The Indian Defense Minister’s admission last week that his country is in an arms race with China speaks volumes of India’s intention to establish itself as a regional hegemony; or counter another global ‘rising empire.’ Defense Minister A.K. Antony was quoted saying: “just as what China is doing, we are also trying to strengthen our capabilities.”
India has issues with all her neighbors; China, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and Nepal. But it is not only border issues with China that’s keeps New Delhi excited. I agree with A.K. Antony’s assessment that in spite of “occasional troubles”, India wants to resolve its issues with Beijing only through negotiations. But I read his statement knowing Indo-Sino border dispute is rather permanently intractable and 13 bilateral talks have yet to yield anything meaningful.
Of course India does not want to wage war against China and for that matter other perceived regional foes. But conflict with China has been making headlines lately and it reflects the popular mood as well. Indians will not forget the1962 war and understand that the border dispute is still unresolved. But there is also an envious, competitive India that is unwilling to allow China to become “the most powerful nation” in the next 3-4 decades. My Indian friends frequently send me emails arguing how India can surpass China in economic and technological growth. Of course military prowess goes with it.
As you may have noticed from my previous opinion pieces I think a hawkish Indian media is fueling a false sense of national pride and aggression and it shows: the Pew Global Attitudes Survey claims that 47 percent of Indians have negative feelings about China. And, 62% of Indians consider China’s growing military power a “bad thing” and 45% of them rated China’s growing economy the same way.
You can argue that this distrust is historical. But if you look through the archives of Pew Global Attitudes Survey you will find that this situation was substantially different in 2002- when Indian TV channels had not mushroomed all over the place. Although India appears ‘soft’ on Tibet these days but issues such as separate visas for residents of Kashmir trigger such hysteria that peace seems rather semantic.
India and the United States are both equally concerned about China’s growth. Indian TV journalists and analysts are constantly talking about how China will match, if not supersede the weight and potential of the US by 2050. Some Indians argue that it will be sooner. This is one issue of convergence for the American empire and it’s regional associate; India.
I talked to Prof. Noam Chomsky last week and India’s ‘complicated’ foreign policy came up. I agree with Professor that India’s foreign policy is rather complex but on many issues including China there is complete convergence of opinions between India and the US. We should not forget that Pakistan – even at points in history when it was a complete proxy of the United States maintained independent relations with China. Not only did Pakistan open the back door diplomacy channels between China and the United States but also maneuvered China’s entry in the United Nations.
And, despite all good mannered statements from Foreign and Defense ministries, Indo-Sino conflict along 3,500 km border is heating up. Recently the Indian Air Force chief, Fali Homi Major, called China “certainly a greater threat than Pakistan.” He is correct: China is no Pakistan. Indian diplomats have to mind their language, diplomatic manners when talking about China. They cannot ridicule and bully China the way they have treated Pakistan.
And, unlike Pakistan where the Indian government tries to be a mirror image of popular opinion- on Chinese issue these same Indian representatives are much more ‘stately.’
Watch a portion of my interview with Prof. Chomsky:
October 4th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Indians are afraid of China. Pakistan should use its China relations to negotiate with India because America is on India’s side.
October 4th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Total rubbish. china can’t protect pakistan. India is the mighties nation in asia. No one can match our sucess.
October 4th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
@vejay:I think Vejay’s comment is a classic example of all fart and no shit. Too much patriotism I suppose, but it’s more important to look at things realistically. By the way, I too am Indian.
As for Mohammad’s comment, I do think that it’s highly inaccurate. But you’re entitled to have your opinion.:)
October 4th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
i ttly agree wid u vejay..pakistan cant do anything..and what do think mr. mohd ali?? Jus China’s support wil b enough for u to fight against India??? U still in ur dreams..Allah sirf sacchaee ka sath dete hai…
October 4th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
china supersedes the indian might.it doesn’t require an iq of 150 to get that.
its thrice the size of india in territory and more than double in military.
but when it comes to a war, no power can topple another.
India can’t win a full fledged war against china on its own,but even if left to itself – would be sufficient to shatter china’s economy apart.
The same can be said about war with pakistan.
Pakistan ,to speak objectively ,would lose-but the victorious side will pay a heavy price for it.
Is all this so hard to see?
October 4th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
I feel somehow US used Pakistan’s help till it could squeeze the last bit of whatever it needed from Pakistan, and now it has turned its attention towards India, because India like China is growing at a rapid pace and US wants the market share of both the countries wealth.
As we know the only thing they(US) are good at making is defense items and it will sell to both the countries and sort of make sure they use them, so US can sell more.
If, South Asia were to form a nexus(which is a big dream), then South Asia can command rest of the world in every manner, which will not be acceptable to the rest of the world.
War, if at all, will be thrust upon India and China… neither side will win…both countries will use up their reserves to buy weapons at premium rates to ensure false sense of superiority.
October 4th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
What we know about prevalent issues related to India, China and Pakistan are often sort of “taught” or “spoon-fed” to us by the media. And media often is just a propaganda agent of their respective governments and , I would date to go upto this extent, their respective business lobbies (US oil cos. are examples)
Common people in these countries will feel and say things purely propagated by intense patriotism,inaccurate information and emotion. And, for a nation like Pakistan, religious extremism makes it even more intense.
In my humble view issues are beyond these which common people may not even have thought about.
This little piece by Ibrahim Sajid Malick also smells of biasness against India. How can some individual interpret what the defece minister of some nation is trying to say something and is polite with the neighbour who is stronger in military and economic might.He even goes on to talk about the 1962 war..!!
War is but a word that is generated in the mind of a blind patriot.
Mr Malick no matter how erudite and well-researched you think your piece is, it still shows that at the end of the day you will just compare the nations in terms of the military might which is like thinking like a school-bully.
At the end of the day,issues are much more complicated that being polite and diplomatic, going to war, be a religious extremist and so on and so forth and at this I would agree one hundred percent with Rahul “china supersedes the indian might.it doesn’t require an iq of 150 to get that”
So Mr Malick you did not have to “research” so hard to write this piece.
I wont even comment on people like Mohammad and Vejay.
October 4th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
After watching Noam Chomsky’s interview by Ibrahim Sajid Malick, I see India and China conducting business under US influence in Asia. Some conflicts between the two could be resolved peacefully, perhaps. It could take until the reduction of US as super-power because of shrinking economy, that Chinese and Indians would see the danger of military spending and dominance.
