As China and Russia strengthen ties, Indo-Sino ties seem to become more fragile, now feebler than at any other time in last decade. India has amplified its rhetoric against China, and Beijing has been frank in expressing concern over India’s planned Agni-V ballistic missile test. From Arunachal Pradesh to Azad Kashmir, there have been several key instances last week in which Indian foreign policymakers seem to have been unnerved, even alleging China is constructing a dam on the Brahmaputra.
Indians argue that that it will take at least three years before Agni-V becomes operational, since it will require four or five more tests, series production, and user-trials by the armed forces. Indians also claim that the 5,000-km strike range of Agni-V is trifling when compared to China’s DongFeng 31A missile, which can hit targets 11,200 km away. An unnamed official source quoted in Indian newspapers state: “China’s missile and nuclear arsenal is leagues ahead of India, capable as it is of hitting any city in India. We can never compete. Our entire focus is on building only credible minimum deterrence against China, not active offensive capabilities.”
I agree—India can never compete with China, and I don’t understand the logic of building “deterrence” when by its own admission India recognizes it is not in the same league as China. Of course there is always more than meets the eye. Agni-V will be mobile and can be moved closer to the Chinese border on short notice, bringing even China’s northern-most city, Habin, within the missile’s strike envelope.
India is also developing Multiple Independently targetable Re-entry Vehicles (MIRV) warheads for the Agni missiles. An MIRV payload is basically several nuclear warheads carried on a single missile, which can be programmed to hit different targets, independent of each other. In effect, this means that even ballistic missile defense systems can be overwhelmed by MIRVs.
Indians claim this is aligned with their nuclear doctrine, which says, “Nuclear retaliation to a first strike will be massive and designed to inflict unacceptable damage.”
The gravity of this doctrine can be accurately understood when you look at other news items in Indo-Sino relations last week.
Indians have been making a commotion about the Brahmaputra dam and China’s alleged involvement in Azad Kashmir. In November 2006 India and China agreed to establish an Expert Level Mechanism to discuss trans-border river issues in an institutional way. Three meetings have been held so far. The Chinese maintain that there are no plans to build any large scale diversion projects on the Brahmaputra River.
But Indians can’t seem to trust this statement or any other promises from China. Reports from New Delhi claim that the Indian government will “ascertain whether there are recent developments that suggest any change in the position conveyed to us by the government of China.”
When Indian premier Manmohan Singh met Chinese president Hu Jintao on the sidelines of the ASEM summit in Beijing, the two men devoted most of their time discussing the Brahmaputra.
And as if clashes over Agni-V and the Brahmaputra were not enough, Indians have been clamoring about Arunachal Pradesh and Azad Kashmir. India has been critical of China’s development activities in Azad Kashmir, and Indian external affairs ministry spokesman Vishnu Prakash was quoted saying, “We hope that the Chinese side will take a long term view of the India-China relations, and cease such activities in areas illegally occupied by Pakistan.”
During a meeting with Pakistan Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani last week, the Chinese president outlined a major project to upgrade the Karakoram highway, which connects the two countries overland, and coordinated Chinese help in the Neelam-Jhelum hydroelectric project in Kashmir. “Howsoever, the international situation may change. The people of China and Pakistan are always joined in hearts and hands,” Hu said at that time.
India’s Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) also claimed that the State of Arunachal Pradesh is an integral and inalienable part of India. The statement was issued by a Ministry spokesman shortly after China expressed “strong” dissatisfaction over Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s recent visit to Arunachal Pradesh for electioneering.
I can’t keep myself from wondering: Why is India so angst-ridden?
Surely, it cannot be because China has expressed solidarity with Pakistan; after all, Pak-Sino relations reach back through six decades of trust. What is rather interesting—and must also be disconcerting to India— is Russia’s emergent ties with China. It was not long ago that India ditched Russia to draw nearer to the U.S. Until that point, ‘Hindu- Rossi bhai bhai’ was the most popular slogan in India. But things have changed. Both Chinese and Russian media have given extensive coverage to Prime Minister Vladimir Putin’s visit to China on October 12-14, speaking highly of the trip and expressing optimism over the prospects of Russian-Chinese ties.
Last week China and Russia signed 12 agreements, whose total monetary value exceeds $4 billion. The premiers of each country convened to hold their fourteenth regular meeting in Beijing, which included a framework agreement on Russia’s export of natural gas to China, a memorandum of understanding (MOU) on high-speed trains, and an agreement on mutual notification of ballistic missiles and launch of carrier rockets.
The burgeoning dynamics between China-Russia and China-Pakistan are unraveling India, and the New Delhi foreign ministry appears to be in a tail spin.
October 17th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
first of all i would love to address the issue of foreign ministry being in a ‘tail spin’. well, its job of foreign ministry to take care of external affairs either it be border issues with pak or china or a simple agreement on sharing resources with brundi. it has to keep a track on friendships developing around its territory. and i would add that pakistan should learn a bit from here and next time work out things better than they did when the talibanis intruded pakistan to make it their safe haven before the pakistani diplomats got an idea of what hit them !!’
and ofc we would not want to repeat kargil 99 when our prime minister accept invitation of dear neighbors and bearing love of the land and an open heart only to know that the prime minister of pakistan was not in control of military !!
sir, no offence but things work a bit differently this side of border where small works are taken sincerely and not treated as goof ups !!
though if i would like to buy your suggestion for some time…..well we do it for PEACE in the land…..why wouldnt you bother ??
October 17th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
this reply is clearly a biased perspective of an Indian. the region is much bigger than just India my friend. Peace between India and Pakistan is inevitable regardless of immense influence of the man-made-manufactured conflict between them by their own.
October 18th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Sir ji Malick- Pakistan has so many problems and you want to blog about India. Shame of you. Pakistan-China relations are based on hatred for India. Those kind of relations are never long term.
As per China, we have already surpassed them in technology and science we will surpass them militarily as well.
October 18th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
@piyush
In the realm of international relations,national security is a direct derivative of diplomacy.The better ur relations with neighbouring states,the more secure u are.The reason India is madly pursuing its weapons program is tht its on confrontational terms with most of its neighbours.With China,Pakistan n Nepal its got border disputes while with Sri Lanka there is a different issue of Tamil Tigers.Seems like Indian foreign ministry is sitting idle,twiddling its thumbs!!
And wait a minute…how can the Taliban be tamed by Pakistan’s foreign ministry??Come on,savages dont respond to diplomacy!As for the Taliban infiltration..the fact is tht there hasnt really been an infiltration.They hve been there since the Soviet war.Most of them were the Afghan refugees so our govt cudnt possibly hve chased them out.
@vishal
Who said its not a long-term relation??As long as India continues to exist in South Asia,it will continue with its designs n will continue to incur hatred and so this relation…as high as the Himalayas and as deep as the Indian Ocean….will continue to thrive!!Plain logic.
True,India has come a long way in high-tech but it will take quite a while to match up to China militarily.Remember they’re sitting on the largest foreign exchange reserve of $636 trillion.Plus,India is racked by poverty which is why its per capita GDP($1068)is almost as low as Pakistan’s($1013) while China is way ahead at $7200.
October 18th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
God! These indians think they are walking on water. Hey dudes. There is a famous saying among armed forces, that don’t be afraid of a country that has thousands of nuclear weapons, be afraid of the country that has just one, cuz its gonna use that one in the best possible way. So building a military bigger than china does not make you strong. It just makes you more hated than you already are (e.g. US). But Indians will be Indians…. All FART but no SHIT
October 18th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Doc and Maria- you guys are so obsessed with India. Below is a copy and paste of an interview for you to consider.
Unlocking the power of Chinese consumers: An interview with Stephen Roach Morgan Stanley Asia’s chairman discusses the roots and prospects of China’s next revolution.
In China’s rush to join the global economy, the country stoked exports and government-led investment but neglected to build social and economic institutions needed to encourage consumers at home. Stephen Roach, Morgan Stanley Asia’s chairman, says its time for the world’s fastest-growing economy to find a “back-up plan.” This interview was conducted by Clay Chandler, the McKinsey publishing group’s Asia editor, in Hong Kong in August 2009. Watch the video, or read the transcript below.
Clay Chandler: We’re talking today with Steve Roach, the chairman of Morgan Stanley Asia. Steve has been here in Hong Kong for nearly two years now but is known to many for his previous role as Morgan Stanley’s chief economist. He’s a long-time observer of the global economy and of economic policy and development in China. Steve, thank you for being with us.
Stephen Roach: I’m delighted to be here.
Clay Chandler: Private consumption is running at about 36 percent of GDP in China right now. That is half of the US consumption rate, and it’s about two-thirds of the consumption rate of Europe. It has come down very dramatically in the last decade, and tested levels that we’ve really never seen in any other major economy in the history of the modern global marketplace. Why is China’s consumption so low, and how do you explain the extent of the decline?
Stephen Roach: I think there are a couple of reasons why the Chinese consumption rate is as low as it is. When Deng Xiaoping gave the word to push ahead on reforms and open up the Chinese economy, in the late ’70s, the Chinese economy was on the brink of collapse. And so they needed a pretty quick answer, and they needed it to take hold in a relatively short period of time. And so the investment/export model was unleashed, and unleashed with a vengeance. And it did start to deliver immediate results.
The second reason is that as that export/investment-led model began to deliver, the world increasingly embraced globalization, took down trade barriers, and global trade started to skyrocket as a share of world GDP. And so not only was China delivering growth for its own purposes, but it got seduced by the globalization of trade and the ability for this increased share of global trade to reinforce its own opening up.
And so it remained very focused on exports and investment and neglected the heavy lifting that was required to augment that by improved private consumption. And so it never really had a backup plan here. And now that failure to really focus on internal private consumption and the [social] safety net is beginning to be very problematic going forward.
Clay Chandler: What can China do to boost consumption? And what, in your view, is the upper limit of how much China could feasibly raise its consumption rate as a percentage of GDP?
Stephen Roach: I’ve learned, Clay, in my last 12 to 15 years of following China, don’t underestimate the commitment and the determination of the Chinese authorities to address a problem when they finally realize they’ve got a serious one. I think a realistic goal, and I’ve given a speech on this in Beijing earlier this year, would be to aim for a 50 percent consumption share of GDP within five years.
I think they can do it. Now that’s a big move. That’s 14 percentage points of GDP, 15 percentage points of GDP in five years. I think it’s achievable if they do move aggressively on social security, pensions, and nationwide medical care.
Clay Chandler: What are the obstacles to boosting consumption in China? And what’s your sense of how committed China’s leaders are to overcoming that resistance?
Stephen Roach: Well, I think the main obstacles are persuading a large generation of Chinese workers and families who have been displaced under the guise of state-owned enterprise reform—who have lost the sort of cradle-to-grave support, the so-called iron rice bowl, the safety net that had been in place in the prior state-owned enterprise regime—to convince them that it’s okay to begin to draw down the excesses of precautionary saving. People say, “Oh, this is a cultural thing in Asia.” I don’t buy that for a second. I think the excess saving is very much an outgrowth of a necessity rather than a cultural DNA. And it’s up to the Chinese authorities to really deliver on the safety net, to dissuade families so that savings motive can change.
Clay Chandler: In an article in the Financial Times, you wrote that China’s response to the global financial crisis has succeeded in restoring short-term growth but has also raised the risk for long-term problems in the economy. You warned, in fact, that it has raised the possibility of “destabilizing consequences.” Could you explain that?
Stephen Roach: Things were pretty bad in late 2008 and 2009—much worse inside of China than the official year-over-year GDP comparisons might have alluded to. If you recalculate the GDP on a sequential quarter-to-quarter basis, the way we do it in the West, the growth rate had slowed pretty close to zero late last year.
There were massive layoffs in export-dependent Guangdong province; the government admitted at least 20 million migrant workers had lost their jobs. So once again, China needed growth and they needed it now. And so what they ended up doing was, first they enacted a massive 4 trillion renminbi stimulus, 72 percent of which was infrastructure. And then they opened up the spigots of bank lending. And they created the biggest six-month lending binge on record: about 7 trillion renminbi in the January-through-June period.
So what I wrote about in the FT was that it seemed to me that because the growth imperatives were so urgent, the authorities just opted to get as much growth out the door in as short a period of time as they possibly could. And they ended up stimulating perhaps the most unbalanced sector in the Chinese economy: fixed asset investment, which at the end of last year was 40 percent of the GDP. Now it’s probably more than 45 percent of the GDP. We’ve never seen numbers like that for any major economy in the modern post–World War II era.
Clay Chandler: Is it realistic to think about China as a new engine of global growth?
Stephen Roach: I think China has the potential to become a major engine of global growth. But I think it’s unrealistic to expect China to step into that role immediately in this post-crisis era. I think it’ll take three years, more likely five to ten years, for China to really have the type of balance and scale of its economy that can fill the void that’s about to be left—or that is now being left—by the demise of what heretofore has been the biggest and most dynamic and powerful consumer in the world: the American consumer.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Paki and Cheena army is made up of harmaphadites (hijras) and led by band baja company. India has nothing to worry about. we are far superior than all of our neighbors and this region should simply accept us the leader. game over!
October 18th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
hindu men are hijras that is why all their filmi hereos are Muslim men. Indian army is made up of banyaas- what can they do?
October 19th, 2009 at 2:44 am
Hi Folks,
don’t be so emotional. Just try to work hard and time will tell the truth. Cheers
October 19th, 2009 at 4:06 am
Visiting this blog first time, real excellent
What else can be said about India,s nerviousness. A country (region) having hundreds of faiths,cultures,religions with poverty thier main” ASSET” must be a nervous preposition from all points of view.
October 19th, 2009 at 6:42 am
I just stumbled upon Mr Mallick’s blog, and spent a rivetting half an hour reading it. Sir,I find your views contrary to the opinions I have been holding all along. The divergence however is stimulating – since I find certainties very boring. The maturity and eveness of tone in your blog is markedly different from some of the more high pitched comments emanating from either side of the border. I am not sure that Muslims in India are in quite a precarious state as you make it out to be. Frankly, I do not sense it among any of my Muslim friends. But then, it is difficult to generalize, and the Muslims you refer to may be from quite another geography or (dare I say it) socio-economic class in this vast and varied land of mine. Finally, hats off (should I make that a fez cap?) to you for the observation that growing civilizations contain variety, and dying ones are monolithic in outlook. Here’s to the unending rainbow in our lives.
October 19th, 2009 at 7:45 am
i dont understand why these pakis have nothing to do except see wat the indians are upto 24 x 7…get a life.. and quit obsessing about india…as for china , yes they may be a lot powerful, but india does have the really powerful allies who will make china think twice before doing anything stupid…
October 19th, 2009 at 8:48 am
A CLEAR POLITICAL SUGGESTION TO THE INDIAN GOVT.
AS PAKISTAN AND CHINA MAKING THE AIMS FOR DEVELOPING HYDROELECTRIC PLANTS OVER NEELAM AND JHELUM IN TURN INDIA MUST PLAN TO BLOCK THE INDUS RIVER THAT ORIGINATES IN KASHMIR AND THEN RUNS ALONG THE PAKISTAN AND START DEVELOPING SOME PLANT (JUST BLOCK THE RIVER THATS ALL). THAT WILL BE A CRUCIAL ACTION AS INDUS RUNS ALONG THE NORTH PAK AND THEN IN THE COUNTRY THE BLOCKING OF THE RIVER WOULD BE CRUCIAL FOR SUSTAINING WITHOUT WATER IN THAT PARTICULAR REGION.
2ND SUGGESTION: GIVE DIFFERENT VISAS FOR THE TIBETIANS AS THE CHINESE DID FOR THE KASHMIR THUS USE SAME STRATEGY AS THEY USED.
3RD SUGGETION : START CLAIMING THE P.O.K REGION AS THE PAKISTANIS STARTS NOSING ABOUT KASHMIR. AS WELL INDIA SHOULD START TAKING INTRESTS IN THE TIBETIAN AFFAIRS AS CHINA STARTS NOSING ABOUT ARUNACHAL PRADESH (THOUGH OBVIOUSLY ARUNACHAL IS A INALIENABLE PART OF INDIA AND IT CAN’T E TAKEN AWAY LIKE THAT UNTILL THE BLOOD OF THE LAST CITIZEN OF INDIA IS DROPPED).
October 19th, 2009 at 10:00 am
@ Gaurav: its a reply of pure jealousy against Pakistan n China, this seems that Indians have no brains or they dont know how to bring new ideas because these stretegies are already used by different countries n tis now time bring something different.
Secondly the first suggestion u gave was a suggestion of a looser! The person who give these kind of suggestions is the only one who dont have mind to think constructive, or u can say think positively, n one thing i want to tell if u do this. it will create more conflict n then u will be disagreeing your PM who says: we want peace and prosperity in the region.
