As we celebrate 62nd Independence Day of our great nation, all Pakistanis must loudly reject fundamentalism that is destroying our beloved nation. We can’t let the extremists, the jehadis, the suicide bombers destroy our lives. No more can we let them tie bombs to the belly of our youth…no more can we let them hide our women behind veil. No more can they deprive us of art, culture, science, and humanity. No more!
No more can we dilute our debate by blaming external conspiracies; imperial design, Zionist strategy, Hindutva resurgence etc. Our enemies are within… Jihadis are the enemies no matter what cause they represent; Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Kashmir etc. No land, no territory, no nation, no state, no freedom, no independence can justify violence. No more can we tolerate those who preach voilence.
Majority of the Pakistanis like me have resigned ourselves to the fate of oppression. We have been fearfull of the extremists. Instead of outright rejecting the authority of religion in our daily lives, we acquiesce. No more can we surrender to the oppressive religious zealots of our society.
Celebrating Pakistan’s independence simply means celebrating the secular leadership of Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah; rationale guidance of Allama Iqbal, and the vision of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan.
“If we want to make this great State of Pakistan happy and prosperous we should wholly and solely concentrate on the well-being of the people, and especially of the masses and the poor… you are free- you are free to go to your temples mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the state… in due course of time Hindus will cease to be Hindus and Muslims will cease to Muslims- not in a religious sense for that is the personal faith of an individual- but in a political sense as citizens of one state”
Quid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah’s address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan, Karachi, August 11, 1947
In respect of Quiad, Allama and Sir Syed we must re-write our constitution. Our constitution must represent two principles; people belonging to different faiths and sections of society should be equal before the law, the constitution and government policy. Secondly, separation of state and religion. We must modify our constitution to limit the realm of validity of religion in the public arena and society.
We should recall what Allama Iqbal taught us: democracy does not become inclusive merely by giving everyone the right to vote; its institutions must be even-handed as well.
In memory of Sir Syed we should understand that the struggle against militancy should go beyond a security response to providing justice, economic and political, to all.
It’s time now to recognize that growth with welfare is the only long-term bet against religious extremism.
It’s time now to promote a way of thinking and living that aims to bring out the best in people so that all people can have the best in life.
It’s time now to reject authoritarian beliefs.
It’s time now to take responsibility for our own lives and the communities and world in which we live.
It’s time now to emphasize reason and scientific inquiry, individual freedom and responsibility, human values and compassion, and the need for tolerance and cooperation.
It’s time now to reject violence.
It’s time now to act!
Ibrahim Sajid Malick is a Pakistani-American writer, technologist, and social entrepreneur. He has been writing on Pakistani society and politics since 1986. He has held several media, communications, and technology positions for organizations large and small. Mr. Malick graduated from New School for Social Research with a master’s degree in anthropology. He holds several technology and management certifications. He works for a leading technology firm and blogs at www.ibrahimsajidmalick.com
what i understand from whole conversation here is you guys so involved in religion that you forgot you are human being, you also forgot there are other people who follow other faith also have right to live anywhere. what i suggest any religious follower who say my religion is the best is that, you follow your religion nobody is going to stop you as per you your religion is the best fine, that doesn’t mean other religions are bad. Every body pray to one god but in different form. Remember this phrase “LIVE AND LET LIVE”. No religion is superior or inferior in front other religion its only once faith. Learn to be a good human first, godliness will follow automatically.
What you all people are talking about ISI and Generals dictatorships, some says IB better some says ISI. Please keep in mind all Pakistani Politicians, Technocrats, Bureaucrats, some most well known personalities in Pakistani including TV anchors (except few among them) are CIA, FBI & Rind sponsored and further more your total electronic, media some of the print media like the Dawn newspapers and The News English news papers and many more are all CIA sponsored and you will see and understand that when they talk/write they always pin point Islamic teaching of the Quran and Sunna and are totally against Islamic Sharia Law they always talk/write in favor of Dajaliat/Iblisiat/Taghotiat/nan-nehad American style of democracy means simply all the energies are served to protect western countries interests/policies/agendas.