October 4th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
we can’t possibly compare the military capabilities, intelligence services, economic etc, of China to India’s. it’s pretty obvious whos gonna walk out of a war of that kind unharmed. matter of fact the military hardware of India is nearly close to that of Pakistan’s otherwise Pakistan wouldn’t have been a trouble to India all this time with it’s dying economy. India has a long way to go to catch up China’s massive growth in all aspects, not to forget Russia that is a traditional ally of China.
October 4th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Here is why India should not be compared with China – India plays junior league while China is playing professional game
1. GDP comparison: China’s GDP is almost 3 times of India’s, that’s about the gap that exists between US and China.
2. Olympic sports medal count: you probabl already know well what the differences are.
3. Olympic math ranking and medal count: if you don’t already know, China usually tops the game, while India roams around 40th, far behind Viet Nam.
4. Space Technology: China is pretty much among the 1st tier club with US and Russia: manned space program, space walk, ASAT, etc. India shows none in this area.
5. Moon Exploration: India should be proud of their successful launch of the moon orbiting satellite, but remember also that their launch was more one-year after Japan and China launched theirs.
6. Life Expentancy: check out UN’s web pages.
7. Literacy level: check out UN’s web pages.
October 4th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Pak-China dosti- what do you smoke? care to share with rest of us so all halucinate with you. India is more power technologicaly- all IT comes from India NOT China. We speak English NOT China. China has more poverty and no hope for poor. don’t compare dirty communist with pious capitalist.
and china is no friend of pakistan. you are china’s dog. that is it.
October 4th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
In India we have freedom and we are the fastest growing economy in the world. U Pakis cant have anything because you don’t have freedom. hahahaha. U chineeeeee lovers..lol…you will soon be ruled by china
All official data that China releases are wrong. They live in a closed world.
October 4th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Noam Chomsky is an outright idiot. He is against our ally- Israel. All Indians shoudl denounce him. I never liked this guy to be honest. He seems completely retarded when it comes to matters of actual importance. This guy claims to be an intellectual who basks in the radiance of logic but I fail to see any sound logic in his thought process.
Whether he is simply stupid or something more sinister is for you decide………..I’ll say this, he makes Maoists look like die hard truth activists in comparison and that, well, that just ain’t right man…..
October 4th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Russia is an idealogical ally of China Mr Jim. It has been an ally of India since India’s independence. Probably the main reason for that is arms and warfare sales…!! Nonetheless, I do agree with you that China is superior to India in terms of warfare. But to make statements like “it’s pretty obvious who’s gonna walk out of a war of that kind unharmed” is a sign of NAIVE thinking. Something that has been taught to you by some over-zealous TV journalist. No state walks out “unharmed” of any kind of war.Be it intelligence, economics or the literal WAR. And then comparing India’s warfare capabilities with Pakistan?? Well, I am no expert of warfare capabilities but I do not know where did you get that information from. Do you have any trustworthy data to support that?
Pak-China Dosti Zindabad is another example of the media led blindness.What DOSTI mate? China supports Pakistan militarily and financially which US too has been doing since 1950..!! So what? To use emotional words like DOSTI clearly show how much emotion has taken over sanity and logic. And it is precisely this emotion in which Pakistan’s and India’s leaders want all of us to live in.Not to mention China’s.
I fully agree with Ashwin Mehta where he mentions about US selling arms to India and Pakistan.
At the end of the day it is all about money honey..!
October 4th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
geopolitics- nationalism in itself evokes emotion. are you suggesting we stop being a ‘nation state’ or do you want to deny us the basic emotion of patriotism?
Mumbai-rocks: I have never heard anyone speak so disrespectfully of Prof. Noam Chomsky. Yes, he supports right of self-determination for people of Palestine and Kashmir. Does that make him an idiot?
October 4th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Mujahid,
I am not suggesting anything to anyone.It is just a matter of viewing the grey areas of things rather than just think in black and white of nationalism,religion and WAR. It is good to be a nationalist but it is always naive to believe in everything that any nation’s media and government tells. What happened with German patriotism during WW-2? OK it WAS patriotism but it was totally directed towards German superiorty and Jew hatred. Result millions of people were brutally killed.
Think about this kind of patriotism too..!
October 4th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
I donot know why indians are so much concerned with its regional countries growth..Yes they have right to look around whts going on but despite of doing this they cross the borders and starts begin to criticize on issues which are totally irrelevant to their policies.
India has been more casual with pakistan since last few years..May b coz of their media support but with china its a different ball game.Infact present indian government has been accused of being soft on the issue of rising chinese aggressiveness vis-a-vis.Indian PM has blamed the media for blowing the border row issue out of proportion.I think india shud nt forgt the humilitating defeat at the hands of china in 1962 border war and more important thing is that government of india is still treats the report as a classified document and have no concrete reason from not making it public after so many years.
October 4th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
India’s intentions to establish itself as a regional hegemony? India follows a minimal credible deterrance policy and until recently had not even bothered militarizing its long border with China. Only after China’s open and aggressive views on the issue being made public, has India started stepping up its forces on the border.
Maybe you dont remember its China and Pakistan who started the war in 62 and 71 respectively. Maybe India is well justified when its strengthening its defense seeing as both China and Pakistan are open threats to it.
And to correct some of the ‘facts’, Russia is only an ideological ally of China, and in all other aspects a clear competitor. I concur dosti means friends and surely Pakistanis are laboring under an illusion if they believe the Chinese are friends. China is only using them as a weapons market and also to destabilize India.
All said and done, China is yes stronger in every aspect when compared to India. BUT, if there is ever a war between the two asian giants, there is going to be no victor. Technically one of them may win the war, but the cost will be so great it will be no victory. or should you say pyrrhic victory.
Its surprising how many educated people on both sides make ridiculous statements in the heat of passion. Wonder how aggressive and illogical the lesser educated common people in these countries must be.
October 4th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
@Junaid:
When you say India is too concerned about its neighbours, dont you think you are in fact being over concerned about India?
Maybe you should remember your humiliating defeat in 71 at the hands of India and the Kargil fiasco before trying to remind India of a defeat thats half a century old.