October 19th, 2009 at 10:54 am
I stumbled upon this article and have spent the last hour going through it and its various comments.. Its good to see such patriotism from the two sides. Everyone talks fighting till the end.. why not talk of staying together till the end. its only the last sixty years that have created such a huge chasm between the two peoples.. hell, we have been one since the dawn of history. So why now should we fall for the foolhardy tricks of the “superpowers”. The time is ripe for us to reveal the true face of the imperialist west. Though, we must look into ourselves first before fighting others. Why do you think the whole subcontinent has been plagued by such misery- poverty, hunger, crime, corruption. All this is because everything has been imposed on us-the western values, the ethics, the laws… everything. Our society has always been unique and the British Raj stifled it not allowing it to develop into a modern one.. rather imposing their values on us. At one time in history, India (i.e., the Indian subcontinent) accounted for 50% of the world GDP. Like with the rise of the British in India, we are allowing the imperialists once again to conquer us through exploiting differences among us. The whole subcontinent must work to resolve these differences and concentrate on evolving and developing the society so that the whole region regains the prime position it held not so long ago in time. Nobody wants war.. but nobody wants to live in fear as well.
October 19th, 2009 at 11:33 am
@ maria
i dont think that either of the states would like to jeoperdize the prospect of becoming a stronger economy on these issues.
thanks for enlightening me with the history of talibani refugees, and i definitely did not talk about diplomacy with the savages, i am sure about that though recently pakistan tried to enter into a peace accord with the taliban in swat valley if you remember.
and would you really bother about a indo-china war over border issue, i dont think so. well, money has really driven an objectivity to peace
about sri lanka, i am not sure if they ever be hostile !! tamil tigers have been a threat to indian internal security since forever. and certailnly an enemy’s enemy is a friend even if there is no other incentive.
even though nepal is under maoist rule, i am not sure it has power to stand to india not that it wants to.
thank god some part of our border is shared by bhutan where we dont have to bother about analysis !!
@jairam , @ravdeep
i really enjoyed reading your opinions .
October 19th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
I stumbled upon this blog. First I thought it is a biased Paki blog and than I read Hafez Saeed, Secularism and ISI articles. Mr. Malicj seems like even-steven. Not pakis are like that and i am delighted.
as per India’s nervousness- i think it is a play on words. but i have noticed an uptick in ant-china stories lately too.
pl keep writing and visit us in mumbai soon
October 19th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
@vishal
Are u sure u’re not on our side??!!I mean,its hilarious tht u pasted all tht to play down China’s rise but u only ended up bringing out the contrary view:)If u had read Stephan Roach’s statements before senselessly pasting them u wud have found a befitting reply.Read wt the man concludes..this time with open eyes…
Stephen Roach: I think China has the potential to become a major engine of global growth. But I think it’s unrealistic to expect China to step into that role immediately in this post-crisis era. I think it’ll take three years, more likely five to ten years, for China to really have the type of balance and scale of its economy that can fill the void that’s about to be left—or that is now being left—by the demise of what heretofore has been the biggest and most dynamic and powerful consumer in the world: the American consumer.
For one,Stephan Roach is widely known for his pessimistic views.They call him the”pessimistic bear”.So coming from a downright pessimist,it should dismiss any existing doubts about China’s spectacular economic potential.
For another thing,low consumption does not seem to raise alarm bells for an economy thts largely EXPORT BASED.A low consumer spending in countries tht make up China’s market might spell gloom but a similar situation at home might not be as worrisome.Lastly,low consumer spending could conversely mean high national saving rate.For China,the national saving rate is 55% of its GDP..a phenomenal figure.Its an area where other countries,in particular the West,should emulate China.It wasnt long ago when plenty of easy cash n no means of paying back triggered the sub-prime mortgage crisis,sending the entire American economy in deep recession.So the point to bear out is tht low consumption at home should not be a major cause for concern for an export led economy.
Since u’re eager to hear Morgon Stanley’s verdict on China,let me remind u tht they have predicted China’s GDP to grow at 9% for 2009…much higher than what they hve predicted for India which is 5.8%.
So friend,it doesnt particularly please me to be an exponent of China’s economic might but I thought I should put u right.
@arjit_k
Ur choice of vulgar words only reflects paucity of thought.A lot of people might find ur demeaning reference to ‘band baja’ disturbing.Thts bcoz music is valued in certain religions so u might have offended the sensibilities of ur co-religionists!!
@gaurav
Ur comments speak of moral lassitude thts prevalent among the Indian side,amply reflected in the policies of ur government.Ur piece of advice wud make any civilized person cringe with shame.U need not make an effort to put those ideas across to ur govt.They’re busy planning ways to block water n cripple agriculture in neighbouring states.Pakistan is disturbed over Kishanganga,Baglihar,Wuller,Ohrri Two and others.Bangladesh is disturbed over Farraka Barrage and Nepal over the dam on Mahakali River.Not only is tht a sinister way of depriving lower riparian states of their due share,its grossly inhuman to steal water and bloock rivers so tht u can turn neighbourly agricultural lands into deserts and rejoice.Last year,blocking water of the chenab thru Baglihar deprived Pakistan of some 23000 cusecs per day..The Indus Waters Treaty or any international treaty for tht matter bears little relevance to an aggressor state!
All tht constitutes overt designs.Now a word on Indis’s underhand manoeuvres to jeopardise agriculture in Pakistan..India pressed the Karzai govt to build a dam on River Kabul so tht Pakistan can be deprived of 0.5 MAF of its water.They offered technical assistance for tht brilliant venture.
A big round of applause to the Indian govt for executing a brilliant plan to steal others’ waters.and an equally big round of applause to peple like Gaurav who are advocating all tht.
@ravdeep
I am keenly appreciate ur views.I agree tht the need of the hour is working towards the common good.Hostilities are bearing down on the economy on both sides of the border.We’re equally afflicted with poverty and all those ills and the only way we can claw out of this mess is thru mutual cooperation.There is a pressing need for regional cooperation.Its interesting to note tht after centuries of hostility,European states forged an incredibly united front in the form of EU while Pakistan and India(rivalry between whom is neither as long-standing nor as bitter) are least inclined to explore the avenues of peace and cooperation.We have had military rule for much of our history and hawkish leaders have held us back from realizing this prospect.But of late,our democratic government has made several overtures towards India to resume the composite dialogue.If at all we are to work collectively towards prosperity,then we require peace.And peace requires an ongoing dialogue.When the Indian Premier showed the slightest willingness to resume dialogue at the sidelines of the NAM summit,he was assailed by hawkish leaders and a fiery media back home.As a result,he cowed to pressure and India drew back from its commitment to resume talks.At the sidelines of UNGA meeting,the Indians proudly displayed their aversion to peace and dialogue.
If they were truly committed to the cause of regionalism,how cud they let the talks become hostage to the designs of a handful of terrorists?Pakistan is equally bothered over Indian interference in Baluchistan but we favour dialogue as the appropriate means.This kind of attitude on India’s part is hardly conducive to regionalism which u’ve rightly suggested as the best cure.
@piyush
U seem to hve misinterpreted me big time.In international relations jargon,confrontation does not mean an all out war.It refers to hostility stopping short of actual warfare.Ur neighbours might not strike back with conventional military means.But bad terms with them might mean serious trouble for the region.Disputes,however minor,have wide implications for a state.They cause a state to devote vast resources to military capabilities in the hope of deterring other states.This leads to what the realist theorists typically call a security dilemma.That is,a situation in which a state’s actions to bolster its security threaten the security of other states most of whom follow suit resulting in an arm’s race in the region.What follows is regional insecurity.So back to ur line of reasoning tht Nepal cant pose the slightest threat to India.That might be so but a single country having so many unsettled issues bodes ill for regional peace and security.
October 19th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Sorry some errors
@gaurav
A big round of applause for the Indian govt…
@ravdeep
I keenly appreciate ur views…
October 19th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
@maria!!!
i ve just stumbled upon this blog!! and read it thoroughly enough to say that the answer and questions you put in your blogs are far superior than any other contributor above!! your blog was logical and full of intellectual steam!!
@to all others!!
if you want to blog it is requested to please first prepare you blogs in your minds and then put it to words!! and some of the above were just uttering shit nothing else!! like foreign office of Pakistan shud ve controlled Taliban!! common do you guyz really thing that foreign office is incharge of internal security of Pakistan!! and as far as the might of Indian army is concerned the only real war we had was of 1965 and at the end of that war Pakistan occupied khem kharan which is inside the Indian territory some 10 kms!! and there was not an inch of Pakistan under Indian boots!! and then came kargil!! haven’t to heard that your defense minister sold the coffins of Indian soldiers just to get some kick back from the coffin manufacturer!! i don’t want to be a war mongerer here but if numbers would have be the only factor in a war then soviets might have taken Afghanistan!! and BTW please always remember we were the ones who cracked the iron curtain by our ISI!! and trust me if Indian don’t want to get cracked up like them they must respect their neighbor!! cuz Russian had a homogeneous society contrary to India which has hundreds of different minorities which can beat the hell of India in no time!! you should thank Pakistan for not supporting khalsa movement in India! trust me at that time if ISI wanted to break away Punjab and other states it was just piece of cake for them.
October 19th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Guys, 25% “minority” Muslims have ruled over India for more than 700 years…they are still capable to do so…its sad to see that Hindus welcomed English and supported them to take over their country. They couldnot do it on their own. History states that the first recorded protest by any Hindu in the entire history of subcontinent was on Partition of Bengal in 1905…this shows what they are made of. They couldnt dare that in Muslim rule.
Nothing to worry.
October 20th, 2009 at 2:56 am
@ Maria and Preeti
I truly enjoyed replies from you both. You both represent people from both sides that are not tainted with today’s politics. I believe its time for us to start seeking the similarities rather than difference. I have faith that our new generations will achieve that, people like you both. Nevertheless this article is about India and china. Its all political mostly, neither is China nor India interested in an arms race or a conflict. They just want to keep a hard defensive stance and make strategic alliances.(e.g India and Israel). I just hope we soon realize the importance and the benefits of an alliance between Pakistan and India, we are almost the same people and we definitely would be a force to be reckon with in any way.
October 20th, 2009 at 4:21 am
hey dudes,
who s gonna win the race,china,india r pak,well d answer is NONE OF THE ABOVE,d weapon suppliers gonna win,so lets join hands and work for better future,lets give d future genration a nuke free and world,its time to concentrate on climatic change and terrorism,so lets stop spreading hatred and start working for d sake of our planet,
October 20th, 2009 at 5:18 am
@Salman:
my dear salman, you pakistanis see everything as hindu-muslim and divert the attention of the public, INDIA had a muslim president(first citizen of the country),muslim cricket captain(the game which millions follow)…but can we imagine such thing in pakistan ,never…..we respect the minorities…EVEN our PM belongs to minority..we respect all faiths ..so we flourish and prosper..we are not like you pakistanis, breeding up terrorism,fuelling religious hatred,begging money from US,etc., and because of your helplessness you are playing second fiddle to china..if you are capable stand up on your own feet..
and do you know history,(how can we expect this from a person of a country which teaches biased history?!!)the first struggle against britishers was in 1806,by the people of TAMILNADU,INDIA..99 years before the year what you have said..and i can also say under whose rule the colonial rulers first entered the country..but i will not! because i was not grown up in such a country,to differentiate people on religious grounds, and above all as many of your compatriots have said,INDIA does not fear china because
‘GOD is with us;NO ONE can be against us’;
JAI SRIRAM,INSHA ALLAH….
October 20th, 2009 at 6:40 am
@ all
am here for the first time on tis blog..n am quite appealed by the apathy of our pakistani n chinese frnds.. well brothers ur ties r growing on “anti INDIA” politics. i saw sum1 earlier write bout nuclear weapons, well, mate u need to get a copy of letter bu the US pentagon which commented after Pakistan’s major nuclear missile spree was made public. it said ” pakistan may need over 90 nuclear heads to strike India, but just 2 from India would create doubts over the existence of Pakistan! so mate we r certainly far more superior.
am not here actually to fuel indo pak arguements, but am quite amazed by the fact that pakistani frnds here think they r actually superior than us!! i wonder in wat fields r they superior…a country which has electricity supply for 6hrs/day??? sum1 spoke bout poverty ridden India??!! dude c’mon, beggars here r richer than labourers in ur country!!
one more thing peculiar bout pakistani’s is dat they always say in India muslims r a minority. u need to check out videos on you tube. An MP grilled ur ex-prez Musharaf saying…”Muslim population in pakistan is only 15% of muslims in India n u don ve to worry bout them…n one more thing muslims this side of the border r far than happy to atleast lead a more civilised life, better facilities n a more developed nation than wat Pakistan can ever be…aven after 100yrs.
for ppl takin bout azad kashmir…last week ppl of a town called Sopore which always wanted freedom past 20yrs, now, suddenly turned to Indian govt. for jobs…jus assess where u stang boys!!
i guess pakistan must be more concerned bout taliban n ofr terrorists being bred in ur country. lemme tell u that wen u guys r so proud of being muslims, i guess u sud take care of these terrorists who r making the muslim community bow down to shame.!!
October 20th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Guys you are not getting the point. Everyone feels that they are better than the other, that they are being victimised, that what they do is logical and correct. This diagnosis points to a grave communication gap. There are numerous instances where an Indian/Pakistani can point out the wrongs done by the other, but no one would want to rather, no one would know of an instance where they have gone terribly wrong and caused much harm to the other. So, it is pointless carrying on with the rhetoric of blaming each other like kids. Let us make this a constructive forum to bring about a better understanding of each other’s problems and work towards resolving them. For starters, let us talk about the main problem of terrorism which has recently spread like wildfire throughout the region.. the current war within Pakistan..
Lets not make it a Hindu-Muslim bashing corner. Indians should be proud of having the largest Muslim population in the world after Indonesia and at the same time the recent return to democracy in Pakistan should be applauded. Let us talk about what we can give each other to enrich everyone’s life.
October 20th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Ravdeep you right at this point, but can’t you think that if any anything happens in India the govt without thinking just blames on Pakistan n very confidently also, now em sorry to say the main target of terrorism is Pakistan, and now if you’ve heard there is big involvement of India in balouchistan, so why India is interfearing in Pakistan and in Pakistani matter, in everything you can see that they want to isolate Pakistan whether it is Cricket or it is Politics. Cn the people of India can answer this? and if like you guys doesnt like this then don’t you convey to your messages to your govt?
October 20th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Respectfully beg to differ from the points made in this article. India-US partnership does not mean an end to India-Russia friendship. China and India, the two emerging powers are acquiring resources in far away lands and building weapons and army. US, the decaying sole super-power is busy marking territory in the region. Surviving on China-India feud might not be the best strategy for Pakistan. Efforts to neutralize Pakistan militarily might not be conducive to future peace and stability in the region. China, undoubtedly exceeds India in size of economy and military power but that could be no guarantee for Pakistan. US partnership did not stop India from breaking Pakistan in 1971. India-China military competition could mean waste of resources these two governments could use for progress had they not been hostile to one another. For smaller countries in the region, the best way forward could be increasing business with the two and resolution of conflicts. Peace.
October 20th, 2009 at 10:14 am
panchodon jab tak tum logon ka peo “pakistan zinda hai”,tum logon ki chod k rakh den ge@arjit_k:
October 20th, 2009 at 10:41 am
ATTRIBUTES OF THE INDIANS(EXCLUDING MUSLIMS)
1-COW PISS SUCKERS
2-RACEISTS
3-POOR
4-UGLY
5-COWARDS
October 20th, 2009 at 11:16 am
I respect the feelings of Mr. Malick in the above article but I must clarify that this isn’t India’s nervousness. India is already well prepared its just we don’t want to demonstrate our powers haphazardly . Its a fact that pakistan is always concerned with India’s intention and modalities instead of working for their own pakistani aawam and building up some good reputation so that they can stand somewhere on the globe. Everyone knows where Pakistan stands today. America (whom Pakistan think as their GOD) has also stated Pakistan as the Biggest threat to the international society. Its them who have made there innocent Muslim brothers ashamed around the globe.
Today China has undoubtedly emerged as one of the economically powerful asian nation but let me remind you this that it is just the flavour of the month. This ain’t help them in long run.
@ Zameer:
Mr Zameer it seems you r mentally unstable. Let me remind you that when a muslim child is born his penis is …….. And BTW this Indian army has cracked pakistan’s bones 4 times in the history. So by now you must have realized who is who. Better think twice b4 you speak something.
October 20th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
@Abid Sahi: the only aspect i liked about your comment was when you praised maria. please dont blame others about not being thoughtful while writing, atleast they know kargil was a war !! and khalistan…..dude dream on………
October 20th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Ibrahim Malick,
It is but typical of sub continental citizens to look over the shoulder and gossip about their neighbours. Your piece is one such act.
I’d like to rephrase the tag line – Pakistan for Pakistanis…
It should be = Save Pakistan from Pakistanis.
Look yonder later. The Pak mindset needs a radical change. India at least have a path to tread however obstacle ridden it may be. Pakistan isn’t even ready for civilization leave alone dialogue eg.a prime example on the trail – chaps like kaleem, zamir etc. The typical pakistani upbringing has shone here. It shows the backwardness of the Paki mindset… their dogged pakistani tails seem to wag away when they hear something ill about india.
To Pakis above,
Get back to work please. You have a rotting pile of junk which happens to be your country to look after.
October 20th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
get a life man…..in your dreams….all the biased publicity is dillusioning indians….