How stupid you Pakistani people are and biggest drawback is still you dare to speak about who is right and who is wrong whereas you even don’t know what you are taking about. You Pakistani are simply the most bully people/nation in the world today, a nation who doesn’t know that their whole politicians are not only corrupt they are selling their mothers, country interests, most earning organization almost every thing just for the sake of dollars because they want to be rich in this world dam care about hereafter another word they are all traitors among them Altaf Hussain is No. 1 Indian sponsored and trained traitor you don’t even know this kind of big reality yet you talk about democracy what poor people of Pakistan have gained so far from democracy the American style democracy allows 2 % families to be imposed and remain in power to make sure no revolution should ever come in Pakistan and those 2 % families never disappoint western countries in implementing their 100 % agendas.
I think you peoples should keep your mouth shut because you are No 1 bully nation in the world and because of your traitor leaders Pakistan’s former government have allowed American to destroy Afghanistan, Iraq and now they are turning to Pakistan. I believe that the only thing that is saving Pakistan is the tableeg jamat they eat halal and always pray to Allah to save Pakistan from all hypocrites in all regards while in sajida crying and crying I have seen that personally and their prayers are acceptable by Alllah Bubhanahuwatalla that is why you are still breathing in Azadi otherwise Indian would have taken over Pakistan though not 100 % azad nation because of yous Pakistani leaders have sold themselves to the western countries and carryout the agenda of Christian and Jewish in Pakistan. May Allah give you Hidaya to understand your country’s matters/affairs with Aqlesaleemi and not with aqlesatani which electronic media is injecting and you believe their analysis and comments on all issues by closing your eyes.
Wahabbis/Deobandis are truly representing Islam if you don’t believe than kindly read carefully the Quran and the Hadis you will than know they are 100 % right in their right actions according to Islamic teachings. All suicide bombers, all kind of attacks on schools on our soldiers at western borders and behind every bad incident the worst CIA & Raw agencies are involved and from time to time our media also proves that foreign agencies are involved in different attacks in Pakistan and that news is always covered because of the pressure of USA their allies. Its is just that the CIA sponsored TV Anchors and other bloody personalities are working on western agendas in Pakistan to lead Pakistan towards secularism because they realized that the biggest resistance/problems in their ways are Wahabbis/Deobandis insects therefore those nam-nehad Muslims by name are after them and defaming/claming Wahabbis/Deobandis are terrorist & extremist and are responsible of all bombings in Pakistan but this is 100 % wrong all evil activities are result of CIA & Raw interventions/penetrations into our society they buy some traitors in Pakistan to get their mission going that is it.
Pls open ur eyes & for God sake watch/observe/analyze/see/understand all reports of electronic & print Media and every thing happening in Pakistan in the light/mirror of the Quran and Hadis mubarka InshaAllah the reality of every Hippocratic speech/report will be revealed to you very very clearly………….
and you will know who is who whether he/she believe in Quran and Hadis or they are Muslim by name in reality they are truly No. 1 hypocrites amongst elite class of Pakistan who are responsible for destroying Islamic image and working for CIA/Christian/Jewish interest.
i like the fact that 80% of the muslims who left a reply , are against the idea of secularism …
How interesting Talk is going on.I appreciate and greet you Ibrahim Sajid Malick Sahib that you have the courage to do so.I read all the replies very carefully,out of fifty four comments,there are only 4-5 voices who understand you what you say,others are very good fundamentalist and pro extremist muslims,used filthiest language and threats.and interestingly, all of them are posted on 13th august.later on only eight comments was posted so we know that which agency is behind these GOOD Muslims.No doubt that all filth of this kind was manufactured by Band Master Zia and his pithus, and they are Deobandis,Wahabis, Tableeghis and jamat islami.All these are jointly(with minute differences) struggling hard to make pakistani society more and more conservative and even extremist.The historical liberal, moderate and sufiatic blend of our society is hardly visible now.But I am sure that majority of our people who are poor, workers, peasants and do not have luxury of having Internet facility to bark on opponents,believe on democratic moderate and secular culture.