October 5th, 2009 at 12:22 am
Baba ibrahim u sound like a camel whos moves r un-predictable
but body langauge always proves constipant with full of conspiracies
October 5th, 2009 at 3:57 am
hey guys as an indian i know that within 20 years india will be a superpower which i am proud about ,we must have good relations with our neighbours but also be militarily strong to defend ourselves from those forces who try to defeat us,having lived in the states for ten years i have some good chinese friends (i have moved back to india now) ,love is a strong potent and people are people ,i dont like warmongers (hawks) live and let live and spread love and prosperity around
October 5th, 2009 at 5:25 am
Dear All; No country on the map of the world can attack and control another sovereign state. To be precise, in today’s scenario it is almost impossible to destroy a nation and control its territory. We can take a few examples from the recent past. US could not control Vietnam. USSR failed to capture Afghanistan and it again in doll drums in Afghanistan.
Weapons, as powerful as atomic bombs, can not prove to be solution of the problems among states. We should better follow the policy of mutual co-existence. China cannot attack Indian. India cannot afford to attack Pakistan and vice versa. Let advocate an end to arms race in the region. All the countries in South Asia are powerful and cannot be defeated. As far as the prospect of India becoming a super power is concerned… off course it can become one, but if and only if it resolves conflicts with its neighbors through dialogue.
What about Pakistan? “India is not US and Pakistan not Afghanistan,” ex-president of Pakistan Musharraf says. In other words, the conflict between two would only lead to destruction, no one can be victorious.
October 5th, 2009 at 6:25 am
President Musharaff was right. India is no US. But, India is America’s number 1 ally. India is willing to sell her soul to America because India is now ruled by greedy corporate interest. There was a time when it was fashionable to be progressive in India. Now even youth looks down upon socialist because every slumdog wants to be a millionaire.
China is growing very fast and increasing influence in Asia and Africa. Because China has so much control over Pakistan that is why US is working with India to control that. it is very simple. it is not about pakistan or india. it is all about china.
October 5th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Junaid you should apply for a job in the CIA as it seems you have access to many “classified documents” of nations like India.
Again I see bias here.Bias against a country which you think is your country’s (I am assuming you are a Pakistani) enemy. Well it is very very easy for an Indian to blame Pakistan for all the issues that are visible to a common man and vice-versa for a Pakistani.
No one can argue over China’s economic and military might. But any war between two nations in the modern world would hit the economy so bad that it would be dang hard to recover. Refer Fawad Ali’s comments.
Forget about a war between Asian giants like India and China which is going to destroy the economies of both these countries though of course China will achieve,as Waisenkind said, a Pyrrhic victory.
Assuming Pakistan is not a part of this war (which is highly doubtful assuming a war does happen between India and China) it will still hit Pakistan badly because of the economic damage incurred by China.
So Mr Junaid, there is going to be no “humiliation” for any particular country. It is just going to murder of countless men and most likely common citizens of both countries which is a humiliation for humanity.
Abdullah, seems to be knowledgeable when he indicates that US is trying to control Pakistan. Well, but the explanations given by him seems to be biased again. “Corporate greed” haan??”Sell her soul” ?? Its funny how people can used these words as if they are experts on any nation’s internal matters. In my humble view things are much more complex than what your little mind would even be able to imagine. You are right US does want to have some control over the growing giant that China is. Not to mention the huge debt US govt has to pay to China. But saying things like “sell her soul” and all that stuff, well its BS. US cos. invest in a markets where they can sell. They do the same in Pakistan and they do the same in China..!!! Most of the US car companies are present in China and I have seen Chinese people driving cars like GM, Ford and Buick. Has China too sold its soul to US?
It globalization my friend it not the medieval times where souls could be sold. Guess you still live in those medieval times and may be thinking of killing someone who has an opinion or may be does not believe in your religion.
October 5th, 2009 at 9:05 am
@abbas: bhai jaan khawab nahi dekhte indian China and Pakistan will remove india in 2015 so how could india be a superpower.huh there 150 active terrorism movement which are doind terrorinsm openly..huh..huh
October 5th, 2009 at 9:07 am
@abbas: bhai jaan khawab nahi dekhte China and Pakistan will remove india in 2015 so how could india be a superpower.huh there 150 active terrorism movement which are doing terrorinsm openly like mumbai attack waghera …huh
October 5th, 2009 at 9:09 am
india will remove in 2015 so could India be super power?
October 5th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Nawal Butt, your thinking powers seem to be residing in your last name. LOL.
So you know of 150 terrorist groups operating in India. Well I am sure by this time FBI must be looking around for you after your comment was traced. And in no time you will be arrested.
But I am sure this is not the case.You are still there imagining stuff that is creation on an ignorant and bigoted mind (Butt..!!)
October 5th, 2009 at 9:44 am
geopolitics- I am an Indian until Kashmir becomes an independent nation. So, yes I can speak for India too. I understand that the continuing border dispute between India and China and China’s rapid growth in military power creates anxieties about the future relationship. China’s aggressive foreign policy postures also do not encourage a benign view of it. There are enough strategic thinkers in India who reckon China to be the major future threat to India.
As per corporate greed- it is not only rhetoric: it is real. Just look around if you live in India and you will find class disparities breaking all past records.
October 5th, 2009 at 9:46 am
geopolitics- cheap shot on Mr. Butt’s last name. Very childish…
October 5th, 2009 at 10:04 am
The best way to win a war is not to wage one at all. At the end of the war the loser suffers a lot and the winner lives to suffer more… None of the asian countries would start a WAR…
October 5th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Abdullah,
It is sort of disturbing when you say that you are an Indian until Kashmir is an independent nation.Why don’t you just migrate to the so-called Azaad Kashmir on the other side of the PoK until the Kashmir which is on the Indian side is “liberated”. Why live in India in the so called “corporate greed” and call yourself an Indian?
Well, I have lived in India, China and in the US. So I can tell you about the corporate greed better.It is everywhere my friend…!! More so in China.
Some Chinese small scale trading cos. will even send young girls who act as sales representatives to befriend you , have a drink with you and even sleep with you, just when they know that you are visiting China for business. They are dang aggressive sellers much more than any Indians or Americans..!
And well China is a threat to India and India is a threat to China and Pakistan is a threat to India and India is the biggest threat to Pakistan.
There are so many threats to all of us my friend.
What you are telling about rapid military growth and all just seems to be the exact language used by any media-person or to use a respectful word “a journalist”, it may be true may be not. Media often tries to make common people fearful so that the keep on trusting the present rulers as their protectors, buy more products for their safety (like guns in the US) and so on and so forth.
In my humble view it is high time all of us adopted a very very cynical attitude towards today’s media and what our respective governments tell us.Most of this is propaganda and conspiracy theories..! I believe 26/11 is an example of this propaganda. I wouldn’t even deny the role of Indian leaders in 26/11.