“As per China, we have already surpassed them in technology and science we will surpass them militarily as well”
L M A O
all india can ever manufacture is an insurgency in Pakistan through Afghanistan…or for that matter in East Pakistan…huh
October 20th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
OH COME ON!!! THIS IS AN ARTICLE LIKE HUNDREDS ON THE INTERNET ABOUT THE INDIAN-CHINA-PAKISTAN-RUSSIA CONFLICT!!!!! Ibrahim Sajid Malick IS A NEUTRAL JOURNALIST… THEY REPORT AND WRITE CURRENT POLITICAL WEATHER!! ANY TIME ANY OF YOU HARD-HEADED INDIAN OR PAKISTANI TALK NEGATIVE ABOUT THE OTHER, YOUR DISPLAYING NOTHING BUT AN ILLITRATE SIDE OF YOU WITH BIGGER BALLS THEN BRAINS. READ THIS ARTICLE AGAIN, STAY TO THE POINT AND COMMENT ABOUT JUST THE INDIAN AND CHINESE RELATIONS. DON’T USE THIS ARTICLE TO LET OUT YOUR HATE AND PASS ON IMMATURE INSULTS, GO TO A DESI CHAT ROOM AT LET IT OUT THERE BECAUSE YOUR HATE HAS NO ROOM IN THE “ACTUAL DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CURRENT AND THE FUTURE OF THESE NATIONS”.
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October 20th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Comparing India and China is to embark on an old puzzle that has fascinated smart people for centuries. The newer question of economic leadership, however—”Which country will overtake the other in the foreseeable future?” —is an urgent and important one, according to this provocative article.
I agree with Mr. Rashid that China and India are the world’s next major powers. In general, China has discouraged or actively undermined local entrepreneurship in favor of an foreign direct investment-dependent approach, they say. India, on the other hand, is building an infrastructure—however slowly—that allows entrepreneurship and free enterprise to thrive. By making fuller use of its resources, India’s long-term outlook are far stronger. Macroeconomic statistics show China clearly in the lead. But,the real issue isn’t where China and India are today, but where they will be tomorrow. How these two models play out has great significance not just for Asia but also for other parts of the world that want to benefit from their lessons and avoid their mistakes.
In terms of similarities, both India and China are conscious of their role in the world economy. Both seek to play a bigger political role on the world stage. China is already doing that as a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council. The differences include the fact that China is taking tangible but slow steps towards embracing private entrepreneurship, a big departure from the past. India is continuing to struggle with making things easier for multinationals. So the differences are arguably narrowing; but the first-order effect of all this is still “a big difference.”
My concerns for China are these: how will China give political voice to the public, if at all, along with increasing economic autonomy? I am also concerned about instability caused by migration to cities and the large (though decreasing) role of bankrupt, state-owned enterprises that continue to play a Social Security-like role in China. But the biggest source of worry is the state of China’s banking sector, which is technically insolvent. The banking problem is one of the biggest costs of the delay associated with developing a vibrant, domestic private sector.
We must also ask how will India rein in its fiscal deficit? How will India discipline its political class? One challenge India faces is deregulation. India is also quite over-regulated compared to other countries at its level of per capita income.
I think author has started a good debate- unfortunately it was lost in cocophony of nationalist street urchins.
October 20th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
@piyush: Mr.Piyush i think yu need to study your views in more depth and need to widen your horizon by looking at the whole region in a different perspective.it wud be a good idea to remind yu that its not just China and Pakistan only but India doesnt enjoy good neighborly relations with anyyy neighbor and all smaller neighbors complain of India’s meddling in their internal matters and supporting terrorist/rogue organisations..India has supported Tamils in Srilanka and is responsible for Nepal’s frequent political turmoil..India supported Mukti bahini rebels in East Pakistan(now Bangladesh) which finally resulted in division of Pakistan into two.Now India is trying to repeat history by supporting rogue elements in Pakistan’s tribal region of Waziristan and sponsoring and aiding these terrorists through their consulates in Afghanistan while shaking hands with Pakistan on her eastern borders—Yet India shamelessly talks about PEACE.Thus, it should be India’s neighbors(from east to West) who keep a vigilant eye on India so that they could contemplate her next nefarious move rather than India keeping an eye on their alliances.But one thing must be made very very clear to you that as your Tamil terrorists have been washed away from Srilanka,the day is not far when your elements and military will be wiped off from Pakistan’s tribal belt and Kashmir and all the neighbors will join hands to get rid of the regions’s evil,once and for all!
Coming to the point that Pakistani admin were ignorant and Taliban got stronger under their nose i wud again like to remind yu of the fact that almost 40% of India’s districts are under the control of maoist and other rebels and despite India being ranked among world’s top performing economies with one of the biggest military power those rebels are getting stronger by each day.The very structure of India’s society is despotic and discriminatory with 90% of Hindus being Dalits (The untouchables) and this inculcates and nurtures terrorism in the masses and ultimately the system has to collapse.So its time to mend ways rather than finding scapegoats in the neighbors!!
A concerned neighbor and a patriotic Pakistani.
October 20th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
@Randhawa: Corrrection of Facts: Nearly 90 percent of all the poor Indians and 95 percent of all the illiterate Indians are Dalits with a total population of 160 million NOT 90% if Hindus!
October 20th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
@Vikrant: It was pleasing to see an Indian advising Pakistan to manage its AWAAM well and create a good repute rather than worrying too much about Indian intentions and modalities. But, my concerned friend, unfortunately our geographical location doesnt allow us to focus solely on our internal affairs without keeping an eye on the political, military and religious giants neighboring us.We are neighboring the likes of China, Afghanistan, Iran, India and a bit of old USSR (now Tajikistan) which means sitting at the hotbed or epicenter of world power and politics.To add to the pressure we have been fighting full scale wars over Kashmir with a neighbor 15 times bigger than us,who likes to brag about its military and scientific might but never had the guts to just show some muscles overtly and damage Pakistan in an all out way.On the other hand it has always adopted cowardly tactics to malign Pakistan and plot against it since our inception. The very recent example was the shaking of hands with Pakistan on the eastern border in 2003 and since then financing terrorists on its western border to destabilise it.SHEER HYPOCRACY!!
Now I would like to address your second concern, that of creating a good repute. History stands witness to Pakistan’s role in the international arena where in the past 60yrs we have supported the cause of the crippled,helpless and innocent people all over the world ranging from Kashmir & Afghanistan to the Palestine. We have overtly spoken and even battled with the aggressors may it be Indian army in Kashmir, Russians in Afghanistan or Israelis in Palestine, while all the aggressors were much more stronger economically,militarily and geographically. This is why, the inhuman aggressors have joined hands in the form of RAW-Mossad-CIA nexus and trying their level best to disintegrate the only nuclear armed overt global supporter of the oppressed so they could materialise on their nefarious plans with audacity. But Pakistan, on the other hand, has earned a genuine repute among the oppressed and this is why when we declared jihad against the Russians mujahideen from Chechnya,Palestine,Morocco,Kashmir, Saudi Arabia and many other countries across the globe joined in to support us. So…Mr Concerned its high time India start making genuine allies with heart and soul too rather than allies like Israel who just help you against the common enemy that is Pakistan!! These kind of allies are not all weather freinds, who side you as long as their objective is achieved and then even stop acknowledging your efforts and sacrifices.
October 20th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
According to Indian newspaper survey Muslims comprise only 5% of employees in India’s big government. The figure for Indian Railways, the country’s biggest employer, is only 4.5%.
Indian Muslims continue to have a paltry representation in the bureaucracy and police – 3% in the powerful Indian Civil Service, 1.8% in foreign service and only 4% in the Indian Police Service. And Muslims account for only 7.8% of the people working in the judiciary.
Indian Muslims are also largely illiterate and poor.
At just under 60%, the community’s literacy rate is lower than the national average of 65%. Only half of Muslim women can read and write. As many as a quarter of Muslim children in the age-group 6-14 have either never attended school or dropped out.
They are also poor – 31% of Muslims are below the country’s poverty line, just a notch above the lowest castes and tribes who remain the poorest of the poor.
To add to the community’s woes are myriad problems relating to “identity, security and equity”. They carry a double burden of being labelled as ‘anti-national’ and as being ‘appeased’ at the same time.
Historians say it is ironic that many Indians bought the Hindu nationalist bogey of ‘Muslim appeasement’ when it had not translated into any major socio-economic gain for the community.
So why has the lot of Indian Muslims remained miserable after six decades of independence?
October 21st, 2009 at 12:22 am
@randhawa
thank you very much for the invaluable suggestion, though I would like to put certain facts in place:
Sri Lanka : the Indian government stance is highly misinterpreted in the recent conflicts. the Indian Navy played a pivotal role in eliminating the tamil Tigers by providing accurate intelligence to Srilankan military about the whereabouts of LTTE and thus enabling sri lanka what it has achieved. the pro-tamil stance of India which has been highly discussed about is about the civilians of the region which was marred by conflict and is solely based upon the humanitarian poin of view.
Bangladesh : well I must say it was the support of Indian government with which Bangladesh was created. In this aspect the then Pakistan was trying to infiltrate border regions of east pakistan thus compromising indian internal security. thus it was in the interest of country and need of time to reply to pakistani forces. it didnt provide support to mukti vahini sena but it was the other way around. it was a position when two states were at war and the pro-bangladeshis were a major asset to India. Imagine how rough would be for India with hostilities from pakistan on both sides but for 1971.
Nepal : its in interest of any state to have a friendly neighbourhood,and the pre-election scenario was mis read by the indian beurocrats hence was the small friction which is being addressed to now. and the relations have gone back to normalcy if not better
October 21st, 2009 at 3:38 am
@piyush:
I can assure you that I am all ready to accept any genuine information you give me but I am wondering where did you bring these facts from, because they contradict the whole picture of the region.
Srilanka:The LTTE was founded on May 5, 1976 by Velupillai Prabhakaran. According to the Indian media news channel “ibnCNN,” the LTTE’s main members including Prabhakaran were trained by the Indian Army and Indian intelligence agency “RAW” which attracted many supporters among disenchanted Tamil youth. They carried out low-key attacks against various government targets, including policemen and local politicians.
So when you say that LTTE were eliminated with the help of Indian agencies, dont you think it makes one wonder that if both Srilanka and India were determined to eliminate LTTE then who was aiding and sponsoring them for more than two decades?? Mind you that Srilanka has only one neighbor and that is India so for the Love of God dont drag Pakistan into it.Your facts (Home grown i must call them) actually make no sense at all and further tarnishes your military’s capability by showing that Indian agencies with the support from Srilankan authorities could not eliminate LTTE for almost 25yrs.If that is your capabilty then which Asian Tiger do you boast of??
Sir, your facts are very ill thought of and naive!.What actually happened was that it was the Pakistani air force and agencies which helped Srilankan authorites to dismantle LTTE and India rescued its leader Prabhakaran after ISI informed Srilankans about his whereabouts. It was this alliance btw Pak and Lankans due to which India orchestrated attack on Srilankan cricket team in Lahore so that the countries hit diplomatic low. But the whole world saw Srilankan response which was all positive, neither their players nor any govt official blamed Pakistan because they knew WHO was behind that, Muralitharan even gave away his T-shirt to Pak security guard as a sign of solidarity. Can you tell me why any one in Pakistan would attack Srilankans who are neither fighting in afghanistan nor meddling in our internal affairs???
Bangladesh: It took me a lot of time to think of what response shall I give to your baseless facts about 1971 war. Pakistan Army was already fighting an Indian sponsored rebellion inside Bangladesh from all three borders that Bangladesh shares with India, and were facing shortage of man power, then why would they themself infiltrate and attack India which was in a far superior position??
I am looking forward for a solid and substantial response.
October 21st, 2009 at 4:00 am
Lets be clear about the situation of India. I’m an Indian so I’m pretty sure that I am clear about it.
Fact: India is afraid
Reason: Maoists and Islamic fundamentalism, Encircling by China
October 21st, 2009 at 4:05 am
I enjoyed reading your posts Manjeet, Randhawa, Hindustani Musalman and piyush. I learned a few things.
October 21st, 2009 at 6:10 am
@randhawa
sir, please do not take my words out of proportion. I never blamed pakistan for fostering LTTE, neither did I blamed ISI for the attack against players. I definitely hold the opinion that all five fingers are never same. though name of a talibani terrorist had come up during investigations but it was accepted in general perspective that it was majorly a LTTE sponsered attack. and i have certainly one opinion to put forward, i am sure it is of common knowledge that LTTE was responsible for assascination of our beloved PM rajeev gandhi, and now with sonia gandhi in power, do you really think India would be interested in helping LTTE, not that it ever has. the money you talking about has always been generated with sources that can never ascertained but i can accept the fact that some leaders in tamil nadu state of India might be sympathetic towards the tamil cause for reasons of their personal interests. they tried their best to try to make centre intervene in the ongoing war. and trust me when i say that if the centre was even a bit interested in supportinng LTTE ,the war wouldnt have seen the same result. now coming to disillusioned youth, you would know as good as me, that poverty and illetracy is the greatest problem for both the countries and unless these are adressed the problem of terrorism and naxalism will not be solved and that is what Indian government has been interested in doing.
coming to your claims of ISI supporting the war for Srilanka, you are right that India is sole neighbour and it was virtually very difficult for ISI to come up with accurate information in the waters that is indian or sri lankan territory. there was a furore (obviously generated by the tamil leaders) over this issue when it was revealed by the general of sri lankan army that indian navy helped with intel. so may be this news has not been very popular with pakistani media but it is true. and ofcourse it was not the official stance of Indian government as they were more interseted in presenting the indian face pro tamil population (which includes those displaced of their homes due to war and excludes tamil tigers).
i am sure of these facts.
well about the indo pakistan war of 1971…it is well documentedand thats why i do not need to argue about that. please refer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971
what i wish for is mutual co-operation between india and all the neighbours and peace in pakistan. i believe you cant stay happy if your neighbour is unhappy. period.
October 21st, 2009 at 6:34 am
lmao…….come on guys!!!! get a life!!!…. mr.malick….can u please stop writing such articles…. its making people more aggressive…. there are millions of other topics u can elaborate on ….let the respective governments deal with them if they want to……and as far the people who commented….come on people… get a life…. start facebooking….get entertained or do something useful on the internet…..arguing over things that dont fetch is real waste of time… make more friends than foes… life is short… hope u understand
October 21st, 2009 at 7:06 am
Manjeet compared India and China economically and politically. However, this article refers to the military power these two states are building. The homogenous nature of a one-party state could become strength for a country in matters of dominance and hegemony. You are right about India’s enterpreneurship compared to foreign investment but China has done better in reducing poverty. The capitalist spirit of free-enterprise does not provide help to populations of far-flung, un-developed areas. China’s universal health-care is a monumental task that government has taken up. Instead of frenzy and nervousness of a military challenge, leaders of nations ought to see past the present nature of conflicts and ambitions. Peace.
October 21st, 2009 at 8:14 am
@KHAN: hehhe…A pakistani laughing about india’s poverty..now thats laughable
October 21st, 2009 at 8:20 am
@piyush: Although your response does not satisfy me at all but lets just finish it over here. Whats really concerning me is the Indian designs against Pakistan.We decided to forget the animosity of the past and started a DOSTI campaign back in 2003 in which we acknowledged that we are both facing terrorism, poverty and other similar problems. India itself has acknowledged that infiltration and militancy in Kashmir has been reduced to almost a zero level, which shows Pakistan’s commitment to the peace process. The whole region experiences bomb blasts and other terrorist activities from Iran, Afghanistan,India to Srilanka but what is disturbing for us is that whenever something happens in India or in the region at large Indian media and the govt irresponsibly start blaming Pakistan and maligning ISI while RAW is actively aiding militancy in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Why dont they realise that terrorists have no country and no religion they are just killing machines as we have in Pakistan in the form if Taliban and in India under the banner of Hindu extremisim?? Everyone in Pakistan knows that India is behind most of the trouble but we hardly blame India in the same audacious manner as India does.I cant understand why India keeps this double standard?? I want an honest reply if anybody has…
October 21st, 2009 at 8:54 am
i just dont get one thing that why these Porkistanis are so intersted about our foreign ministry.why dont u guys just mind your own business.Dont u remember what we did to u in 1971?? and by the way india controls most of the river water flow into porkistan through dams so porkis u better behave. and as for china, they cutting of brahamaputra will only effect the eastern states and india can survive on other 9 major rivers flowing into india.
October 21st, 2009 at 8:56 am
aye pakistan
aye pakistan
tu hai baimaan
tu ne churaya khuda ka atta
usne tera lund kata.
October 21st, 2009 at 8:57 am
@Sufyan:there is no proof of indian involvement in balouchistan
October 21st, 2009 at 11:19 am
pakistan zindabad
October 21st, 2009 at 11:22 am
dont u know what paks military did with the coward hindus in 1948.1965,1999 we r nt afraid of dieing unlike the hindus,
October 21st, 2009 at 11:27 am
Interesting and timely news report below from Press Trust of India:
New Delhi, Oct 21 (PTI) Notwithstanding recent recriminations, China today said its relations with India were on a “very good term” and that the leaders of the two countries are committed to advance the ties in a “cooperative and mutually beneficial” manner. “Nothing should be worried or concerned (about),” Chinese Ambassador to India Zhang Yan told reporters here when asked to comment about the recent war of words between India and China on Arunachal Pradesh and some other issues.