What is fundamentalism! If I pray to Allah five times a day, give Zakat out of my one year’s savings, keep fasting in Ramadan, help my neighbor, abide by civil law, try to be a good citizen, educate myself and help others to get education, not believe in illegal profit making by stocks and other means, maintain good relationship with my colleagues, do not do interest bearing business, what will you call me a “Fundamentalist”? Islam teaches us to practice all that and further to bear and respect open heartedly people from other religions in our society (as Muhammad S.A.W.W. did in Madina with followers of other religions), If I practice this, am I a fundamentalist? If I do not, Islam is bad?
My friend, the personal behavior of any one, Muslim or Non-Muslim, can not be attached to his religion. Good and bad people are every where. In America is it not true that never ride a passenger lift in a tall building alone, is not true always keep some money in your pocket so that if someone snatches your purse he should get some otherwise you may be killed, Is not true in America that never enter a street where such and such people live? How some one can evaluate Christianity or Jewish religions in presence of those above stated acts? Certain fraction of People may be bad, not the religion.
Pakistan was born as Islamic Republic and it will, Inshallah, live as Islamic Republic. We know that presently it is going through many problems and is facing lot of challenges. But it will get through soon. Keep patience.
InshaAllah very soon we Pakistani people will be able to enjoy pure Islamic Sharia law in our life and will observe peace and harmony in our society and tolerance with other minorities which can only happen if we embrace Quranic teaching of Allah (SWT) and Shariat Mutahra of our beloved prophet Mohammad (PBUH). Those who are in favor of Secularist they are basically afraid of Islamic teaching and Adal and Insaf that is why they oppose it and support the bloody nam-nehad American Taghoti/Dajali/Iblisiat democracy which you all are observing now days and seeing every one is suffering and facing hell of difficulties in his/her life because of no justice.
Those who oppose Islamic Law means Shariat Mutahra they are Murtad people and according to Shariat Mutahra they supposed to be killed in public, how can we allow them to speak against Islamic teaching when they don’t even know what Islam is all about, how can we listen to those who do not know what Allah and prophet says. And those bastards speak about secularism they are indeed traitors and are Fasik-Fajir/Kafir-o-Mushrik/Munafiq-e-azam/Shia/Dhahrie/Qadiani-o-Marzai without doubt.
Great Blog I am 200 % agree but before our reading your this blog should be distributed in the baraks of Army and their Intelligence agencies ” ISI, MI, IB……. So on “, Because It was Zia, Akhthar and their colleagues who made the nests of Extremists and Terrorists in Pakistan…. So the forthcoming Army leadership will be lesson full of their ancestors….We will not face the worst conditions …….
Mr. Achakzai open ur eyes use some brain
this talibanization which media presets is not the real talibans
they are USA & Indian act of creating panic n some how getting rid of Pakistani Islamic Nuclear Bomb. All those traitors came from CIA & RAW which have their own anti Taliban political agendas and they have been exposed on several occasions fabricating videos and news stories- hardly what I would call a reliable sources of information.
I think before labeling quid -i-azam as a secular we must read his spech of 23 march 1940 in which he clearly manifested the reason on the basis of which he is demanding a seperate homeland for the muslims. Two nation theory in itself is the evidance that neither Iqbal nor Quid -i-Azam was in favour of a secular state. if they wanted a secular state then India was itself as secular state and there was no question for asking a seperate country for the muslims of sub continent.
As regarding your refrance of Quid’s spech i would like to draw your atten regarding the Islamic system of governanec and the Islamic Laws regarding the Zimmi’s(the non beleivers living in an Islamic state). it is in build into the Islamic sharia that all the citizens living in an Islamic state have the equel rights.(here i would like to explain the context of the Controvercial Jizia, the tax lavied on the non believers, which is beang propageted against the right of the non believers living in an Islamic state. Since Zakat is a compulsory tax on all the muslims and not applicable on non muslim their for they are laveid Jizia, so their is no differance in the rights of muslim and a non muslim.)
Dear malik it is better to understant the islamic system first , then our history and struggle for independace and its basis before misquoeting our leadrship.
The secular idea is against our idealogy and a conspiracy against Pakistan.