October 5th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Abdullah- yeah that was a cheap-shot.But what Mr Butt said was nonsensical as well. Do not be biased when you judge those people’s comments that reflect a different opinion than that of those which seem to be similar to yours.
October 5th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
geopolitics- i used to live in the US and whenever my local friends did not agree with me they will tell me to go live somewhere else. Not in Kashmir – this is my land and you can take India out of here. I am not alone. More than 90 percent of people living here want their divided state to become an independent country.
i agree indian media spreads hatred and fear. i agree our government plays in the hand of so called public opinion. but you and i can have civil conversation. india should not freak out if China is giving us visa that looks different.
October 5th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Geopolitics, the best way to remove the prospect of war remains the removal of the bone of contention. There has never been a better time than the present to take cooperation between India and China to the levels they are capable of reaching. The need of the time is to formally and finally resolve the disputes between the two giant sized states. The conflicts of the past between China and India were not of nations but between states following different policies to secure themselves. Now that the two states are in a better environment of “Realist-Idealist” mix, specific measures can be looked at. The border dispute should now be formally and finally settled. This will need accommodation from both sides and that should not be an insurmountable problem given the new circumstances. The larger issue of weapons rivalry between the two states and through either of them into the region is another issue which requires urgent attention. If these two vexing issues are taken in hand, the way ahead in the 21st Century would be free from the compulsions of the past and pave the way to a stable future. If that is achieved, the military perspective which so dominated the India-China relations in the last 50 years would be balanced by the larger contexts of economy, trade, and international cooperation. China and India would then be partners in providing a lead through the principles of Panchsheel and in moving the world away from military conflicts.
October 5th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
i want to say this to those who think we indians are afraid of china or any other country, WE LOVE PEACE, till someone don’t mess with us, or else, history knows none could capture India, As for techs and all, may be china is more improved than India, but when it comes to war, it does not take much time in TURNING THE TABLES.
And those who think china with pak, or soething like that, pls be realistic, everybody thinks about themselves first.
Personally i think why do people fight over internet, its because they can’t do anything, just came and said, we will kill u or something like that, come on guys, Why to war??
Do u know what it takes to have a war??
Do u know about them who lose their lives, whose family lose their sons.
U know i hate wars!!
Infact i never fight, its like that i don’t start fight, but yes i can end it, till my breath is in my lungs.
So i think that makes clear y we stay calm!!!!!
Peace and Love friends(I MEAN EVRYBODY WHO RESPECT PEACE AND LOVE).
Buri nazar walo ka muh kala!!!
And rest may go to hell and fcuk themselves!!! u know what i mean.
Peace and Love…….
October 5th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
To those who think FREE KASHMIR is the best option, i wanna know how long will they be free once India leaves them??
I’m not much into these discussions, but i think pakistan or china will be using them, and tell me Kasmiri friends, would u be living with terrorists??
will that suit u??
would that be a good life?
i have heard of the bad behaviours done on kashmiri peoples, even some my friends are kashmiris, they told me, but i think free kashmir is not the solution, First of all India won’t leave it, secondly even India does, i dnt think personally Kashmir be free for very long.
Believe me, whatever is kashmir’s reality, won’t be hidden for too long, truth comes out, and when it does, it makes things right.
PEOPLE, PLEASE COME OUT FROM THE BLINDNESS OF HATRED, SPREAD PEACE AND LOVE, THESE FRUSTRATED TERRORISTS ARE EATING THEMSELVES AS WELL AS US!!!
PEACE AND LOVE FRIENDS..
October 5th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Ha ha ha..! Abdullah, at least I am not freaking out if you are getting a Chinese visa as an Indian-before-Kashmir-is-liberalized which is different from that of an Indian. But is it not strange that you do not need a visa to travel to India?
Personally, my view is a bit of idealistic in the sense that I really do not believe in separate states based on religion,race,language or culture.
I believe in law of averages as in , if say out of 90 % of Kashmiris who support an independent state 50% (a very high number I suppose) have a high level of IQ and independent thinking ability then that independent thinking ability does not really come into picture when a so called leader tries to manipulate the majority thinking .Because the other 50% with lower IQs will give you an average of low IQ per individual which always makes things easier for that leader.
Well from a very humane point of view if it is really in the benefit of Kashmiri people to have an independent state then I am totally in support of this idea. But I highly doubt that this will be the case.Not saying that not being independent gives them a better life. But just drawing example from the independence of India where people like Nehru ruled ,and they have literally made this country a dynastic-democracy, and promised a state which would be far better off without British rule.
I really dont care where someone like you lives: Azaad Kashmir , Pakistani Kashmir or Indian Kashmir or in India. But personally calling yourself an Indian until Kashmir is liberated is sort of disturbing.You really need an independent state to get rid of this confused identity
And I really do not care what land belongs to whom.Your land, my land are all emotional words which clearly show how corporate media and politics shape the way we think. At the end of the day if the common man in Kashmir (or India or Pakistan) is able to provide for his family and loved ones that what’s I believe liberalization-of-mankind would be.
Vikram – what you said makes sense. But it seems highly impractical. War like situation too is something that is an effort to create panic among people and to fuel false sense of patriotism. And the ideal economic balance and co-operation (in absence of political tension) between India and China is not possible in the way you are describing at least in the near future. In my humble opinion, Kashmir issue, Indo-China border issue are far too important politically and strategically for the politicians for all the three nations that no immediate resolution of these issues is possible.
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State of utopia was only possible when a GOD ruled over people. And you and I were not even there to see it so I do not even know if that was real
October 5th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Joke : India Vs Pakistan ,Nuclear war
The Pakistan army decides to launch a nuke-missile towards India.
They don’t need any permission from their government(actually such a thing does not exist in Porkistan), and promptly order the countdowns.
Indian technology is highly advanced.
In less than 8 seconds, Indian army detects the Pak Countdown and decides to launch a missile in retribution.
But they need permission from the Government of India.
They submit their request to the Indian President. The President forwards it to the Cabinet.
The Prime Minister calls an emergency Lok Sabha session. The LS meets, but due to several walkouts and severe protests by the opposition, it gets adjourned and adjourned indefinitely.
The President asks for a quick decision.
In the mean time, the Pak missile failed to take off due to technical failure.
Their attempts for a re launch are still on.
Just then the Indian ruling party is reduced to a minority because a party that was giving outside support withdraws it.
The President asks the PM to prove his majority within a week.
As the ruling party fails to win the confidence vote, a caretaker government is installed.