“Our relationship is on a very good term and our leaders and officers-in-charge, including the Chinese Embassy, are committed to advance our relationship in a cooperative and mutually beneficial way,” he said. China recently objected to the visit of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to Arunachal.
India responded strongly to it and even went ahead to question China’’s participation in projects in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. Zhang said India and China have a lot of common positions on climate change issues and both sides are committed to work closely for the success of the December Copenhagen Summit.
October 21st, 2009 at 11:29 am
Manjeet, this news just proves Mr. Ibrahim Sahid Malick assertion. Looks like he succeeded in raising this issue so high on agenda that Chinese ambassador had to respond.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:13 pm
28% of Indians live below the poverty line, so do 26% of Pakistan. South Asia is home to 2/5ths of all extremely poor people in the world. 34% of Indians are illiterate, so are 44% of Pakistanis. Again, South Asia is home to the Lions Share of illiterate people. 20% of Indians and 23% of Pakistanis are undernourished.
So when people here decide to shut the other side up by using racial, religious and nationalistic jingoisms, the only thing that comes to mind is, two monkeys sitting on two large disgusting piles of garbage and screaming at each other and throwing garbage at each other.
For goodnesses sake, there are too many issues in both of the countries for people to spew out all the garbage as was being done above.
Noone wants war. We all want peace. Because we all want to see our nations develop and prosper. I would prefer to see Pakistan turn into a country with everything that I can want from a great country. I am sure Indians would want the same.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:22 pm
@aalahazrat: Well said aalahazrat!! Your words shall be followed in letter and spirit without any malice
October 21st, 2009 at 12:35 pm
well arguing here won’t achieve anything but few things should be considered in a logical manner.True pakistan currently is outclassed by India in almost every department and right now the discussion is mainly focussing on china Vs india.China needs pakistan to bog down india so it can be the ultimate leader in this region and possibly world.India on other hand looks too far ahead and tries to compete with USA for some odd reason and falls regularly flat on face while doing so.Not so sure wats the obcession of indian with having so many enemies in the region either that be srilanka,china or pakistan.You people can rant all day long that you are not mendling in their internal affair but you my friends are.When you become nosy pokers then please have the patience and guts to bear out the retaliations which have started to occur in your own motherland and stop acting like a cry baby.In the bigger picture pakistan doesn’t have much to loose and for all the ridicule you are throwing at us;let me remind you we are the reason why you are still getting nightmares for past 6 decades-had we been not so important not all your movies to your politicans wouldn’t be wasting so much time explaining how insignificant we are to you.Keep on repeating this and one day you might become a victim of your own dillusion.Pakistan is a geographical reality so accept it as you have no other way to go around it.
October 22nd, 2009 at 4:13 am
Dear Malick-saab,
While your own opinions are generally measured and civilised, there seem to be a lot of extremely obnoxious comments here by both Indians and Pakistanis. Every little bit of poison sticks somewhere in some hearts. Should you not at least moderate this section to some extent, and remove the most offensive ones?
After all, a man is known by the company he keeps, isn’t he?
Many of the observations here create an impression about your blog which I am sure is not true.
Regards, Shovon Chowdhury
October 22nd, 2009 at 4:15 am
Why not india should be scared n nervous? well india should afraid because india has no quality nukes, india has no quality messiles, its third degree as compare to Pakistan and China is World upcoming power, USA borrowed 3000 billion US $ from china than why india should be afraid. Indian’s are afraid because of Pak China Relations, so that’s why India is creating problem by sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan. Well its indian dream to destroy PAk-Sino relations via different tactics but its very difficult for india. India know that China is working every where in Pakistan for Development and Pak-Sino People that they are like brother country, China is supporting Pakistan unconditionally, i think china should build bases in Eastern Border of Pakistan, Pakistani government has to give this place to china.
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:41 am
guys lets look into our own matters, neither india is great nor is pakistan, me being an indian can say lets concentrate in building a good, strong country not only in military power but all over… war just gives destruction and no good to any one, but should be prepared for it always. and pakistanis should first see the talibans attack on their army headquater and today itself they lost their general i suppose.
well for both china, russia and us are very strong country, we both stands nowhere with them, we should build ourself and then say anything about anyone.
we both have problems, we should work to tackle them first.
and nothing better than friendship between india and pakistan, atleast the citizens of both the countries who always have to suffer any wrong decision taken by the corrupt politicians of either side..
hate will end up in destructions lets love and spread love…
dont hate other country but love yours…
jai hind
October 22nd, 2009 at 7:01 am
@MUHAMMED AHMED: incorrect friend, india is not spreading terrorism,,give any evidence, on the contrary pakistan is giving shelter to the master mind of terrorist with the arms supply and i think you dont need any evidence to believe on this,,, still you in need for the evidences pls ask mr. ibrahim sajid malick…i hope he do some research work on pakistin too in his time when he is not targeting india
October 22nd, 2009 at 8:06 am
baah… boring… how come this boring stuff gets on facebook???
Biased blog by a Pakistani for Pakistanis… Imaginary country…
The reality is that terror networks grip the country and their spill comes to India… Yuck!
How come the music of Pakistan is sooooo goood??? Love Jal, Call and Junoon…
October 22nd, 2009 at 9:17 am
I am no geek in external affairs and neither do i know about what exactly politicians speak in every conversation they have. But as an Indian citizen and a citizen who is proud in every bit to be so i would see this as just a matter of trying to hide ones own bigger problems just by blaming the neighbour..Y is this fellow pakistani so much worried abt our indian homeland..Y do u care actually..Atleast now show some concern abt ur own homeland and spend ur time n energy on what your own govt and officials are doing..You dont have a stable govt, evryday u have blasts in your capital and evry big sity..common wake up…U say we are afraid of china, neither does china bomb any of our territories and neither do they hv any military base in our country..But US does bomb pakistan and y do u think they remain silent..MAybe you will say coz ur allies…Nobody is blind,neither are you.. you are just pretending to have no sight..Coz u dont want those to be discussed..You are afraid, you are afraid of ur own deeds in the past..India is not your enemy , if u had a stable govt and stable military who doesnt neeed militants to back them up u could have atleast stood up to face our military..Remember India and Pakistan both got independence on the same day…But where does we stand now..Where is Pakistan, Y is Pakistan no match for india..Think dude..Forget abt Our relations wid china..We are the ones who suffer if our foriegn relations fail n we go to war or whatever..Please dont bother(just because it is irritating)..If it is so important to bother keep it your own creepy imagination..Just dont spill it online…
October 22nd, 2009 at 11:04 am
@vishal: Pakistan ke inner maslon ka hal tu Pakistan Army nikal rahi he, jo tumhare desh ke agents hen boht sarey pakre ja chuke hen, tum logon ko pehle din se pakistan bardasht nahi, isliye apne sikhon ko molvi bana ke hamare mulk me behj dete ho kiu ke ye tum jante ho ke hum ulma ka aehtram kerte hen, tumhare pandit tu bhoke mar rhe hen, rats ki worship kerte ho tum log, 40 tehreeken jo tumhare desh me chal rhi hen wo tumhe nazr nahi atin, pakistan me qadam bhi rakho ke tu wo qadam ke 100 tukre ker ke tumhare desh me pehnk denge or is bat ka tumhe bhi ilm he, ye baharti media khud ko boht takatwer dekhata he mager hakeekat me ye bhi janta he ke Pakistan kia chez he! Ghori missile puri baharat mata ki band bajane ke liye kafi he
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:24 pm
@Cibin:Right at the start you made a really good point in your favour, that you are no geek in external affairs, because your article clearly shows how naive view you have about the regional politics. Now I am wondering whether you ppl are actually that naive or you do it deliberately.
Dear neighbour, you need to understand the dynamics of the region you live in because the place is the epicenter of the world power politics and unfortunately/fortunately we are a part of it.We live in a world of changing alliances and now wars are not fought btw countries but btw power blocks eg.its not the US fighting against Afghanistan but the whole western powers (NATO) against the Al Qaeeda.
Now coming to your point that why does Pakistan show too much concern about the Indian developments in the region. the answer will become pretty simple if you put yrself in our boots. Sir, it was India who played a anchor role in disintegrating Pakistan into two and its again India who shook hands with us on our eastern border in 2003 and since then started a massive anti-Pakistan drive from our western border (i.e through Afghanistan) and trying level best to repeat the history created in 1971.The dynamics of the region cry out loud about the clear fact that India is a giant in size against Pakistan and so is its military and economy, and at the same time Pakistan has a clear cut minimum deterrance policy which means even our nukes will be used only if India does it first i.e self defence.The whole world saw that in 1998 India tested first and we did it in response to that, it was not our initiative. As many Indians rightly said that Pakistan has a struggling economy and law & order, it makes it clear that we dont afford any misadventure with India and will only hit back hard when India leaves no other option.You people also acknowledge that in the last decade or so India has progressed alot in terms of economy and military which makes its defence capabilities stronger than they ever were. This means India has no imminent threat from Pakistan in near future as we are busy cleaning our own mess. My question is, then why India is not concentrating on her own progress and success and rather investing heavily in a failed state like Afghanistan and making too many consulates near Pakistan’s border??Everyone knows Afghanistan is a landlocked country with absolutely no potential for any substantial imports or exports to India.Do you think by investing in Afghanistan so heavily India is doing any good to its economy or is it mere charity?? Charity seems more convincing, but dont you think charity begins at home! Doesnt the millions of poor Indians deserve those huge sums more than Afghanis.The only reason evident is that India is busy day n night in destabilising Pakistan through Afghanistan, and yet you expect us to mind our own business.What sort of attitude is this?? The Russians admit that it was a big mistake entering Afghanistan and even Americans have started plans for a roll back, then why is India dragging itself in the graveyard?? Are you minding your own business??
It is not Pakistan who is too worried about India but its the other way. Its the Indian ministers such as Mr.Chidambram who keep commenting about our internal issues and keep giving recommendations.No one from our side comments on India’s ever inflating internal problems, and we never recommend bharat to use its huge high tech military might against the rebels controlling about 40% of its districts.Its the Indian media who starts hue & cry over any military development in Pakistan which actually creates a lot of unnecessary fear among the Indians, without realising that India is way ahead in military buying than Pakistan. India is a member of BRIC which is the group of world’s LARGEST and FASTEST growing economies but India is still busy in regional politics against Pakistan rather than focusing on the global front.
October 22nd, 2009 at 7:32 pm
all rubbish…ghori missile main dum ho sakta hai, missile launch karne walo main nahi hai…
and kadam ki kya baat karta hai be,,,tere deshmain taliban aate hai rehte hai khate hai and tumhare hi desh ki laga jate hai….kiske ppair kata tune,,,,army headquater, marriot hotel, benazir butto, police acadamy, cricket team, bazar kuch toh nahi choda unhone,,,
10 antakwadi lahore main aate hai, high security bus pe hamla karte hai, and fir walking walking karke nikal bhi jate hai and tumhare hijdo ki fauj dekhti hi rehti hai…kya baat hai…
kaat na pair unke
jag yahan antankwadi pakde jate hai, puri duniya ke samne kabul karte hai wo ki they r pakis,,,tab to muh band ho jata hai…karachi jaise sheher main training milti hai and u say pakistan is not involved…
and dude ,,,hindustan ki taraf dekhna bhi nahi,,,kyu ki its not the armed forces only,,,,is desh ka har ek bacha tumhare pakistan ke liye bhari padega…..aur ye likhkar rakh le ya publish karwa de kahin,,,,,,hindustani muslim kabi apni bharat mata ke raksha main peeche nahi hota…..
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:26 am
@Randhawa:Your question is,why India is not concentrating on our own progress and success and rather investing heavily in a failed state like Afghanistan and making too many consulates near Pakistan’s border..Unfortunately or fortunately for us your answer lies just way ahead of your own question in your own comment ‘You people also acknowledge that in the last decade or so India has progressed alot in terms of economy and military which makes its defence capabilities stronger than they ever were’…hope u got my point.’Defence and Economy doenot grow by itselves’ and The billionaires or politicians cannot by themselves generate such a huge defence share.It requires the poor and hungry also to contribute n we do work hard rather than take up arms and join some so called ‘jihadi’ groups…India is a fast developing country and we do develop because our authorities(elected by us) do concentrate on education and improving our own life standards..We do use our resources and time to take measures to iradicate poverty and improve our underdeveloped areas..And we do spend on developing our neighbour nations because we know what can happen if we allow another of our neighbours to be captured back by militants and use it against us..We have enough threat from Pakistan and China to make us spend a huge share of our annual budget on defence.So we make our own efforts to try and make sure Taliban doesnt regain control over Afganistan, U think that is completely going to be achieved by military effort..Unless every country that can help provide infrastructure and better living standards to the citizens of Afganistan they will restart there old ways of making a living..And not because of our ‘love or passion’ for a better Afganistan but because of our fears of another hostile neighbour we make our efforts..Thats another point maybe someone can use later..Thats the truth guys and i am living with it..I previously asked this bloger to stop concentrating on India because it is purely visible his blog is trying far more to blame india than adddresing his own countrys issues…and u can easily make out the reason This is the best way to increase hits…If he discuss more about Pakistans issues his hits are only going to be from his own country..So Instead of addressing his own problems and foreign relation issues hes posting heated threads on our internal issues..And also about ‘Pakistans clear cut minimum deterrance policy’..dont forget India also has declared the same policy and is following it..So what is in it to be proud of that much..And in 1998 both the countries tested nuclear capabilities..Are you saying Pakistan did not possess nuclear capabilities until then and just after india conducted a nuclear test they thought abt having the same capability and the famous ‘A Q Khan’ came out with a nuclear solution..Common… so who testes it first is not really a big deal, both countries had the capabilities by then…So to conclude i wud say what i think this is a blog just aimed at hurting indian feeelings and push them to hit this url hard..Though i am doing it knowingly i am doing for a purpose, safeguarding my countries pride..n we will keep doing it until our last blood drop, No religion will stop us from it…
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:21 am
@Cibin: Although there is no point in dragging this debate because you people will continue with your rhetoric, but your reply further creates some more genuine questions in my mind.
India or any other country faces more threat from the immediate neighbors rather than neighbor’s neighbor, which in this case is Afghanistan.Now when it comes to your immediate neighbors they all complain that India finances rebels in their countries, has border disputes with China, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal aswell, and currently diverting waters of Pakistan and Bangladesh. Why doesnt India invest in its immediate neighbors from whom it faces imminent threats (If at all) and that would surely curb terrorism in the region by providing more economic opportunties to people. You know it very well that by blocking waters of agrarian neighbors all you will create is more poverty & drought and leading more youth volunteering to terrorism. Why does this imminent threat doesnt bother India and it rather invests in neighbor’s neighbor who share no border with her, thus lacking the imminent threat? India has 1 Consulate in Pakistan, 3 in Bangladesh, 1 in Nepal, 2 in Srilanka and 3 in China, but the facts from Afghanistan are really really deserve a thought.India has officially declared 14 Indian consulates in Afghanistan, and on ground they have 107 centers, and by any stretch of imagination their is no justification for that other for training and infiltrating terrorists into Pakistan. Before 2002 Pakistanis had not even known the word “suicide bomber” and it was since 2003 when India shook hands on our eastern border and launched massive attacks on us through Afghanistan where their embassies are hardly issuing mere visas.
On the nuclear issue, history is very straìght forward. Obviously enough, Pakistan dint create nuclear tech in a matter of days in 1998 but it was a result of a long struggle, but its a fact that Indian nuclear programme was initiated in 1967 whereas Pakistan’s had a go in 1972 under Zulfiqar Bhutto’s regime.So it was India’s initiation first and also tested them first,but Pakistan had to develop one for its survival and also had to test in response so that their is a balance of power, and it is the balance only which has eliminated the chances of a full scale war. Again you are being naive!
October 24th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
@Doc:
FART but no Shit. Lemme tell you that it is Piss that is the most popular among Indians. 
Lolz I like that
October 24th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
I am very happy to see this dialogue. I know it does not seem civilized but at least we are talking and venting ourseleves. this is a great platform. I commend Ibrahim Sajid Malick for giving us this opportunity.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:56 am
I am very pleased to learn indian views …. Because all of them stronly and firmly believes that they are The best and most superior nation than all neighbouring countries …. THIS IS THE MAIN SIGN FOR THEIR FINAL AND ULTIMATE DESTRUCTION ….