I didn’t know that Pakistan has golf courses. Actually the one in Karachi, Mohammad Ali Jinnah’s city has a very long golf hole. Well not really as long as the hole in Japan. The one in japan is 909-yard par 7 and I am told it is the longest hole in the world.
7th hole in Karachi is close to 700 yard. Which is longer than all the longest golf course I have hit balls on.
Helluva conversation guys! But may i remind you all (Whatever your opinion might be) that never lose your cool even when answering the most blatant of lies because then you start to move away from the topic. And if someone poses a question which is absolutely rubbish, just leave him be and carry on. The world is full of idiots so don’t get stuck on one.Check his idiocy level. If he is fit to be declared one, forget him and move on to the next one. As far as the topic is concerned, i wonder where Mr. Ibrahim Sajid gets these ideas.
Mr. Sajid, next time if you want us to change our ideology try to use the right terms. You confused “extremism” with “fundamentalism” and look what you have started. Going secular? anybody care to explain what can be understood by this because this is a seriously confusing statement and i would suggest the writer to refrain from making such vague statements.
Pakistan is not a secular country and never will be a secular.Only 10percent people are moderate.But they can never be a secular.But shit on us that we are not true muslims.thats why we cant progress in any way.If we will be true muslims world will salute us.Because islam is a religon of peace and give the rights to childs,women,nonmuslims and even animals.But most of us believe in only two types of islam moderate and talibanizm.But Islam is only one a religon of peace.
Dear Ali, you are right in your comments dated September 3rd, 2009 at 10:03 am. I agreed with you. Long live Ali, may almighty Allay bless you.
Dear Shahid thnx for your remarks!
If a secular Pakistan was what our ancestors sacrificed there lives for then excuse me for saying it was the biggest blunder of the recorded man kind history.
Why doesn’t Israel think like you Mr. Malik?
Why didn’t the NATO and UN thought like you when they order the separation of east timore?
Islam is the religion of peace the system of peace, we failed to implement it, you know why because in every government or so called democratic government which comes in power with votes of the people always had advisors like you.
Indeed it’s the end of the times and it’s a shameless slap on the faces of the thousands who where butchered during the partition, and we are thinking secularism?????????
One thing more where does balooch sindi pashton sarikies fit in secularism aren’t they all Muslims what does secularism have to do with lingual distributions.
Mullas are coming sooner or later this is a fact that we have to except some might believe today some will believe tomorrow and rest will believe when they see them.
Finally I hope Mr. Malick will not say that the sugar crisis in Pakistan is due the Islamic fundamentalism
Going through a number of posts I find the point that the author is trying to make. Intolerance against the other person’s views. The deficiency is that we cannot accept the other person’s opinion however true it maybe. Just go through some comments and you’ll know. The point here is religion is meant for us as a code of conduct for how we govern our lives and how to interact with society. It has not to be an outside in but an inside out change in personality. This implies that it should be strictly a personal affair of the individual. The state foremost duty is to ensure law and order and to protect the life and property of every citizen regardless of religion, caste, sect. and to achieve this the state (i.e constitution) has to strip itself of any religious identity. With such a diverse and numerous schools of thought the state has to be neutral. International laws on human rights of which Pak is a signatory should be the basis for the laws of the land which include empowerment of women, tolerance, rights of the minorities protected and safeguarded etc. and equal chances given to them to lead their lives according to their will. Its not about secularism or not, the fact is religion is being used as a tool by vested interests to perpetuate a particular ideology or a school of thought because religion is one thing that is close to our hearts and for which we have deep emotional feelings.
I say GROW UP! to those who have no other job but to distort and blur the real picture by mentioning some conspiracy theory or the other. Including religion in public policy has resulted in what is today known as Islamic militancy. It is these same policies and laws where innocent civilians belonging to the minority communities are being persecuted under the blasphemy laws.
Everyone should know this… GLOBAL WARMING is reaching a point of no return. We must stop the debate on our identity dilemma. We must know where we stand on issues that have consequences on the whole of mankind, GLOBAL WARMING being a major issue. We must plan for the future instead of sticking to the past.