The caretaker PM decides to permit the armed forces to launch a nuclear missile.
But the Election Commission says that a caretaker government can not take such a decision because elections are at hand.
A Public Interest Litigation is filed in the Supreme Court alleging misuse of power by the Election Commission.
The Supreme Court comes to the rescue of the PM, and says the acting PM is
authorized to take this decision in view of the emergency facing the nation.
Just then one of the Pak missiles successfully took off, but it fell 367 miles
away from the target, on its own government building at 11.35AM.
Fortunately there were no casualties as no employee had reached the office that early.
In any case, the nuclear core of the missile had detached somewhere in flight.
The Pakistan army is now trying to get better technologies from China and USA.
The Indian Government, taking no chances, decides to launch a nuclear missile of its own, after convening an all-party meeting.
This time all the parties agree.
Its three months since the Pak army had started the nuclear war.
But as Indian preparations begin, “pro-humanity” and “anti-nuclear” activists come out against the Government’s decision.
Human chains are formed and Road Rail Blockades are organized.
In California and Washington endless e-mails are sent to Indians to stop the war condemning the Indian government and mentioning “Please forward it to as many Indians as possible”.
On the Pakistan side, the missiles kept malfunctioning. Some missiles deviate from target due to technical failures or high-speed wind blowing over Rajasthan.
Many of them land in the Indian Ocean killing some fishes.
Pakistan had enough of it’s own technology.
A missile (smuggled from USA) is pressed into service.
Since the Pakistan army is unable to understand its software, it hits its original destination: Russia. (The smuggled missile was an old one made during the cold war times)
Russia successfully intercepts the missile and in retaliation launches a nuclear missile towards Islamabad.
The missile hits the target and creates havoc.
Pakistan cries for help. India expresses deep regrets for what has happened and sends in a million dollars worth of Parle-G biscuits.
Thus India never gets to launch the missile.
Pakistan never gets it right.
And
we live happily ever after!!!!
Keep Smiling.
Jai Hind……………
October 5th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
For those who don’t know about Parle-G biscuits. This is the great biscuit of India. Indian Urchins grow up by eating it.
October 5th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Geopolitics, what do u think about my views, and pls justify ur answer
October 5th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
TUM SUB KI BEHN KI CHOOOOOOT U BLOODY INDIANS
October 5th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
pakistan india ki bhen hai mc malik
October 6th, 2009 at 2:25 am
kyun malik? tum pakistanio ki behn ka patila hota hai? Chooooot to phat ke char ho gayi hoti hai!!
October 6th, 2009 at 6:39 am
interesting…how an interesting discussion turns into farce. now it seems that everyone has lost sight of the actual issue that mr malick raised thanks to the anti-pak and anti-india passions. only if we could all mind our own businesses and channelize this passion to progress…
carry on folks!!! nice read
October 6th, 2009 at 11:18 am
arsal:- u r 100% right thst if these 2 stataes become closer to each other they can b most important nation in the world but who is hindering the way to b so india or pak??? to b friend the most important is to have confidence that is defficient between these 2 countries n wat u think a country havr midrub in his hand can b friend of others. u shouod mind it that kasmir is carotid artries for apk as river from kasmir acts to b artries for lanf of pakistna if we ignore kasmir means we ignore our circulation system n it will ruin pak tomorow or two years after or 200 years . .but as far kasmir s` importance for india is concerned then mind it that kashmir is just a piece of land for india but matter of life for pakistna, as land cant b survive without the water resources.geographically Kashmir cant b aparted from Pakistan if we do so we r weakening pak forever. so the party making the partner weak can not b friend of 2nd. 1st of all disputed please b solved out then these weapon ll become useless, war ll b dream, n prosperity ll b in real form in the lives of bot countries.@Ashwin Mehta: @Ashwin Mehta:
October 6th, 2009 at 11:22 am
- u r 100% right thst if these 2 stataes become closer to each other they can b most important nation in the world but who is hindering the way to b so india or pak??? to b friend the most important is to have confidence that is defficient between these 2 countries n wat u think a country havr midrub in his hand can b friend of others. u shouod mind it that kasmir is carotid artries for apk as river from kasmir acts to b artries for lanf of pakistna if we ignore kasmir means we ignore our circulation system n it will ruin pak tomorow or two years after or 200 years . .but as far kasmir s` importance for india is concerned then mind it that kashmir is just a piece of land for india but matter of life for pakistna, as land cant b survive without the water resources.geographically Kashmir cant b aparted from Pakistan if we do so we r weakening pak forever. so the party making the partner weak can not b friend of 2nd. 1st of all disputed please b solved out then these weapon ll become useless, war ll b dream, n prosperity ll b in real form in the lives of bot countries.@Ashwin Mehta: @Ashwin Mehta: @geopolitics:
October 6th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Dear Mr. Malick,
What’s the point of leaving the conversation open to people? Everyone just gets nasty and there is no real conversation, just jingoism. It’s almost pointless. Both Indians and Pakistanis get downright stupid in their arguments.
I suggest only those comments that are not abusive and have a real point to make should be posted, and the rest moderated.
Siddharth,
New Delhi.
October 6th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Why waste time with this article really? Mr MAllick’s tone in this post sounds very familiar, the types you hear on PTV over and over again. India bullies pakistan?? now come on! how much more ridiculous can this get?
Now for some more constructive reading …
October 6th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
I agree with Ashwin. We are belaboring some constructive point of views here but at the end of the day PTV rules…!!!
Its hard for people from India or Pakistan to see reality really. Thats why I called it a systematic brainwash.
October 7th, 2009 at 1:23 am
media has and will continue to be propaganda machinery…lets face it, u cant do a thing about that. and real honest journalism is a thing of the past…its all about easy money for corporation run media houses.
what bothers me is that we spend so much time and effort in pseudo-patriotism when it comes to pak-china-kashmir issue. how many of us really care about it genuinely? its materialism that we crave. should another war break out, how many of us would volunteer to pick up a gun and fight or for that matter even treat the injured in the hospitals? i think, if u r really a patriot, there are far more significant things that you can do for your country. south asia always has been and will continue to be a 3rd world country…forget about the GDP growth and stock exchange indices and nuclear stockpile. ask your heart, look around and you will know its a fact. our politicians – dictators and democrats alike – need to keep a sense of tension alive to continue to hold on to their power base. in any case, there are people paid enough to worry about geopolitics. let them do their job instead of us neighbor-bashing while we spit on the roads, speak stupid english, make irrelevant comments, become jihadis or shiv sainiks, make a fool of ourselves and subject the people from the entire region to criticism, racial abuse and smirk from rest of the world. ridiculous!