October 25th, 2009 at 4:06 am
listen…whoever u r!! it is unfair of u 2 be blaming india at every step…mind u pakistanis have a perpetual habit of poking kashmiris…dont force me 2 romp up points which maybe of unease 2 u pakistanis…u people exploit balochistan and push d problem onto us…one thing 4 sure..if india starts supporting balochis with weapons and money..u people will be doomed!! u already r fighting demon created by urself(read taliban al qaeda,lashkar)…d list is endless!!!!!!pakistan was created on an exclusionist agenda…homeland for muslims..!!! india is an inclusive state!!! wat an irony that india has created top notch missiles under the guidance of a revered muslim!!! DR.APJ ABDUL KALAM!!!!EX PRESIDENT OF THE PROUD REPUBLIC OF INDIA….the director general of our border security force is a muslim…sorry i stand corrected !!! he is an indian first!!! unlike pakistanis who say they r muslims first……..it must be known 2 u tht pakistanis r hated in d arab world as well!!! i have countless indian muslim frnds in the gulf countries!!! no point in comparing with each other!!! it was just a burst of patriotism!! but the fact is solving the problem is necesary!!! if we had to occupy ur land we would have done it in 1971 itself!! we would not have returned the 5000sq kms of land occupied in west pakistan.we would not have returned to u the 90000 prisoners of war!!no offence meant 2 anyone!! all tht i said above was just a burst of patriotism!!!solving d problems between us is primary everything else is secondary!!! @Maria:
October 25th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
No one is blaming India … How could a country claims survival after having hostile neighborhood like Pakistan, China, Bangladesh, Srilanka and Nepal. Are indians planning to start living on Mars or America…
I request all indian friends to please come on land and try to learn how to adjust with your neighbors.. America cant become your neighbor and pls atleast try to become a master of your own fate.
October 25th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
pras you must upgrade your bras because you are bursting with patriotism too much! Look above on this thread and read Hindustani Muslim. Cut and paste below so you don’t burst out of your bra again looking for the Hindustani Muslim
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According to Indian newspaper survey Muslims comprise only 5% of employees in India’s big government. The figure for Indian Railways, the country’s biggest employer, is only 4.5%.
Indian Muslims continue to have a paltry representation in the bureaucracy and police – 3% in the powerful Indian Civil Service, 1.8% in foreign service and only 4% in the Indian Police Service. And Muslims account for only 7.8% of the people working in the judiciary.
Indian Muslims are also largely illiterate and poor.
At just under 60%, the community’s literacy rate is lower than the national average of 65%. Only half of Muslim women can read and write. As many as a quarter of Muslim children in the age-group 6-14 have either never attended school or dropped out.
They are also poor – 31% of Muslims are below the country’s poverty line, just a notch above the lowest castes and tribes who remain the poorest of the poor.
To add to the community’s woes are myriad problems relating to “identity, security and equity”. They carry a double burden of being labelled as ‘anti-national’ and as being ‘appeased’ at the same time.
Historians say it is ironic that many Indians bought the Hindu nationalist bogey of ‘Muslim appeasement’ when it had not translated into any major socio-economic gain for the community.
So why has the lot of Indian Muslims remained miserable after six decades of independence?
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November 13th, 2009 at 3:58 am
India does not have good relationships with any of its neighbours…
so if war broke out.. china could use their influence to attack it from various fronts…
Indin with last few years of ecomonic development and western support (for their interests) is rushing for military power in region….. its high time it acts wisely n not to indulge anything wrong with pakistan or china..
we have seen the statments of Indian miltary n army chief on TV which were clear expression of their nervousness saying we can not compete with China at current stage… Indians even do not know that their nuclear technology is not fully developed.. either their missile technology is far far less then pakistan n china… India has miltary supperioty over pakistan but not against china..
India is playing proxy wars in baluchistan(Indian PM admitts it at Sharm-ul-Shiekh declaration), FATA as it did in east pakistan. but we unlike indians do not start crying when mumbai attack happened… we r strong nation n can reply.
India is playing the games of Europe n USA to stop chineese influence in asia n world.. but i must advice indians to think twice… these eurpeans will ruin india for their interest by using indians against china.. if god forbade indo-china war brokes out… india will be broken into peices bcoz most of the naxal states lies near china border. n militarily china has supermacy over India. also in state of war pakistan will also open kashmir front.
November 13th, 2009 at 4:27 am
bullshit pakistanis…..if u open any front your front as well as back will be closed by us you dont worry……..and being question of mumbai attacks your pakistani millitants were killed…unlike when atttacks in pakistan were they freely move away giving a slap on your faces………
advices should be applied to you first……..let the war break……you will see what India is and what indians are……..chinas 4 feet people cant do anything……it needs courage and love to save your country more than arms in a war….you have faced it specially in Kargil…….
beta bhik main mille kashmir ke tukde pe uchlo mat saalo……..jis din had paar kiye na………..to pakistan ko dhundte reh jaoge……….bhikari saale…….aukad main reh
November 13th, 2009 at 10:48 am
@PRAVEEN SHARMA: Indians really deserves a reward for their PROUD feelings that they killed few militants … who took whole “INCREDIBLE” india hostage for Fourrrrrrr – Fiveeeeeeeee days !!!!! …..
Pakistan is under terrible terrorism attacks and facing 9-11 everyday ..
This is really an ideal time time for us to test our dignity, tolarence, strength, grace and honor. Our believes and nerves are getting stronger day by day … Personaly I feel that we need violant and more fierce india to become more stronger within our souls … I also dont like that chineese shud involve between us … THIS SHUD BE BETWEEN US ONLY…
SO THANK YOU MY FRIEND —- AND KEEP IT UP
November 13th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
in simple words……..shlogan in 1947 – PAKISTAN JINDA BAAD…..
shlogan in 2009 – PAKISTAN SE JINDA BHAG
November 14th, 2009 at 12:20 am
@PRAVEEN SHARMA: indian and other nations shud pray that these people (militants) shud’t go to your homeland at any cost…..
Because, A very strong courage is needed to face that …
November 14th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
@bilal..
dude…ur talkin bout courage????
i knw for a fact dat u pakis r pissin in ur pants to get out of ur homes…
i wonder the way evry1’s blamin India for trouble in pak…well b4 taliban got out of ur hands it was we who were suffering wit terrorism..so we dont feel for u guys at all..!! it was isi n pak army who bred taliban n now they r facin the music!! gr8 work boys keep it up…!!
n bout the guy who was talkin bout the state of indian muslims….brother(if ur an indian), wat can the govt do if u don send ur kids to school man??u want them to go to madarsas n finally end up openin a garage. wats the need for u guys to ve 5,6,7,8 kids??? u guys sit n think bout it for urself…it’ll be good for the upliftment of ur community n our country!
JAI HIND!!
November 14th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
@all
n another thing i don understand is wat these pakis claim to ve better nuclear arsenal…u may ve 90 or more…remember India needs only 2 nuclear strikes n that cud put the existence of pak in serious doubts!!
n other thin i wanna ask my paki frns is dat wtf ru gonna achieve by havin better military arsenal?? guy ppl in ur country don ve access to basic necessities man…wtf ru gonna do by buildin ur arsenal??
wats more important for pakistan…peaceful survival or its ppl or arms race wit India??
now u reply to tis question like a broken record sayin India first started the arms race…but India also developes…n we still r….we r on the world scale…Indians r flourishin everywhere…wat ve u pakis ahcieved??
wrath of taliban!! thats it!!
November 14th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Hey…
Pakistan and China’s friendship has a lot of value besides acting as a logical measure to balance the situation with India/Afghan/American relations. It is also based on the fact that the countries have jointly developed their nuclear technologies; AQ Khan’s recent statements have revealed more about this. China has a strategic interest in having access to Pakistan as an energy corridor, source of raw materials, as a trade partner and market for it’s goods, as a partner in regional security, as a means of access for both security (naval) and trade/energy reasons to the Persian Gulf (via the port project of Gwadar). Chinese govt strategies regarding industry and manufacturing actually include Pakistan as part of their plans, as they plan to move certain low-value-added manufacturing to Pakistan in an effort to move up the value-added chain. In the future, Pakistan will be among the largest economies in the world; even the biased publications of the west have to admit that this will happen at the latest some time in the middle of the coming century. It is a regional power; you cannot have a sensible discussion on either South Asia or the Middle East without mentioning Pakistan. It is one of the most important Muslim nations, and Pakistan has outperformed India economically except for during the period that our security situation has really put that into question.
The United States will use India, and turn it into a port for it’s own trade and security purposes.
And yes, India has given both countries further reasons to ally themselves, by being an aggressive, irresponsible and hostile member of the region; a really poor example for a country who assumes it will be defacto leader of the world based on it’s size and the fact that is has a few call centers, some pathetic missiles. The only really powerful tools India has are it’s size, Bollywood, and political and educational systems that promote violent, hateful nationalism.
And for all of you who doubt Pakistan’s success as a home for Muslims… think about it… Pakistani Muslims are richer than Indian Muslims. THAT’S A FACT. They lead more dignified, healthy, and free lives in Pakistan than they would in India. The average Pakistani earns about the same per capita income as the average Indian, whereas the Indian Muslim earns less than the average Indian HIndu. So, Pakistan’s creation was a success.
Oh yeah, and I and everyone I know who has visited India is shocked at how dirty and crowded and messed up it is compared to Pakistan!!! Tell me where in India is there a city like Islamabad, which is the most developed city in South Asia!? Ask any Indian who has been there! Or even Lahore… our slums and lower middle class areas are like your wealthy areas.. you have a few rich people building houses in areas that we wouldn’t even want to raise our animals in! So don’t talk about Pakistan’s level of development. Life in India is not like Bollywood wants to portray it… you can try and fool others but those who have seen it know… when foreigners go to India, even to places like Goa which have made commendable efforts to shape up for tourism, they can’t stand the trash and smells and poverty. It exists in Pakistan too, but muchhhhhh much less.
Oh, and yeah, Pakistan was the means through which China and the US started to build relations after a long time. So, whatever relationship China has with the US, it is thanks in large part to Pakistan. Nothing to do with India. India likes to think it’s at the middle of everything Pakistan does. It is true that your aggressive policies force us to react, that is only natural, you geniuses. But we do not react because we are obsessed about India, we react because we are obsessed with Pakistan’s success, and realize that she has a large, lame enemy next door, an aggressive, blind nation ruled by nationalistic idiots who put their country’s short term goals before their religion and any other morale values, a DANGEROUS feature you might also notice in Communists, Nazis/ other Fascists.
I find it strange that Indians wonder why Pakistan might be obsessed with India when your government desperately tries to use most of its diplomatic engagements with other countries (US, Afghanistan, Russian, Iran) as a means to antagonize and marginalize Pakistan… who’s really obsessed? Did we initiate this all?
You guys need to stop being so bitter about the past. India and Pakistan cannot succeed without each other, period. The more you work against Pakistan’s success, the more you ensure that you will remain far behind China in every aspect of human endeavor.
November 14th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
salam walekum usman bhai,
i dont know that which cities have you been in my India….i live in nagpur………it is one of the greenest cities in the world and also awarded as one of the greenest cities…ofcourse we have the biggest slum…..but our slum dogmillioners wins oscars……..and which muslims are you talking about………a.r.rehman is a muslim, he sung a song ‘vande matram’ which is placed as the 2nd best song in the world…………what do you have dude……….you should hear the song……..i will post it to you…..give me your address……….we had our president a muslim……….most of the actors are muslim……..we had muslims in our cricket team, hokey and everywere……..the difference is that we never differenciate on the basis of caste, which you made your weapon against india……in mumbai attacks the muslim organisation disallowed to bury the bodies of pakistan originated terrorist claiming them as enemies of allah…..this is indian muslim……….and i suppose you must be remembering the incidence when a maulana fucked your musharraf when he was in india in front of the world media for speaking against india……this is indian muslim……….i have an ample of friends in muslim community…..we celebrate diwali, iid, holi together…..the visit temples, i visit dargah,,,,,this is india………..let me know any one such incidence in your pakistan………
and dude,,,we are not working against pakis success….we have our own life….when we develop u take it that we are going against you…no past……….just 10 years ago……if you want to succeed….just ask you govt. that why was kargil fought………now dont say that India started it……..world knows the truth……….
if india wanted to go against pakistan…..india will any time stop the water of rivers flowing to pakistan from india…..but dude we are humans……..not pakistani……i pitty on the common man of pakistan……..
jameen hadapne pehi rehte ho……jitna bhik main milla hai pehle use sambhalo bhikari………
and yas,,,ofcouse visit me here and i will assist you for bharat darshan….we will go to visit tajmahal, banglore, noida, gurgaon, chandigarh, himalayas, goa, haridwar, amarnath yatra………then you will be the one to say…………………Incredible India…………….JAI HIND
November 15th, 2009 at 9:40 am
@nikhil n @Parween aunty
well we u speak about india hitting paksitan with two nuclear bombs r enough.. i think u do not have knowledge of anything n most importantly about nuclear bombs i tell u how nuclear bombs will be used in case of war…
what if any country india or pakistan lanches nuclear attack against the other man.. they ll not through one or two… in any case both countries ll make sure that after their nuclear strike other country does not stand in a position to respond… so update urself with some knowldge.. before saying anything foolish n stupid as u r… hahahha
about kashmir.. we paksitanis liberated half kashmir from ur illegal occupation. we would ve liberated whole terriority but ur PM then showed his ass n ran away to UN where he pleaded that he ll give right to kashmiris to determine their destiney either they want to join pakistan or India.. but he never kept his promise.. as all indians r liers their media, thier journalists their politicians n so on… lolz.
About we fighting against Taliban or vice verse.. it ll never happen the ppl we r fighting with r not taliban they r hardcore criminals/hitmen who r paid by indians n israelis n americans to fight against us. n we r beating their backs we beated them in swat n now north waziristan..
INDIANS WE R AFTER U WE R COMMING….. SOON DELHI FORT WILL BE DECORATED WTIH PAKISTANI FLAGS.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:50 am
@Zaraq: AABE BHADVE,,,,,,,,,,HISTROY CLASS MAIN FAIL HUA HAI LAGTA HAI TU……………JAKE APNE BAAP SE PUCH KASHMIR MAIN KISNE MARI THI KISKI………SAMJHA NA………………………………DELHI FORT KA TO NAHI PATA……….OUR ASS ARE DECORATED WITH YOUR FLAG……………PEHLE APNE DESH MAIN SWAT MAIN FLAG LAGAKE DIKHAO……..HIJDO………….BADE AAYE SAALE……………KADAM TO RAKH SAALE DELHI FORT MAIN …….TERI YAAD MAIN EK AUR TAJ MAHAL BANADENGE………………..CHAADI MAIN REHNA N CHADII MAIN HI HUGNA…………..NUCLEAR CHODO SAALO………TUJHE TO KANPAT SE HI SULA DENGE BE…………47 SE LEKAR AAJ TAK………..AUR AAGE BHI KUCH NAHI KAR PAOGE……………SALE………….SALE….PAKISTAN ON SALE………………..PEHLE INDIA, FIR US AND AB CHINA……………BHIK MAIN HI PALO SALO………………..KABHI DEVELOPMENT PE SOCHO TAB PATA CHALEGA KAHAN HO TUM…………….HUMARA GOA TAK TUMHARE PAK SE JYADA BEHTAR HAI……………………HARAMI SAALA
November 15th, 2009 at 10:12 am
kitni piyari piyaari batain kar di tum nay.. heheheheh
apni aukaat dheka di na apni zabaan say…
yehi ho tum log.. chand py bhi phonch jao na… aisay he raho gy..
agar kashmir mai tum logo nay hamay maara hota tu azad kashmir hamary pass 62 saal say kia karaha hai.. pata nahi tum logo ko history mai kia purhtay hai.. khiar tum log jo purhtay ho wo bhi hamay pata hai sherni tumari maa hai.. cow tumari bhugwaan maata hai.. bandar tumaray bhagwaan hai… pata nahi
or ainda say iss forum py zabaan sunbhaal k baat karna….
November 15th, 2009 at 10:46 am
@Zaraq: jiase hai na tu tujhse usi jaban main baat karenge saale………bhagwaan ki kya baat karta hai……….yeha ke insan tere liye bhari hai be………history pad kamine…….kashmir mian tum ho kyu ki UN ke karan galti kardiya PM ne……cease fire ka…….warna aaj tu nakshe main nahi dhund pata tha apne hijro ke ghar pakistan ko
November 15th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
It is always amusing to see comments from across the border. I accept that a lot of Pakistanis boast about the country and its capabilities but the same holds true for Indians as well.
And the biggest example of a dumb-ass, shriveled brained Indian (I am NOT accusing any other Indian, just one ONLY because of the language used and I am extremely bad tempered for such idiots) is Praveen Sharma. I think it was better for you to go to Madrassah for studies, at least they would be taught you better language even if you don’t have better manners.
Take your patriotism and shove it up in any of the open holes you have, that’s where it is deserved to be. You talk about EVERY SINGLE INDIAN ready to shed blood? Dude, a country whose military cannot help but boost of imaginary victories is hardly expected to deliver anything substantial.
In Kargil conflict a soldier was awarded with your highest gallantary award (given to those who give their lives to preserve the country) and later to your own shame he turned out alive !! Wow, in earnest to show gallantry you forgot the part of foolishness. Then again some of the units claimed imaginary victories against Pakistan Army which later turned out false and the shame your politicians and army had to bear … always dreaming and imagining, just like Bollywood. Why can’t you get out of your Dramas?
But off-course, the same old rhetoric of WINNING WARS. Wow, that’s a news to hear every time with the same old shit said over and over. Kashmir war … you WON? Simple minded Pathan Tribesmen and ill-equipped and trained Mujahideen kicked the Indian ass around until they had to beg ceasefire and retain the land occupied by bullying Maharaja of Kashmir that time. Ever since then the wars have been a bad dream of yours. The wars of 1965 and 1971 have seen the Indian Airforce getting a kick in the rear with Pakistan having an edge at both ground attacks and aerial combats … don’t think its boast, your own authors (Jagan Mohan and Samir Chopra) have recently broken myths at both ends and brought into notice the IMAGINARY kills by decorated Indian pilots.