We need to have a democratic secular Pakistan, free from the influence of Mullahs, who have played havoc with our society for the last 3 decades. A democratic secular Pakistan is the only way forward!
Al kubroom….look at the jahilayas forum members from pakistan…
Paki forum members reject secular principles outright man…u r unanimous in that….Then why do line up to western countries like pigs to enjoy their secularism…
What the hell this is shocking. This is the only rational post this ibrahim mullick has posted in a long time and look at the reaction.
secular pakistan in a nation full of talibanis and fanatics…….
Ibrahim malik are on drugs…..in ur cuntry kids are taught to hate hindus, cristians, jews and everybody else in primary class. Making bombs and memorising hate verses from kuran in secondary education. How can such nation be secular. I think u did not mean towards SECULAR pakistan but towards SICKULAR Pakistan.
By chanting ‘Pakistan ka mutlab kia, la i laha il lallah’ our forefathers pledged that they will live by the Quran and Sunnah, if given a free homeland. Allah delivered this country as a result on the blessed night of 27th Ramazan. Quaid e Azam is on record to have said that the Constitution for the new country is present since the last 13 centuries. Can anybody deny that ?
Secular leanings ascribed to the Quaid are mostly concerned when directed towards the minority issues. These are propagated by the mainstream media to serve their own vested interests. In her groundbreaking book ‘Secular Jinnah: Munir’s Big Hoax Exposed’. Saleena has exposed how are leaders and liberal minded scholars have put words in Quaid’s mouth and delibrately led a generation into self doubt and utter confusion. Also there are other instances where it has been revealed as to how our Holy Prophet PBUH guided Quaid e Azam to come back to the subcontinent and fulfil his mission. On 10/11 August 2009, the grandson of the actual Khan of Kalat announced on GEO TV program, Kamran kay Sath that his granfather gave up his flourishing kingdom of Kalat and merged into Pakistan, when he was directed to do so by the Holy Prophet PBUH in a dream.
The Quaid soon after independence formed the constituent assembly to draft constitution for the new country. He was unequivocal in his vision, as he was on all other things that the Western democracy and Western economic systems had failed to provide social justice and equal playing field to all. He wanted to implement the Islamic principles and present to the whole world an alternative system that provided security, religious freedom, social and economic justice to all and sundry—a true Islamic Welfare state. The Objective Resolution was passed in this spirit. Alas, he passed away and Liaqat Ali Khan was also gunned down when he insisted on implementing the true vision of our Quaid. Thereafter, the first step of Gulam Muhamad, a CIA agent was to abolish the Constituent Assembly and reduce the Objectives Resolution to a preamble in the new Constitution, which implemented British Westminister style democracy in the country.
Pakistan is thus in a state of sin, if i may be allowed to say so. The task remain incomplete. Until we fulfil the promise of our forefathers we will lurch from one catastrophe to another and Pakistan will not achieve its destiny. We have experimented enough with democracy, dictatorship, provincial autonomy, one-unit system, imported PMs enlightened moderation etc. Lets give the Quran and Sunnah a chance. Lets for once trust in Allah Almighty. If we are true muslims, we should not let ourselves be bitten from the same ‘democratic’ snake hole again and again. We all aspire to go to Jannah in the Hereafter, a place where everything is as per Allah’s Command, yet we are unwilling to implement HIS commands on earth. What can be more hipocritical than that ?
Allah says in the Quran :
Surah Ar Raad (13-11)
“Verily, Allah does not change the condition of any people unless they
themselves make the decision to change.”
May Allah guide us and give us the courage to change ourselves and
demand the same from our rulers. Ameen
Well at least acknowledge that the author is also providing you lot, a quote from Jinnah and that too from a very important speech. Keeping in view your fanatical replies you people should at least accept that either Jinnah was a hypocrite or was deluded that Islam in its nature is secular.
Let me re-quote
“If we want to make this great State of Pakistan happy and prosperous we should wholly and solely concentrate on the well-being of the people, and especially of the masses and the poor… you are free- you are free to go to your temples mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the state… in due course of time Hindus will cease to be Hindus and Muslims will cease to Muslims- not in a religious sense for that is the personal faith of an individual- but in a political sense as citizens of one state”
Quid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah’s address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan, Karachi, August 11, 1947
Btw how many of you actually know the meaning of ‘Secular’?