October 7th, 2009 at 3:45 am
Dont Call Mujahidiens of Kashmir as terrorist. Jihad is pillar of Islam. And all Muslims in World agrree with Jihad In Kashmir And Palistine. If someone speaks against Jihad, remember, he is speaking against ISLAM and MUHAMMAD(S.A.W). Be careful, before speaking some thing about jihad.
October 7th, 2009 at 6:24 am
Excellent MD..! I agree with you 100%. Aqib Khan is the best example of the ignorance and the blindess in which today’s leaders want people to be in..!
October 7th, 2009 at 9:00 am
I think Indians need to be taught a lesson and disintegrated for good. For this purpose all of India’s neighbors: Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka and China should rid this pool of genetic garbage once and for all.
October 7th, 2009 at 10:42 am
@Pak-China Dosti Zindabad: Pakistan and China are Friends??
China is Using Pakistan Folks!
India is not Simply called WORLDS No.1 DEMOCRACY, The development of India is Well ahead that of China(ask the Chinese who are tied by ropes of communism)… and Pakistan; Uh dont compare to a nation who doesn’t know who is ruling them, poor Pakistanis… my Sympathies are with them…
October 7th, 2009 at 10:54 am
I live in India, It is my Country!
My Unkle lives in Kashmir, he never had any Problems!!!
I Celebrate Id and Offer Namaz regularly…
I also enjoy Diwali with my Hindu friends and Christmas with my Christian Friends!!
I am an Indian Muslim… and I’m proud to be an Indian!!!
JAI HIND!!!
October 7th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
mr, ms (or whatever) nuff…why dont u just do it – get rid of the genetic garbage that is – instead of just writing about it?
one potential problem with your endevor, you see is, when you use the term ‘genetic garbage’, you no longer restrict yourself to direct your frustration to a country but its people. now this genetic garbage has spread far and wide, to every corner of the globe. i think you will need a little more holistic approach than just involving india’s neighbors. and btw, you might have to keep an united front; given the fact that each of these countries have such tumultuous state of affairs domestically, uniting yourselves with your next door neighbor may be the biggest challenge you will face.
however, wish you the very best of luck with your mission. hope to see indians obliterated from the face of the earth in…umm, say about…umm…in the next few millenia?
October 7th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
@Mohammad Ali: I dont what to say. Well there are a lot of negatives about china too we should not ignore it. China is a Iron Curtain country we only know what they show us. It does have weaknesses such as its poverty, extereme use of resources and destruction to environment. About the Olympic games I would well done but I think its too expensive down under it will pay a big price for this show off and savage use of wealth. China has many internal conflicts which it yet has to resolve we only see the canthanese part of china not the deteriorating mandarin part. Every year china’s gobi desert extends as big as Texas(know UN fact) this will hit china in the longer run.Do not forget the russians for they do love india for which they even have a great political history with india.Europe America do depend on inida for a lot of skilled labour which would creat crisis in the west if india is harmed India is of great importance to many countries as it does not pose a authorative and bully like behaviourism india’s foreign policies always have a peacefull dialogue and countries tend to choose india in many cases with respect to china. On the other hand china showing all good statistcs does not mean it could bully its way out. Today i due the love of our nuclear bombs there is restraint in active war like behaviour there are many dialogue processes before you can attack a country like india. china on the other hand could even make india an ally irrespective of the border issue in future they might even resolve the issue does’nt to whom the small piece of land goes to as long as harmony prevails and countries use their resources for development rather than destruction.As for the knuckle head religious fundamentalist slow down your role the whole world is not just pakistan. Pakistan is just a piece of barren land hold a little military significance for the US which uses it like pimp for it day today military expeditions in the middle east. and for the terrorist group even though i dont know much about them a few bomb blast in year does not kill whole of india it is there to stand we have a very constructive government unlike uncivilised and illiterate pakistani government which caannot even protect a few cricket players(srilankan cricket team) what will you defend your country it is already infested and answer me with what happened to late benazir bhutto.
Grow up…learn … get literate and dont yap out stuff like 150 terrorist groups because india’s been fighting them since the time of maharaja and sultans to the british and our own curruption and flaws
October 7th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
O_O wow..where the world is going O_O hahaha ..personally i dont care bout…indo-pak-china-o-kashmir…issues..(they are never solving anyway =P )…its jus fun to see comments..of ppl..that are under…emotions..,hatred from ancestors,…some predictions dat even their country’s agencies arent aware of O_O…,yet some under media influence…, some completely DUMB IDIOTS,,..yet others are some EDUCATED IDIOTS =D….,just trying to save their country’s fake pride image. yet leaders are doing their stuff ..aww…….and althought knwing that their rival aint gonna get convinced…*since they are of the same type DUH*…at the end….all of u..making teams..again…saying..ok come try killing us…we will fight bak bla bla bla…O_O..yet some are day dreaming..of peace and love here too O_O…
wats the point????
well yeah there is one…
and that is just dat all u nations and YOU ppl…are doing nothing but
ENTERTAINING THE REST OF THE WORLD…:)
now some freaks are gonna come up wid…their ONLY-TRUE-REST-ALL-LIES…INFO…
yet some are gonna post some real emotional shit…proving themselves a lil more DUMB-yet-BLINDFOLDED than ever..even silently telling..from which…socities…you belong *nations are far away for u ppl to talk about…who got hundreds of socities..parties..rivalry..yet calling themselves nations..hahaha..yeah rite…PATRIOTS!!!*
well i jus wanna let ya all ppl knw..how good you are all doing…and are never gonna stop anyways..
so me and the rest are enjoying
oh!
lemme get some popcorn
October 7th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
ha ha ha.. Mr or Mrs or Whatever (I liked the “Whatever” part the most) Nuff.
You seem to be having dreams of becoming Adolf Hitler of the 21st century.
Will you use nuclear technology to clean this genetic garbage? Will it be possible for you to eliminate over hundred billion people within your life-time? That would be nice isnt it if you could? Nice thoughts by the way but are mere dreams of an aggressive tyrant which only result in his own doom.
Btw as MD said you will not be limited to cleaning up this mess within Indian subcontinent, you will have to clean-up Latin-American,Mexico and even the US.
May god be with you in your holy endeavours like these.