What a shame !! You never learn, do you? Stories, imaginations and dramas should be left for books and silver screen and not to be practiced in real life. You’re army is so scared shit that they have to IMAGINE their victory, make up a story and claim the award … What a shame.
And on top of it all, see the BOASTING … AIK AIK BANDA MARNAY KO TAYYAR HAI .. to mar jao na, yahan kharay kharay bhonknay ka kia faida. Jo garajtay hain woh barastay nahi, so stop talking shit and start making sense.
Nakshey main nahi dhond patay? What a dumb ass statement. You really think India could have annihilated Pakistan? Dude you tried twice and failed. Now you have the nukes but do you have the balls? Oops, sorry. Forgot about your eunuch factor … my bad, can’t keep track of things in the ant like population of your country. I am surprised you can actually remember the names of your states and number of languages spoken despite being sabzi-khor and no meat. You would have stopped dreaming of being an Aryan only if you had eaten something more substantial once in a while, jack-ass.
For everyone else, no offence to Indians. If any Indian takes offence, he/she would sure be an idiot, close-minded, broken-down piece of shit because my comments are only for those. For the enlightened ones, you’re welcome for enlightened discussion.
November 15th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
@Wasio Abbasi: mr. it seems you havent read my previous comments. go through them. the language is better than yours. but when provoked it comes our as u did. ok
and being of history forget it, we know it what was it, and u will never except it…….
so let me know why are majority of the millitants are muslim and why are most of them connected to pakistan??
when ajmal kasab’s home was tracked by your geo tv journalist how can he be not pakistani, as well the place were they were trained was shown. now say india funded the geo tv of pakistan…………boss india have its own problems and not so much of money to fund in the bullshit things as what you do………what kind of developments goes out in you country except for the nuclear generation…….?why is the world shouting against pak……..?why is your cricket team banned in majority countries……………..? your ans for this would be because they are afraid of playing aginst your team……….why any country not coming to yours for the same………………?isnt it a big shame dude……………….
till the time taliban attacked pak, your govt never did anything against them on such a level…………what they are doing today………….if the problem of millitants is real and no hand of pak in it…….then both of our countries should come together in this point but what then………….you would say that india goes agains pak,,,,no dude we are the peace lovers………….but we do always your army crosses the border????all wars are fought on indian soil…….this shows its you who started not we…………now same thing china is tring to do……..you have your problems and the solution is not to write against us but to work on it…….same applies to us…….but remeber who started here as well….MR. IBRAHIM SAJID MALICK (PAKISTAN FOR PAKISTANIS) now in this were is pakistan and what for pakistanis……..creating more hatred between the people of the two countries……..
dude, war is never won by any one, may be the victory of any, its always the defeat of humanity……but whats the option when someone attacks your country……….its always the love shown by us as put us in trouble, british, mughal and pakistan as well and now china………how the hell can china claim arunachal pradesh as theres…………….
when we hear about the daily bomb blasts in pak, we too here get sad for the common people who get thrshed same as here in india…………
but what for……to fight on this shit blog………..why cant malick write of the points of love between the two countries…………..when the paki baby was treated in india and got a new life, the way pak arranges for the sikhs visit in their country……….why it has to always come to enemity………..
now dont think that i changed my voice for you……..my previous comments stated the same dude…………i have always said that war is not the solution to any problem it has to end………..so why cant we good with each other………………..the politicians from both the sides just has to lite and the fire destroys the common people of the nation………….
what say
November 15th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
I don’t care if you moderated your tone for the sake of saving face or another drama, my aim was to bring a civil discussion that’s all that matters.
For your points about Ajmal Kasab, shall I first ask about army officer who had bombed Pakistanis to death and was released right after the death of Karkare? What the hell is he doing outside the jail when there is ample proof that his actions disrupted peace process and killed innocents from neighboring country?
India doesn’t have money to fund such projects? Sorry but tell this tale to someone else who will be willing to believe it. It is the focus of every intelligence agency to infiltrate the target country and cause destructive events when needed. ISI does the same for India, RAW does it for Pakistan … no exception. India has problems but it will surely take advantage of Pakistan’s weakness when most of its energy is focused on tribal belt and getting this war on terror reach a conclusive point. Its an exchange of greetings by bombing each other, reminding that the enmity exists and no one can do anything about it. Do you think here we were DANCING when Mumbai was seized for 3 days and hotel the was ablaze with fire and blood? No sir no, we were watching the screen with horror as to what has happened and how innocents have been murdered meaninglessly.
As for Cricket team, it is not banned in EVERY country. The only ban is in India where it is not being allowed to play (obviously security reasons and the after-effects of Mumbai attacks) while the Pakistanis in their own country are not safe, how can foreign teams would be especially after the attack on SriLankan team? That’s the main factor keeping foreign teams away from Pakistan and it is an OPEN truth, not something hidden or some DRAMA being played.
The militants have their own motive and if you REALLY read history, you would know they were bred for one single purpose … to destroy USSR … and they did a wonderful job of it. Now these militants have turned against their creators, CIA and the US, and thus this war has begun consuming everyone and Pakistan is at the forefront of the brunt. Our beautiful city of Swat is in shambles, the tourism is all time low and we are not safe in any part of the country due to security reasons and no one knows who around them can blow up any time. The youth have to avoid going to concerts for fear of bomb blast, the mothers are fearful to go to market places for fear of bomb blast, the men are fearful of going to mosques for fear of bomb blast, the educated are stumbling around when going to universities for fear of bomb blasts … you think we are ENJOYING all this? Try being in our shoes and then blow your fog horn over the internet. We aren’t jokers making each other’s fun and anticipating who will die when, where and by which suicide bomber. We are normal people with normal problems with normal families and normal lifestyle … we just don’t have normal atmosphere to survive and neither do we enjoy seeing others suffer. We get precious few things to smile for and World cup victory was one of them. We are praying for our soldiers, sons of Pakistan, who are going to kill to kill militants. Do you think they are always killing the right people? Do you think there is collateral damage? Are we happy seeing our sons of soil killing our sons of soil, Pakistanis killing Pakistanis, Defenders killing civilians, Army killing Pashtuns/Pathans? Are we happy that innocents around the mad militants are killed?
We are living a life that we won’t even ask to be given to our enemies, so don’t count us low just because you feel like it. But if you will use the language (for whatever reason) against my country and countrymen, then be ready to get blown apart. You can NEVER be a bigger critic of Pakistan than me myself and I simply tear apart the politicians, army and business people here for their wrong doings but I am equally lethal if it is said against my country and people with such language. If you still doubt, just Google my name and you will see the truth for yourself.
And don’t worry, I had read your comments and had no interest to participate. I only did because I don’t enjoy such comments being passed for my country.
November 15th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
that better…….every one feels the same for their country…better consuntrate on the development of your own country………you be any one no need to google…..can be a friend of mine no issues……..we both think the same for our countries………let us consuntrate on our development……………..
no issues then………..
even i get tempered when any thing wrong said for my country………n i have no complaints if you get the same temprament…….i would respect that………….
but we should mind our own issues
November 15th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
TOO PERVEEN SHERMA
MERA KHIAL HAY YEA, KHOTAY, GADHAY, GAIE, BHAINS KO POOJNAY WALAY , UNKY PEESHAB KO CHOOMNAY WALAY, DIRTY LOG DIRTY ZABAN HI USE KER SAKTAY HAIN, HAIN NA SHERMA, KABI TOU HIJRA KEHTA HAY, KABHI KIA BURA BHALA KEHTA HAY, ABAY O SUN PLOTONIUM BASED BOMB HAY PAKISTAN KAY PASS OR SATH MAIN CRUISE MESSILES BHI HAIN, AB INDIA KI PUCH PUCH KER RAHI HAY ISI LIAY TOU WO PAKISTANI ATOM BOMB SY DARTAY HAIN, ARAY YEA ATOM BOMB CHAL KAY HI RAHAYGA, IS PE INDIA KA HI NAAM LIKHA HAY, ITS ONLY SOLUTION OF INDIAN DISEASE, U KNOW SARI DUNYA ISLAMI BOMB SY DERTI HAY, TUMHARAY KUTTAY , BANDAR KI SHAKAL MAIN BUTOON KO POOJNAY WALAY INDIAN BAYCHARAY PRYSHAN HAIN, AMERICA KI GOUD MAIN BAITH KER ATOM BOMB BANANAY WALAY, INDIA SHAID JANTA NAHI KAY YEA PAKISTAN KITNA STRONG COUNTRY HAY, ABAY O SUN JO AMERICA, ISRAEL, ISAF AND NATO PAKISTAN KA KUCH NAHI BIGAAR SAKA TOU INDIA KIA JHANTAY CHOOM LAY GA PAKISTAN KI, TU SHAID ABHI BACHA HAY, TU SABAR KER LAY KASHMIR BHI HAMARA HAY. YEA MULK SIRF OR SIRF HINDUON, KO KHATAM KERNAY LIAY BANA HAY, DAIKHTA JA TUMHARAY SATH KERTAY KIA HAIN, ABHI FORCE READY HAY THORA SA WAIT KER LAY MERI LAAL TUMHARAY SATH HOTA KIA HAY HAAL JAANIE BREAK KAY BAAD, PAKISTAN KI FAZAON MAIN URTAY SHAHEEN SIRF INTIZAAR MAIN BAITHAY HAIN ATOM BOMB KAY SATH ,BAS THORA SA TIME WAIT KER LOU PHIR TUMHARI MARI JAIEGI, USA, NATO CHALI JAIEN PHIR TUMHARAY SATH AFGHANISTAN MAIN KIA BANTA HAY DAIKHNA , HINDUSTAN KI EENT SY EENT BAJA DAINGAY. DUSHMANO TUM NAY KIS KOM KO LALKARA HAY, LALKARA HAY. YEA ATOM BOMB HAY PAKISTAN NAHI, HUMARA YAKEEN HY KAY MOUT KISI BHI WAKT AA SAKTI HAY MAGR INDIA, USA KO ISRAEL KO TABAH KER KAY HI DUM LAINGAY INSHAALLAH. AMERICA KI GOUD MAIN BAITH KER PHOO PHA KERNAY WALO, TUMHARAY SATH KERTAY KIA HIAN YEA DAIKHNA ZARA.
CRUSIE MESSILES, ( JO INDIAN MEDIA KEH RAHA HAY NA, KAY READY FOR LAUNCH HAIN)
J-10, JF 17 & JF 18, F-16, JO KAY DUNYA MAIN MASHORR HAIN WO SIRF WAIT KER RAHAY HAIN, AIE TOU SAHI, HIMAT HAY TOU ATTACK KER PHR JAWAB DAIKHA, TUM KUTTAY OR BANDAR KI POOJA KERNAY WALAY KUCH NAHI KER SAKTAY , SIWAIE PEECHA HATH RAKH KER BHAGNAY OR AMERICA SAY MADAD KI APPEAL KAY, INDIA NAY RUSSIA SY KAHA KAY INHAIN FIGHTER PLANE ENGINE NA DIAY JAIEN, MGR INDIA KI BAND KER DI RUSSIA NAY, INDIA NAY KAHA KAY PAKISTAN KI MADAD NA KI JAIE, SAMAN NA DIA JAIE PER AMERICA NAY BHI KICK MARI PACHWARAY INDIA KAY, CHINA AND PAKISTAN KA AIK DUSHMAN HAY MIL KER LARAINGAY BAY FIKER HO JA TERAY TOTAY NA URA DIAY TOU KAHEIN.
November 16th, 2009 at 5:15 am
@DUDE: TERE BAAP KO PADAY YEH USE BHI NAHI SAMJHEGA KYA LIKHA TUNE……….chal jake ab apne baap ko dhund
November 16th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
@ Praveen
We do mind our own issues but the problem is that both countries interfere with each others issues and that results in entanglement of the problem. Indians blames Pakistan for their problems and Pakistanis blame India for theirs, its a cycle that won’t end, I guess not even after solving Kashmir issue.
Development in Pakistan is not so easy as it should be. There are too many looters who are willing to strip people of their lawfully earned money, consume the foreign Aide money like drinking water and still escape law one way or the other. There are too many powerful variables to consider when thinking about development and raising your voice is an easy way to get yourself noticed and killed. Even cyber space is not safe because once you come into the tracking system you can be jailed easily on the flimsiest piece of evidence (in fact no evidence, on just bare hunch) for 14 years.
Political parties are no less savage when they think you are against them. The less said the better. I believe the situation is same, if not worse, in many parts of India and how else to let out your steam? Blame the neighbor … if you don’t find any blame, just start abusing and you get a fun match to watch as each side comes to defend their own views and philosophy. We’re just pawns being kicked around for fun by the wealthy and powerful, who have swiss accounts loaded with billions and pockets full of instant cash that can be reimbursed on short notice by looting the people. The biggest example is our OUTSOURCED leadership sitting comfortably on its buttocks in UK and creating havoc in the lives of peace-seeking people via telephone. Don’t know what mistakes our ancestors made that led to such crappiest people coming to power in both countries and forced the true leaders to either watch silently as spectators or meet God on short and urgent notice, never to return back.
Its a headache to see where we started and where we landed, fighting like leashed dogs on hire when we lived peacefully side by side for centuries.
November 17th, 2009 at 4:38 am
@Wasio Abbasi:
dude wasio…i guess ur the mose sane-est n most sound pakistani ive evr cum across in ma lyf.
i respect ur views. but i guess its time u also do it frm ur side..jus look at the d scraps frm sum of ma pakistani frnds..they abuse hindus, sayin v drink cow’s piss n shit loads of other stinkin abuses on religion…
has any indian done dat on ur part..??? “NO”
look i knw u guys hate indians..but don get into the religion politics.
we luv Muslims…Indian Muslims but u guys ve always failed to understand dat..
u always believe attrocities r done to muslims here, but dats not the case.
I knw ur proud to be a muslim n a pakistani, y don u ppl do sumthin to stop ur countrymen gettin into jehad??!!??
i guess if u sit back n think, u’ll realise hw badly the image of ur community n country is malligned by these “so called FREEDOM FIGHTERS”.
jus see wat kasab had to say in court…”MY DAD SOLD ME TO LET”. now isnt dat worrysum for u as a pakistani dat these jehadi grps can pick up any poverty ridden family’s member??? these guys ve done the same in my country too!! n dats the sole reason y v hate our neighbour, not the ppl of pakistan but these isi, military n jehadis.
i don knw if u were in grief or in joy wen u saw mumbai attacks, but v here certainly feel the latter to ve been persisted n its vice versa frm ur side( but obvious).
i guess the main problem lies in the roots of ur educational system bro (tis may piss u off). cuz once CNN reported dat the history of partition is falselt taught in ur books, so dat tis will develope hatred towards us frm the time a vhild goes to skool. i feel dats more worrysome than the probs of our politicos, terrorism, corruption.!
November 17th, 2009 at 4:56 am
@Wasio Abbasi:
n dude one more thing…u say u’ve had enuff of these terrorist strikes in ur country??!!??
its gonna be the 1st anniversary of mumbai attacks,,,n wat has ur country done??!!????? “POSTPONE THE TRIALS OF THE ACCUSED” !!
do u think in the wildest of ur dreams dat ur country will stop terrorism if these jehadis r not tries n brought to book???
how dude??? how??
November 17th, 2009 at 5:20 am
@nikhil: My dear friend … terrorits in Pakistan have better arms and resources than Pakistan Army .. who is financing them ??? … Can you belive that ISI n Pak Army is financing these guys to ruin them. Who is doing that?
Indian fathers were strongest supporter of phalestine cause… Whole world is against USA aggression in Iraq and Afghanistan. India is a biggest allie of these two countries in this region. India as a big country of this region shud take a leading role … either to stop these countries to interfere in this region or to help them if india consider that they are abslutely right. Why dont india send its army in afghanistan in order to conrol these terrorists??
Things are not going to right directions ?? someone will have to suffer if something went wrong. Why dont we sit and solve our problems without interfering any third party?
November 17th, 2009 at 5:39 am
@Nikhil… Dear look i m calling u dear.. nice to see u speaking with some facts n in better language then before… i really appreciate if both sides instead abusing each other…
well i do not know about others but i didnt intend to abuse ur religion.. i was discussing the logics. so an example i put the example of u Hindo religion that they do such practices. but i take my words back. hopefully ur soul is pleased with my this action.
u spoke about Kasab.. it was our media who acted with full responsibility and admitted that the kasab is Pakistani national. can u quote any single example at ur side of media acting against government will.. n governments have complex decsions to take.. our government was also aware he lived there but since he does not have ID card so government needed further proves to clerify its nationality anyways..
about CNN.. i do not know the name of Zee TV founder but he was addressing the seminar in India… i saw it on ur News Channel that American and western media is still not free they r controlled by their respective governments but they do lecture other countries on freedom of media.. americans lectures whole world about market economy but they ve not opened their strategic areas for international investors..
so their governments starts the case first through media then their politicians speak about those topics live example r Iraq where media were bombing with the proofs of WMD so now american media is against pakistan.. they want to break pakistan, they r afraid of our nuclear technology so naturally for that they r amusing india bcoz they want to use it….
u quoted ajmal kasab saying that his father sold him for money.. dear if i lock u in a well furnished room for 7 days n do not allow u meet, see or speak anybody u ll confess far more things then Ajmal Kasab did.. i m not backing him up for what he did.. but i m telling u the logic that ppl who r in such isolation they tend to do suicide often, they get mentally sick too like ur intelligence agencies send few pakistani after years of jail in india.. they even did not know their name.. they were mentally destabilized… we set free Kashmir singh who was arrested for spying as a goodwill gesture.. after his release he gave public confession that he was indian spy n who much he used to charge indian gov. etc.. Sarbajeet singh would ve been released by pakistani government (till now he is in pakistani jail n who is convicted in lahore bomb case…)but due to his pubic confession the public roar is against such favours to indian spy like sarbajeet singh… we Pakistanis has bigger hearts then u …give one example where india acted like a big nation.. where she helped her neighbors.. not a single Indian neighbor is happy from indian government this was what the logic behind this article…
Today’s news is hopeful n lets cross our fingers indian-pakistan have started back-door diplomacy over kashmir again.. see what happens..
the point to make,india speaks about Pakistan army n ISI rule in government affairs. Manmohan Sigh in previous negotiations with paksitan admitted pakistan’s right over Siachin n he was about to withdraw its troops from there.. but ur army chief intervened and staled who processes. well it was unfortunate act, it could be biggest CBM from india.. so armys play rule everywhere..dude if u want i can tell u the source of this information too.. Indian writer wrote this article.. http://www.saag.org. u ll see no of articles their against Pakistan.. heheheh
i ll urge to reply me some information… I’ve no doubt over ur patriotism.. such hoax attitude not gonna help either of us. after few years this current generation will be leading both countries. so we must go for conflict resolution.. do not involve India in “The Great Game”…
take care
November 17th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
@ Nikhil
Wish I could have replied you but as I can see, Zaraq did a prompt and better job of it. What I can say is to defend your views the way you have always been doing. Take the idiots head on who call you names and abuse you. Praveen used strong words and I used similar to counter, same would work on your part as well. It’s a sub-continental problem. Jab tak bai-izzat na kia jai, izzat ka khayal nahi ata.
Always keep chosen words to silence idiots but use them sparingly. The more you’ll use, the more they will get common and more resistant and prepared will be the opposition be.
November 18th, 2009 at 5:10 am
@Zaraq Khan, wasio abbasi
thnx for using the word “dear”.
anyways mate, my other comment is still awaiting moderator permission so i guess u din evry thin i wanted.
so u said u give sum1 a plush room for 7days n they’ll confess..?? i suppose ahfiz syed was done on dat..n the odr alleged suspects r also being given that luxury in pakista..that lakhvi guy..y don they confess?? n if at all they’ve done, y doesn ur police or govt come out wit a statement??
n dude one more thing…u say u’ve had enuff of these terrorist strikes in ur country??!!??
its gonna be the 1st anniversary of mumbai attacks,,,n wat has ur country done??!!????? “POSTPONE THE TRIALS OF THE ACCUSED” !!
do u think in the wildest of ur dreams dat ur country will stop terrorism if these jehadis r not tried n brought to book???
how dude??? how?? how will u instigate a fear in the hundreds of ur youths being brain washed n to do these unhuman activities to only get praise by god in heaven??!!
n d other point u said bout ur media doin a gr8 job in locatin kasab’s house…
dude i watched on an indian news channel on 27th nov 08, one of ur most prominent meadia person, editor of a news agency i suppose,HAMID MIR, she said” HINDUSTAN MEIN PATAKA BHI PHAT TA HAI, TO USKA BLAME PAKISTAN PAK UTHAYA JAATA HAI!!”
though after watchin successive episodes of Mr Mir, it was then wen his channel finally broke the story of kasabs pakistani origin. i applaud ur media for doin wat they’ve done after tis came out.
n about u sayin dat i’ve spoken more dignified manner now, i suppose u haven’t read my previous comment at all. i’ve nvr been harsh on ur country in my whole comment, may be a section of it n u knw the reason y…n if ur talkin bout my comment on the nuclear arsenal of india n pakistan…then dude read the other half of my comment n then comment.!
November 19th, 2009 at 2:13 am
@zaraq khan
dude one more thing…u said india has nvr helped any of its neighbours…
tell me one simple thing..if 2 of ur immediate neighbours wannt to snatch ur home…will u go n help them wen they r in need??!!?? n dude if u do so…ur god not human..n dats the prob v face against pakistan n china, both of u r wantin u destabilize us.. wat can v do?? we cannot jus keep givin our land to whoevr demands……will u if tmrw afghanistan comes n tells u NW frontier
(or which evr is af-pak border cuz my geography sucks) is ours will u jus give it away???
November 20th, 2009 at 5:39 am
Salams to all… I am a Pakistani and quite nationalist at that…
I have read portions of this blog … It reminds me of what I used to hear when I was in school… It seemed that were going to war with India in the morning and by lunch we would have invaded that country…
Reality is a little different… India does not have a reason to be nervous at the time… It is being pitched by the US and Israel (with all the dollar-printing power in the world)…They are trying to “contain” China’s influence (if that is possible with and introvert society anyway)… For this to work they need numbers… China has 1 billion+ souls… India has one billion+ souls… They will build India to be a threat to China… and then watch the show from a distance…
As far as Pakistan is concerned, we are the counterweight to India in this region. Our role in the region is the same than that of India w.r.t China. We fight India while China sits and watches the show.
Also Pakistanis don’t tolerate any attack on their dignity (me too)… Please grow up guys and be a little more respectful if you want to logically argue… This is not a Indo-Pak hate blog.
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:09 am
@M. Najeeb:
dude if pakistani’s don tolerate attack on their dignity, we’re no different.
n the worse, u guys speak bout religion. an idiot on top wrote hidu’s drinks the piss of cows. sud v tolerate dat??
no indian every commented on the practices of muslim community. shall i talk bout them??
we r more dignified in many ways than our neighbors, so v dont do such idiotic bashing on religion, cuz every one has a right to choose his own religion
u guys think every INDIAN MUSLIM is a WANNABE PAKISTANI.!! dats exactly wr u guys r wrong.
November 23rd, 2009 at 4:37 am
@ Nikhil
Shinnind India Developed Country by 2020 ( Dreams and building castle in air by sitting on american tail. Shame on Indian Big democracy this is indian revenue generation sector selling daughter’s and wives to lender’s in india. CNN Said
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-356815
Kathmandu Police bust Indian-run sex racket in Kathmandu (Lead)
Read more: http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world-news/police-bust-indian-run-sex-racket-in-kathmandu-lead_100273164.html#ixzz0XgAxQKGk
Indian’s budding sex empire in Nepal busted
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world-news/indians-budding-sex-empire-in-nepal-busted_100273102.html
Emraan Hashmi can’t get a house in Mumbai because he is muslim. ( This is Indian muslim and shaggy democracy). shaggy india not shining india
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Emraan-Hashmi-cant-get-a-house-in-Pali-Hill/articleshow/4839633.cms
Farmers sell wives to pay debts in rural India ( shining india not more)
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/10/22/india.farmers.selling.wives/index.html
Developed Country 2020 by Indians
Report exactly about indian lathargic and pity situation
Agri_oriented India has farmers selling wives to money-lenders.
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-356815
Pandemonium in Indian Lok Sabha over Babri mosque report.
To kill muslims is basic aim of indian lok sabha.
The row over the Liberhan Commission of Inquiry into the 1992 Babri Masjid demolition led to the Lok Sabha adjournment until 12 noon Monday after opposition members boycott the session following eruption of uproar in the house.
While the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) demanded that the report be tabled in the house, following a media report that the Liberhan Commission has indicted senior party leaders, including Atal Bihari Vajpayee and L.K. Advani, Home Minister P. Chidambaram said there had been no leakage of the report.
There was only one copy of the report and that was with the home ministry, he said.
Dissatisfied with the reply, the opposition led by the BJP stuck to its demand that the report be immediately tabled. BJP members gathered near Speaker Meira Kumar’s podium, raising slogans.
When the din refused to subside, the speaker adjourned the house.
(Shining bollywood)
Muslims can’t buy homes in Mumbai’ Emraan Hashmi can’t get a house in Pali Hill Bharati Dubey, TNN 31 July 2009, 12:37am IST
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Emraan-Hashmi-cant-get-a-house-in-Pali-Hill/articleshow/4839633.cms
This is all about to say ” World know indians in this context” by Allen Jhonson Washington DC
Shame on u if u think you people are developed country.
November 23rd, 2009 at 4:51 am
@ Nikhil
India is a country composed of A large number of minorities concetrated in certain areas, we have seen how The indian State Sponsored Terrorism has hit the Sikhs in Punjab (dehli the 1984 roits)
The Christians in Orisa and The muslims in Gujrat and Bombay. secessionist movement in Mani pur, Assam, Khalistan, Kashmir, Nagaland and 104 and so separatist movements there
the separatist movement and the state sponsored terrorism against them The Indian state sponsorship of KHI the rebel group in burma, The indian Support for the Tamil Tigers, Indian Financial and Armament for TTP (Tanzeem-e-Taliban-e-Pakistan) by providing them the Milan rockets
Indian Arms support for Balauchistan Liberation Front and Indias issues with China, Bangladesh, Nepal and Srilanka over territory as well as rivers and other terrorism sponsorship by your zionist indian’s.
i think we can clearly see where the problem lies.. the Country of Hindustan (india) is a land of the Hindus… and its ideology directly conflicts its Constitutional “SELF” being created on secular grounds and the Hindu ideology of Shudi and Hindutava therefore the only proper solution for this country is to accept the demands of the secessionist movements and allow either autonomy or a separate nation to all different nations within India holding different ideologies
AS FOR ISLAM AS THE ROOT OF TERRORISM:
the reason for terrorist or (freedom) movements in around the world and them perticularly being Muslim is that
Most of these countries
Somalia, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Bosnia, Kashmir, Palestine , Daghistan , Iraq are all ocupied by forgien forces or are being ruled by puppet regimes that do not reflect the thought or consent of the people of that country. lets not forget that in 1857 and latter we were all fighting for the indipendence of India and we were all called terrorists names like Bhagat sing, Maulana Azad, Ghandi, Nehru were in the lines of seperatists and terrorists. muslims and hindus and christians and sikhs of india were all fighting in the same ranks untill the election sof 1939 which allowed All india Congress (although secular but prodominantly Hindu) party that started establishing Hindutva concepts such as Vand-e-matram the shudi and sangrathan movements the forcing of Hindi over all citizins of india that led to a language conflict.
“YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THE BACKDROP BEFORE UNDERSTANDING THE WHOLE PICTURE”
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:09 am
@Muhammed Ahmed:
dude, about ur thoughts on state sponsored terrorism, ur now facing the wrath of taliban, so u don teach us wat state sponsored terrorism is.
n even wit so many issues of hindutva( done mainly for political gains), only sum idiots support it, still most, rather max INDIAN MUSLIMS r happy here.
n dude another thing, wen u talkin bout hinduvta, no sikh in pak supports sharia law.
n as far as LTTE is concerned, we’ve learnt our lessons frm them n went against them, but u guys still support terrorism n talibans. dats wer the difference is.
n the most important thing which is leadin u to ur self destruction is sayin that terrorists r freedom fighters
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:12 am
Kasab is Pakistani: So What? (PAKISTAN) 26/11 ALL PLOTTED DRAMA FROM INDIA,
So what if Mr.Kasab is even proved to be from Pakistan? Any body in their individual capacity may indulge in any thing. All sorts of peoples remain busy in their nefarious activities; right from human trafficking to Narcotics smuggling and even they fell prey to enemy designs and on a paltry rewards even become traitors and may indulge in subversive activities against their own mother land. Exploitation and sabotage are the common tactics and means in use. The oppressive regimes have the greed of wealth and power in sight and they keep on exploiting the burning political issues of the targeted countries and by subversive actions induce anarchy and mayhem to destabilize and finally to see them scum to their designs.
India has a track record of history that it is shamelessly busy engaged in subversive actions in Baluchistan and is actively instigating the separatist groups also in FATA and Afghanistan. Local hired individual or groups remain at play busy exploiting and grabbing the opportunities and are asked to be ready to hit the targets when situation become ripe.
Owing to the peculiar precarious situation of Pakistan that it finds itself trapped in Global war against Terror and is fighting this war as a front state on its western borders. Wars have the tendency of spreading like wild fires and Currently Pakistan is fighting this war in even with in its own territory.
India the arch enemy of Pakistan who has never spared any such opportunity; finding it a ripe situation very conveniently orchestrated a self inflicting drama of terror in Mumbai to implicate Pakistan in it with an aim to pinch and over run its eastern borders. Accordingly a clever plan was chalked and it turned out to be Mumbai massacre which occurred on 26 November 2008. Ten stooges are involved who carried out a rampage at some seven different targets in Mumbai. A lone surviving gunman is named as Ajmal Kasab. Indian Police has come out with the plethora of confessional statement of the surviving gunman in their investigation. This is established that this lone survivor, planted in the drama is named as Ajmal kasab who comes from Pakistan.
But other than the Indian blame game in the light of confession of the lone survivor, Mr Kasab; there are many more straight questions requiring answers, arising out of this operation. Most relevant Questions are:
* What about all others ten culprits?
* How did they land up in Mumbai?
* Have we hauled up all possible other locals elements who were responsible to support their logistic and conduct of operation?
* Possibly no one can carry arms, ammo and logistic and also put up such a furious fight for such a long period extending for three days with out local help at the target?
* There is a colossal failure of Indian Intelligence, police and security at sea as well as on land and why were they sleeping or say made to sleep on the wheels?
* Why Indian Media and the intellectuals are not vigorously demanding a probe in the Indian internal security failures.
* What is the fate of Hemet Karkare investigations? Reportedly in his investigations, he was holding the terrorist groups responsible, hailed and nurtured by BJP and RSS for their many subversive savage activities against Muslims and other minorities in India?
Any how; if at all kasab is proved to be the person from Pakistan; more so, it will be the requirement of a fair investigation that he being the only surviving operative at the scene must be handed over to Pakistan; so that the groups if any operating under ground in Pakistan for such like subversive activities may also be dug out.
Reportedly; some two years back, this Kasab, actual name Mr. Ajmal Amir along with other 200 Pakistanis were hauled up by Indian authorities while on their visit to Nepal at Kathmandu. This entire group is missing with any trace except this Kasab that he has emerged as terrorist. A Solicitor from Pakistan C M Farouque is claimed to be pursuing the case with Indian and Nepali governments. Why this report be ignored and why? What about other missing 199 and that how many more Mumbai like bleak attacks–> are in line; yet to be hatched in India?
Matter of the fact is that India is refusing to come down to the terms to put up some joint efforts to eradicate this evil of terrorism found in our region for which Pakistan is relentlessly busy and paying a heavy price since long. well let see ” Times change we with Times” USA is useless to USE for every one in the world not only for Pakistan, now US Forces even cannot stop to die like a dogs in afghanistan. Now india showing and roaring more to afghan muslims, then you people have to ready for Afghanistan Mujahideen. They will take revenge you people dont know we are suffering but you poeple have to more because they are muslims, They are not taliban funded by 2IA.
Afghan muslims will react as HINI reacted to your minister and other’s…. both are created by GOD for people like you.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:28 am
@Muhammed Ahmed:
ur first impression on me was like ur a well mannered n a person who knew wats happening in the world.
dude i cant help it ir ur media doesnt show the sequence of events of 26/11.
the rest 9 were also frm pakistan n most of their’s houses in pak hav also been traced by ur media n the rest cud not be traced cuz ISI stood in the way.
so god will support u guys to destroy india???
dude the same god is destroying ur country cuz u’ve been causing bombings n other activities in my country for over a decade now n killing innocents.
god wants these terrorists to be killed first rather than they killing innocents!
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:59 am
@ Nikhil ( Just check the result ) and consider your presence in afghanistan is on the sake off.
American’s are running with taking tales in their white asses and other allies are also afraid, including india, today your primeminister is in USA, just for fueling terrorism in Pakistan, well there will be absolutley Shit in indian hands. they are dreaming about to design indian government in Afghanistan, it will be a badest dream in the indian history for indians.How american’s with Allies are helpless ” Bay charay chalay hain Pakistan Fatah kernay” Bhool gaye Abdali wahi sy aya tha, M Bin Qasim wahin sy aya tha, haan yea tumhain yaad kerwana prayga.
Afghan President, NATO Chief Reject Think Tank Report
November 22, 2007
KABUL (AFP)–Afghan President Hamid Karzai and the NATO chief led strong criticism Thursday of a European think tank report that said the Taliban were installed in more than half of Afghanistan.
NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer said The Senlis Council report released Wednesday “should not be considered as realistic.”
“Of course there are parts of Afghanistan where the going is tough from time to time,” he told reporters after talks with Karzai. “We all know that…and we all know that NATO forces are in combat in certain parts of Afghanistan.”