October 7th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
hahaha becomin hitler n stuff…XD dats nt ma type….even killing billions wont do any good…since….trillion more would born..so no need to kill all the entertainment..anyway =D *talking about the whole world..*…since..ppl..are fightin..with eachother..killin…everyone already…People..are themselves..the hitler of humanity….
oh
some more popcorn
October 7th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
D-Croix – Like the satire here. But cmon man.. there are so many great people sitting here with their powerful and knowledgeable insights about genetic garbage,jehad and stuff. You shouldnt mock them…!!
And yeah, popcorn is on me this time..!
October 7th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Hey Mr.Geopolitics, I read ur all comments. Interesting! Ur comments show ur low political views. Remember we love all indian muslims, and we behave with them as Pakistanis. And keep in mind, We have support of 50% Indian Muslims(those which are ignored due to hindu majorty).Inshallah it is not far when there will be goverment of Muslims in India.
October 7th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Interesting..! Aaqib Khan, so you read all my comments? Thats good..! But instead of wasting your time like this on reading comments and talking about stuff that ONLY your media puts into your little brain you should spend some time and understand how muslims in India are much better educated and having much better standards of living compared to those in Pakistan.Ok forget it , I cant really tell you wats the reality in Pakistan. But can you give me a few examples for successful and rich HINDUs in Pakistan??
But anyway, there is no point in giving you any kind of political views because your view just like many other “programmed” muslims like you is just one :- “Hate people of other religion , because they did something at some point of time in history”.And it is not surprising at all that the other religion expresses the same point of view.Its fire for fire and it never stops.
October 7th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
geo…drop it man. as d-croix says its no more than sheer entertainment. you cant put logic over passion. the article wasn’t so much about pakistan anyways nor about any religion…but as it always has been the case, the conversation keeps changing track when know-it-alls start throwing in their comments. im outta here for good. guess we need to learn to start ignoring them till someone can care to speak sensibly.
d-croix…dry satire isnt really good for health. care for some beer to add some fluidity to your train of thought?
October 8th, 2009 at 6:56 am
geopolitics: You are right Muslims in India are doing very well MashaAllah!, However when a Shahbana Azmi wanted to purchase a property in Delhi’s elite Hindu dominated society, her application was rejected on the basis of her religion (shown the interview on NDTV), this shows the cruel face of your society.
You may be right that here in Pakistan, there are less prominent personalities who belongs to other religion, however, we do not kill non-Muslims like your Hindu-Extremist did with Sikh community in 1984 doomed episode and in 2002 Muslims killing in Gujarat under the influence of state machinery.
A former Rajya Sabha member wrote about Sikhs doomed as:
“My thinking was that after 20 years there would not be much of evidence left to bring the guilty to book and that it would be far better to know the truth. I thought the nation must know why the Hindus, who were so close to the Sikhs religion-wise, took to the streets and cut the Sikhs’ hair, looted and burnt their houses and shops and killed more than 3,000.”
Full story: http://sundaytimes.lk/080106/International/international00001.html
Secondly, I’m afraid you are least informed about India’s internal situation, Nawal Butt has said rightly, and let me add to it; there 175 reported insurgent groups actively working within India who demands for separate state, and fighting for their own version of freedom.
Read More: http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/terroristoutfits/index.html
Finally, you know what, you should be proud to us Muslims because we brought a Rich Culture and Heritage to India in early 1500 century and the monuments (Taj Mahal and many others) you market today as Incredible India was actually a vision of our ancestors which is glorifying India today in 21st century.
October 8th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Border issue so why did pakistan hand over apart of kashmir to pakistan,
China had or is having border issue with 27 countries i think only pakistan has no issue rest all have issue i do think that for world peace it has to again give some land as no one will do to quench its thirst ( FOr time bieng).
October 8th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
TUM SUB KI BEHN KI PHIR CHOOOOOOOT U BLOODY INDIANS
October 9th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
u bloody indians tumhari behn ki chooooot saley COWARD nation
October 14th, 2009 at 7:10 am
I think every one who has been discussing this topic has continently forgotten
than during the second world war China & India nearly lost the war against Japan and Japanese were running parts China for 20 yrs it is because of western help that all of us could get out of the mess.
And now also all the three countries depend on the exports to western countries to prop up their economy if they pull the pug in event of war all of us will be back to stone age.
October 14th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
we as pakistani nation should mature now, international relations are not based on like or dislike for one or another, but what bargaining power we have economically or how cleverly we marketd ourself to the world india is doing both these things effectively irrevelant of what reality is.china and india are treading very carefully regarding their matual relationship and not rushing the things which cn effects their economic progress while not inching away from their respective veiws.we must realize that it is economy which can lead us to a position of some standing in commity of nation and not just hallow jingoism.as a true pakistani my vision is for strong pakistan economically and politacally,but with the system prevailing here we are not going anywhere,basic is to face all these crisis head on for that ruler must first win the confidence of nation.
October 18th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
hey great comments by geopolitics and MD, truly inspiring for those with closed minds
October 20th, 2009 at 11:19 am
@ geopolitics and all others..
(now dont be excited geo, for being pointed out).
What difference are you guys bringing to your respective countries?
How about utilizing this space to make a positive difference in this world. What will you guys get from pointing fingers anyway. How abt sitting together and coming to a conclusion on how to end this misery and hatred. Its been 62 years, its time to forgive and forget…We all need to grow up.
I am tired of the suicide blasts around me..used to having the building shaken whenever there is a blast nearby. quite used to it now. Is this all human? Is it human nature to be blood thirsty?
i dont know who is doing all this, whether the militants are being backed by the Indians raw or the Americans cia..i just dont care anymore..i just want it to end like any other Pakistani..
You guys all should be ashamed of yourself, for not making the world a better place to live in for our future generations…
remember..what goes around..comes around.
Peace.
October 29th, 2009 at 6:22 am
Boy oh boy oh boy!
What a discussion! Its addictive man! This Malick dude must be minting shit loads through those google ads!
What a strategy! India Pakistan blog! ITs giving me some business ideas!
November 12th, 2009 at 7:14 am
CRY FOR HELP FROM PAKISTAN
We are in living Hell, children are dying,blood on the roads flooding, bodies of victims spreading all over the pedestrian paths, siren of ambulances are hoarding, loud cry for help is roaring in the air. These are the cesen of Pakistani streets, markets, and we don’t know how to stop this. We don’t have life any more, we cant go out, we cant shop, our children can’t attend schools, when the caskets are distributing in the schools, we can’t participate in wedding ceremonies, we are dying and we are crying for help.
Every day, every hour, every minute, we are thinking death, eating death, listening death, speaking death, speechless with deaths, buried live under the ground with death, we are waiting for death, we forgot the counts of deaths, forgot the burials, forgot the names of killed and name of the killers,
who are these people? what they want from us?
what we have done to them?
when they will stop killing us brutally?
how to protect?
what to protect first?
come and see how we live? how we eat?
how we watch horrible events unfolding in front of our eyes not on tv, but around us ? what our children feel and talk and ask about that images?
tell us what we can tell them?
we don’t know how to explain?
Is this world for us too?
Is this the world we want to live?
Is this the world we have dream to live and grow older with our children and their children ?
You are all looking and watching, what is happening in Pakistan on your TV screens,? Is that the medals for us to fighting terrorism from the call of you ? For the sake of humanity?
For the freedom of the free world?
Just let you know to be witness to these sacrifices from the Pakistanis and from our Pakistani children’s?
From our women,
From our soldiers ,From our policemen, From our shopkeepers,Our travelers, Our journalists, Our belongings, Our sweet homes, Our dreams, Our future, Our nation , and for all the World.
Before we will die, we will still carry the hope,and courage, belief and believe for your bright tomorrow, and we will be unite, and we will say long live peace….. , long live Pakistan…..
Written by, SYED MASOOD IQBAL& FAIQA BOKHARI and our children of PAKISTAN.
November 13th, 2009 at 9:41 am
my GOD
i READ ALL YHE COMMENTS ABOVE.Geopolitics is quite diplomatic,Krish is really imperassive,vejay have no manners of group discussion,ppl like malik n manan r realy very ridiculus.All the problem is of the false view we all have about being patriotic.Abusing other is not the evidance of our patriotism.War is not the ultimate sollution in any way.The problem is even after a very large time we hv’nt accepted both the countries as neighbours rather enemies for ever.This is the main cause of conflict n 4ever battle.We r nt living in the time where 1 can win a war against the 2nd n rule on bt it is the age of compitition,at the end only the most technologically advanced n politically sound will survive.Mere abusing others we will be just a source of entertainment to ppl like D-criox.
wt u say?
may
November 13th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
@Yatagan
well you have just proved that how much information is available out of a democracy like India and how much is not available from Pakistan.All this puts words in your mouths.
Nevertheless, its all politics.Why would someone start riots and kill people of another religion? Did your little mind think of that?No you wont because the issues are bigger than that in India.
I am not bragging about India or the system.
I am just urging people to understand that media and how our leaders mislead us into believing what exactly they want us to believe in.
and @patriot this is my humble effort to try n explain people that how we are living in a MATRIX.We really dont know wat reality is.
All said and done killing of innocents for whatever reason , be it a war for the rights of some religion or some jehad,is totally unjustified.
November 18th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
@vejay:
You Indians crack me up, do you know why?
Let me be clear Pakistan is a Muslim state and there are around 57 Muslim states in this world or so. India is a Hindu state, there is only one Hindu state and that is India.
India has a larger Armed forces then Pakistan, how ever if that day ever comes when India and Pakistan gets into a full flash war that means a Nuclear WAR! Pakistan will Hit India hard with all the Nukes and So will India.
Pakistan Will destroy India almost completely, But at the same time Pakistan has a chance to be destroyed as well but got a better chance of surviving more then India because of the mountainous terrain.
In the end we Muslims live on!
Where do you Hindus go because of your one Hindu state in this world?
We will destroy your so called existence and your seniors probably know that.
If your government is smart enough, they will never ever try to attack a full scale war against Pakistan. India knows they will get it if even they try it.
Our history shows, Larger numbers don’t win wars, I’m sure it greatly helps but its the strategy and coordination that really counts to win a war.
And we Pakistanis are good at it
PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!
November 18th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Oh yes, Forgot to mention.
And China is not Pakistan either. You Indians mess with China you will get destroyed just by their armed forces because they are far more advanced experienced and wiser when it comes to war then India
November 19th, 2009 at 8:27 am
ha ha ha..!one of the dumbest posts ever by Abbas..!Doesn’t even qualify for a counter-argument.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
@Abbas: I guess you are totally dumb. You are living in fools paradise. China is never going to attack India. Any war between these two nations will be devastating. No doubt India will perish but it will be big jolt for china as well.
As of pakistan, china wont do much to help Pakistan in case an india – Pakistan war breaks out. US was not able to prevent the division of pakistan and moreover Chinese are very clever people. You think Chinese as our best friends? They just use Pakistan to counter India.
Moreover, Pakistan cant even think of war!! It should first think of feeding its people. Indians are develpoing thier economic might and trying to match chinese with the help of US and we pakistanis will never match them especially if we keep on fighting with are own countrymen. Jinnah’s dream nation is long gone. All we can do is to survive and prevent the nation from breaking up like it happened in 71. India is opportunist. They will try to break pakistan as soon as it gets a chance. And this is all because of our own foolishness!
November 27th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
The most used word in India is INDIA.
The most used word in Pakistan is INDIA.
This is the most significant difference among many.
December 1st, 2009 at 11:08 am
@ab:
u lier…
The most used word in India is namaste.
The most used word in Pakistan is assalam alakum.
December 12th, 2009 at 11:53 am
I am an Indian. I have no hesitation in acknowledging that we lost the war against China in 1962. I will even acknowledge that we lost that war very badly. I would agree with our Air Chief F.H. Major that China is a greater threat than Pakistan, even after taking Pakistan’s nuclear capability into account.
But cut to 2009 and the objectives of wars have changed over time. In the event of an all out war, the Chinese may come out victorious against India. But they would come out limping badly. Even if fifty percent of India’s missiles are on target, that would leave a crater in the Chinese economy which might require decades to fill up. And for my Pakistani friends who are joyous at the prospect of riding piggyback on China to a victory against India, just think what would happen if fifty percent of the missiles aimed at China decide to fly to a different direction. India is notorious for her misdirected ballistics.
A war would serve no purpose, not for India, China or Pakistan. China inspite of its muscle flexing knows that better than anyone else. I am sure Pakistan realises that too.
December 29th, 2009 at 1:29 am
Why Indians are so arrogant,just like South Korea?That’s why you two countries are not welcomed in China,especially on the Internet.Just remember you are not America,you have nothing to be proud of!
December 29th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Chinese are smart.Indians and Pakistanis are idiots.