But he added: “The analysis the council makes on the situation in Afghanistan, I simply do not share.”
The report called for NATO’s International Security Assistance Force to be doubled in size to 80,000, saying a study had found that 54% of Afghan territory had a permanent Taliban presence.
ISAF spokesman Brigadier General Carlos Branco said it was unclear where this figure came from.
“We have shortfalls and more troops would be most welcome,” he told AFP. But, “We have not identified a need for 80,000 troops,” he said, labelling the report “sensationalist.”
Karzai was also dismissive, saying there had been clear progress in Afghanistan since the fall of the Taliban government in late 2001.
“There are certain areas in southern parts of Afghanistan, especially close to our border with Pakistan, that see attacks from some of the Taliban elements from time to time,” he said.
And “there are parts of Afghanistan that fall to the Taliban”, he said, but “I do not share the analysis.”
Branco said the claim that insurgents controlled vast areas of unchallenged territory and 54% of Afghan territory had a permanent Taliban presence was baseless.
“They control not more than a handful of districts, even less,” he said adding these were “very small pockets without territorial continuity.”
The insurgents also only moved into areas with limited security presence and had often left before troops arrived to reassert control, he said.
On a statement that “the question now appears not to be whether the Taliban will return to Kabul, but when this will happen,” Branco said: “The shops are open, people are on the streets, it is a normal city.
“It does not seem like a city on the eve of being overtaken by the Taliban.”
The Senlis Council has been pushing for the legalization of Afghanistan’s opium production, which is 93% of that of the whole world, a proposal that the government and the United Nations have flatly rejected.
The think tank has offices in London, Paris, Brussels and Kabul.
November 23rd, 2009 at 6:11 am
@ Nikhil Check the result in fights between Muslim Mujahideen with US-NATO forces & Indian taliban fighting vs Pakistan army, from both side of boarder Muslims are proudly fighting against the enemy of muslims.
Pakistani taliban’s are indian funded agents of RAW, CIA, Mossad & RAMA.
but they are just fighting for money not for muslim nation. Pak army is fighting for muslim nation.
Afghan attacks kill four US soldiers: ( NEWS for INDIA in Afghanistan ).
Monday, 23 Nov, 2009 3:09 pm
NATO ARE HELPLESS MAN, JUST GO THERE AND SAVE THEM IF U can.
KABUL : Insurgent attacks and bombs have killed another four US soldiers in Afghanistan, the Nato-run International Security Assistance force said Monday.
Two were killed by a roadside bomb and a third died in a militant attack on Sunday. A fourth soldier was killed by a improvised explosive device on Monday, Isaf said in a statement.
“Four Isaf service members died in the last 24 hours in Afghanistan,” the statement said. All the casualties were US nationals, it added.
Copyright AFP (Agence France-Presse), 2009
November 24th, 2009 at 4:57 am
HEY INDIAN US TAIL CARRIER’S.
WOW, WOW, WOW, AMERICAN’S DOING DEALS TO SAVE AMERICAN’S AND NATO SOLDIER’S LIVES, WELL AGNI 2 IS FAILED TO RESPOND FOR A DESIRED RESULT OHO, WELL ITS OK ITS GOOD NEWS FOR CHINA, BANGLADESH, NEPAL, SRILANKA, PAKISTAN AND AFGHAN MUJAHIDEEN. ITS A REAL TIME FOR INDIA TO BEND DOWN INFRONT OF AMERICA AND GET FEW MISSILES FOR DEFENSE. GEN DEEPAK KAPOOR SAID THERE WILL BE A LIMITED ATOMIC WAR, ITS REALLY A BAD IDEA OR BAD DREAM IT WILL BE A COMPLETE FULL FLEDGE WAR, WE ARE JUST WAITING FOR. WELL INDIAN PRIMINISTER OFFER USA FOR FORCES IN AFGHANISTAN, OH RENTAL ARMY OFFICER’S CANNOT SURVIVE IN MUSLIM HOMELAND, MUSLIMS HAVE A PURE MINDSET TO DEFEAT NONMUSLIMS INSHAALLAH, WELL INDIA IS AFRAID ,COZ INDIAN INFLUENCE IS GOING TO BE END AFTER US FORCES TAKE OFF. AFGHAN MUJAHIDEEN PRIDE OF THE MUSLIMS IN AFGHANISTAN HAVE DECIDED ABOUT THE NEXT REAL ENEMY OF MUSLIMS. AMERICA IS RUNNING BY TAKING TAIL INSIDE ASS AND INDIAN’S ARE HANGING OVER THE TAIL AND ARE AFRAID FROM THE UPOCOMING BLOOD SHED SEASON. THE PLACE FOR ONE MORE GRAVEYARD IS DECLARED IN THE NAME FOR INDIAN AGENTS THOSE ARE WORKING AS A TAIL CARRIER IN AFGHANISTAN.
AM HAPPY OVER THIS NEWS ABOUT AMERICAN DEAL WITH TALIBAN, WOW IT WILL BE THE END OF TERRORISM IN PAKISTAN, FEW ARE FLOURISHING FROM AFGHANISTAN.
November 30th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
To all my Indian friends why to waste energy here fighting with an uneducated poor ,beggar terrorist country .We should feel proud with our science,technology,medical facility and military power with which we defeated the weak baby country many times.Even they lost Bangladesh and pissed in their pants no of times.
Their general prayed us to release 95000 soldiers in 65 war.Everything these bloody bastards have forgotten.
In Kargil war their innocent soldiers didn’t get a grave yard where as Indian soldiers awarded and got respect of a martyr.
Argument ,fight should be done with same standard country ,not a baby country like Pakistan.
The muslims brothers who opted to stay in India are now relieved that they have stayed here not gone there.
Those gone there facing death like condition.
So i request you not to come to a pakistan biased blog where all poor pakistanis are enjoying with their terrorist dreams.
December 1st, 2009 at 5:30 am
Leave the politics to politicians.. why bother?? and please people stop fighting like 2yr old kids.. u all r highly educated people…its not expected from you people..and people plz keep your blind patriotism at check.. every country india ,pak china or US have some real dark sides but if u people continue to blame others …there is no point in all these…so people stop wasting ur precious time (like me) in these blogs.
Most important goal of countries like india and pakistan should be economic development..guys we are still are third world countries..so stop fighting and arguing like babies..and try to do something positively constructive than fighting over the internet..
At the end of the day all it matters is food,clothing and shelter
December 1st, 2009 at 9:52 am
it seems, as am regulerly followin d blogs……d main problems of pakistanis are all d problems of india. Weakening or getting strength for INDIA……becoming much more big problem for pakistani politicians and other prominent people…….Man….mind ur own land first…..basic infrustructure, amenities, stopping of home violence….almost u guys r in war in ur own land now-a-days……..so better first think about the good of people of pakistan….later think about d compartive study of india and china………
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:01 am
“Nuclear retaliation to a first strike will be massive and designed to inflict unacceptable damage.” Thank you for telling me this indian policy which I was never aware of. The policy that we know is “No first use policy”
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:47 am
Wow, Im new to this blog but then pretty impressive indeed!
Now, Im a muslim and an indian. I guess those details will be more than enough in respect to this blog.
Now, @Praveen Sharma, You have done a good job in ur replies. As well others who were pretty straight forward and to the Point.
First of all, why you guys being soo sentimental here for? Im a guy who wants strong friendship between Pakistan and India. Now, mostly as its natural, the citizens of each country supports their own valour and thats it, nothing sensible is put forth.
I dont wanna take sides here but then facts will always remain facts and no one can change that.
As far as India is concerned, there are corruption as in every country. nothing grt about it anyway, but then if u look at the net worth of indians, which includes the undisclosed amounts stuffed in Swiss Banks (undisclosed but the amounts are coming out from the bank officials but not the connected details), You will be shocked to know that India will be the richest country in the world. And about poverty, its getting eradicated, nothing grt about it. As if in china and pakistan , all are educated to actually say that so. In terms of military, India has the largest military units in the world, thats a fact and nothing for me to side with india because im an indian. Yeah, China played smart in terms of military and other asset acquiring into their treasury. now, tell me, How many of like chinese products? yeah its cheap but even now, after knowing about what chinese do for adulteration in every single stuff they bring out, labour charge is less and ppl running after making money and making others fools, thats all, in tern, their overall per capita income will increase even if its not for their citizens but atleast nation wise to talk about. they have money and they put on strengthening their military and thats about the missiles to talk about, anyways, im not getting deep into that, not because i dont want to, i just want to get to the points and be done with it.
Now if i speak about pakistan, i have many friends from pakistan whom i have met while i undertook my studies in UK. They are really cool guys and trust me, they dont talk rubbish unlike some of the guys who had posted some utter nonsense here, clearly supporting pakistan and not understanding the facts. Yes, they shud support, afterall, they are pakistanis. sorry i had been harsh but then, read the above posts and u will know how some guys have stated. and not to divert from the points, terrorism is a main word that comes out of ppl when pakistan is stated. Why is that happening? even pakistans ex president Mr Musharaf clearly said and revealed infact that whatever monetary support they got from pakistan for eradicating terrorism, they have used it up to strengthen their military for defensive purpose against india. now whats that supposed to mean? I strongly believe that pakistanis shudnt be holding grudge against India for stupid stuffs.
Just like Mr praveen sharma had stated, we have lot of muslims in many fields of development in india. even our ex president Mr Abdul Kalam was a muslim. So, is the case in Art, Science and others. So and also India is multi religions and cultured nation, so why shud we actually go against pakistanis? because they are muslims? thats bull shitt. even for the mumbai blast thats happened before, ppl are dying, thats innocent ppl dying. even its been clearly understood the pakistans intelligence is clearly helping out the terrorists to actually bring india down, so by training them to do their job. Common, these are really big issues to be brought on to the table and solve it at the earliest. First of all, why is this terrorists using the word JIHAD when they are doing the opposite of whatever is there in Quran or even Prophet Mohammed [PBUH] said. is violence the best to solve problems? and how can other religious ppl can be enemies of muslims? just because these terrorists does things in the worst of ways in the name is Islam, other muslims around the world is being degraded in value in front of other men and women. is this what they expect out of their so called JIHAD or HOLY WAR? see, once when pakistans really put forth some move against terrorism and eradicate it from this world, trust me, it will be completely at peace with all nations. you guys know very well how many blasts occured in pakistan itself.to tell you guys the truth, i even felt like its a planned operation done in pakistan itself to divert other nations from keeping their eyes on pakistan in saying that they support terrorism, obviously, if terrorists attack pakistan couple of times, how can anyone say pakistan supports terrorism?
Anyways, even recently many ppl have been caught in India, Indians who are muslims who have been working for the banned terrorist group, Lashkar E Thoiba. Isnt this all pretty clear that they are doing their maximum in infiltrating india and do maximum damage?
Anyways, i have stated what was their in my mind and if for me to talk, there are pages to cover up but then i dont intend to to that here.
Im not against pakistan but then they could do a lot better but donno why they arent doing anything. anyways, im sure now, many paki fanboys will hit me right thru to state again that india is shitt. anyways, no comments whatsoever for if God have given us common sense unlike other creatures he created, i would say only this USE IT!
Thanks!
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:19 am
@Rajim Rahman: Wow! wellsaid Rajim. I respect all my brothers and sisters- no matter what caste, creed or religion. we are all Indians together. I also respect our neighbors, Pakistanis. I worked with them for 17 years in Middle East and not a single complain. I still talk to them every other days and they are very decent people.
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:20 pm
@ Surinder, Thanks Surinder
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:23 pm
@ Surinder
Thanks for your compliments man.
Salute to you man, because you know about us.
December 7th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Todays devlopment needs a mention in this blog as it is a fitting reply to the very starting comment of this blog. India finally signed the indo-russian nuke deal and guess what this time it is even better than the deal with the USA. Russia has promissed of continuous uranium supply even if India uses it for developing nuclear weaponry. This was the only limitation that the Indo-US Nuke deal had.
Apart from this the Russians have also promissed to aid Indian nuclear scientists with their State of Art technology. So was anybody contemplating on any break down of Indo-Russian relationship out here?
Even though I am a stonch supporter of worldwide nuclear disarmament but i see this deal very significant to India interest from a strategic point of view. It will also serve us a solution for the growing energy needs of the Developing India who has the fifth largest purchasing power in the golbal market today.
December 7th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
@Saptarshi, well said man!
December 18th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Dear Brothers,
It feels great that today’s youth understant the need of the hour for the developing countries like India and Pakistan
I am dedicating this song to all of you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Nk_UgHdj0&feature=related
Regards,
Positivepoint
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February 16th, 2010 at 9:32 am
Fanatic hindu India cannot take on Pakistan what to talk of China, the indians must be day dreaming or living in a fools paradise, its not just a saying but a challenge to indians let them give a try if they have a little bit of guts up their a—–
February 26th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
Indians rever cows and flora fauna ,as in ancient times our ancestors understod importance of nature.thats a deep emotion ..pathar mein bhi bhagwan hai agar bhavna ho , aur agar tabiyat hi buri ho to hum apne saathi insaan ko bhi hikarat se dekhenge.
There are lot of things jo purani tarikh se chal rahin hain and lets not comment on them.
Muhammad saheb married several times ,par shayad us zamane mein yahi theek raha hoga…..
muslim gair muslims ko jizya dene pe majboor karte the ,aur is liye kamzor imaan wale hindus ko islam kabool karvaya gaya….but when sikhs(measly 12% of Punjab population including seraiki,pakhtoonwa) or maratha ruled punjab and central india resp , muslims par koi zulm religion ke naam pe nahi hue.
As far as nuclear weapons and faujon ki baat hai we should mutually disarm them and use 20 % of our govt budget for betterment of poors of our countries…today spending combined on education ,health etc is less than 10% of budget…
March 25th, 2010 at 10:19 am
India Can’t be compared with China or pak. At the time of partition PAKi thought that India has less cultivable land and pak has good fertile land. Today we are exporting and you are importing. China is a dictator country. They provide high subsidies to their products. It cannot be sustained for long. We have indigenous Industry. Pak can’t think of it. You are spectators, we are players. Technologically we are far better than china. Do you know Dell is shifting its mfg unit from china to India. Cause we have better skill tech man power. Your are rushing towards Indian Hospital for your simple sickness. So stop pointing finger towards us , otherwise a day will come when will be last country on this globe .
March 27th, 2010 at 10:26 am
If you’ve been following the news recently, you know that it is my greatest and most solemn pleasure to report as best as possible the facts and circumstances surrounding India’s ill-natured, snotty press releases. However, you might not know that we must steer clear of simplistic, monocausal explanations and mythic bogeymen. It may help if I begin my discussion by relating an innocuous story in order to illustrate my point: A few days ago I was arguing with a particularly puerile, maledicent purveyor of malice and hatred who was insisting that those who disagree with India should be cast into the outer darkness, should be shunned, should starve. I tried to convince this illiterate stool pigeon that India refers to a variety of things using the word “pseudoconglomeration”. Translating this bit of jargon into English isn’t easy. Basically, it’s saying that diseases can be defeated not through standard medical research but through the creation of a new language, one that does not stigmatize certain groups and behaviors, which we all know is patently absurd. At any rate, we need to rally good-hearted people to the side of our cause. Why? Because of what’s at stake: literally everything. Now that this letter is over, I pray that my logic and passion have convinced you that India plays ducks and drakes with a native battery of idioms that prescribes such egregious collocations of vocables as the basic “put up with” for “tolerate” or “put at a loss” for “bewilder”.
June 3rd, 2010 at 5:35 am
Pakistan may be lesser in Weapons and technology from India but we do have one most important thing that Indians couldn’t have ever.
We don’t afraid of dieing for our religion and country. On the other hand Indians are well known cowards. Our only problem is the rollers who are not very much loyal to the country.
India won’t dare to engage the war with Pakistan, if it does, he won’t be same for ever.
Long Live Islam
Long Live Pakistan
June 3rd, 2010 at 7:02 am
@Asad, My dear, I hope you have read my posting above. If not please do check! Infact nothing offensive in whatever u have stated but then think for once about the statement u made in your posting.
That pakistanis are not afraid of dying for religion and country. thats a true citizen talking but then you have clearly degraded yourself dear. you know why? i shall clear it for you. First of all, No one ever degraded the religion man. After all Im a Muslim and Indian too. There are many Religions around the world and many in India Itself. nothing is happening special about it anyway, all are at peace bro! Now, Islam is getting a pretty fancy name of ” Terrorism “. Now why did that happened? ok Asad, Leave India, Why dont you go to some other foreign country and see how they will treat you. trust me, they will think you are another terrorist. Now how did that happen? same concept of what u stated in ur posting, that you all are ready to die…. yeah, JIHAD, Holy War na, so DIE! what else is happening now anyway?
For once think like a Human Being and Learn to live and Let Live…. and Dieing shud be out of the topic forever… Allah had send us here to perform some task and that doesnt involve killing your Fellow brother and sisters [ for Allah created us all ]… so think on what you had said….
All need to live happily and peacefully right? we all have one life so make maximum use of it than living for others…. If u die, who is going to benefit? Your family? Your Kids? so my friend…. live well and live for the prosperity of mankind….
Allah shall bless you always……
Cheers