Peace,
A Secular Muslim.
I am saddened to read this article- honestly. Pakistan was created solely on Islam and was made to be an Islamic country- complete and full with no room for any other ideas or religion except Islam. We should actually discourage tourists from non-muslim countries and strip non-muslims of Pakistani citizenship- Ahmadis and Ismailis included. We should try to emulate the model of Saudi/Sudan/Somalia and strive to become like them.
Salam o Lakam ,
AS far as Secularism is concerned,we as a pakistani nation do not become secular because secularism where exist,there people become materlist.There are no concept of Religion,they don’t belive on Religion.They are too far from Religion.they just belive on only Sex,Sex and Sex……….
We 98% of Pakistani are muslim and believe on Islam. In Islam,The concept of leading a life is very clear and too much profitable if we understand the real Isalam.We are Lucky that we are natively muslim.Allah choose us to become member of Islam.
i personally anaylsis that our remainess are hidden in to Islam. now, i return to main topic that we should not adopt also extremlism .
Here I Remeber Perveiz Mushraf idea!
We should not adopt westernlization and should not adopt extremisim.
However i Just finish with this says,
OUR COUNTRY SAFE ONLY BECAUSE OF ISLAM.
our enamy wants that Pakistani People far from Islam because when we far from Islam Evil Power can defeat us
Ah Allah! Keep Pakistan safe without ur help Pakistan can’t sustained,Help us with Reference of Ur Belove Hazrat Muhammad(P.B.U.H).
WE MUST BECOME MUCH MUCH STRONG MUSLIM THAT’S WHY WE DEFEAT OUR ENEMIES AND BY GOD NO SAYS THAT WE SHOULD BECOME SECULAR.THIS IS ONLY TACT OF OUR ENEMY.
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Thanks Allah Hafiz you and Our Great Country,
Pakistan Zinda bad………….
salams:
I have to say that this article was partially of right and partially wrong. I agree that extremism should not be enforced against the peoples will or despite of their will as the core concept of Islam is freedom and freewill….
But I totally disagree that the jihadis are not doing right to fight for the cause of Palestine, Kashmir and Kosovo etc Thats totally absurd and preposterous, If the muslims are fighting to free themselves of evil foreign rules in a land that rightfully belongs to them then that itself is a just cause………
Though I am concerned and repulsed to realize so much fellow paki comment writer above are so fundamentally minded (shariah rule duh!!! there is no shariaw “law” in Islam, only a deen religion for people to follow themselves and not be followed against there will… as I said the writer is correct about freedom of choice in a country, separation of religion and state….
….only the part about not resorting to violence to attain freedom from nonmulsim rule in a majority muslim populated state ie Kashmir, Palestine, Kosova etc I dont agree…..
Quoting: “Those who oppose Islamic Law means Shariat Mutahra they are Murtad people and according to Shariat Mutahra they supposed to be killed in public, how can we allow them to speak against Islamic teaching when they don’t even know what Islam is all about, how can we listen to those who do not know what Allah and prophet says. And those bastards speak about secularism they are indeed traitors and are Fasik-Fajir/Kafir-o-Mushrik/Munafiq-e-azam/Shia/Dhahrie/Qadiani-o-Marzai without doubt.”
Its a pleasure to see fascists demanding our death. It really makes me feel special.
@Awais Masood: Reading ur message clearly portrays the fundamental pakis state of mind…. they are emotional, dont think straight, and use abusive language a lot…..who the heck say we are demanding yu mullahs deaths… we only “demand” that u stay away from our politics, our law and be confined to ur “gloomy” and outdated maddarasah’s…
Shahzad,
I have quoted one of the comments in this thread and was merely commenting on it. I am on your side man. Peace!
@Awais Masood: Oh sorry Awais, the appearance of the letter made it look to me as if u were quoting the said quote:=>… sorry anyways….
Assalam-o-Alaikum!!
Cool down my brothers and sisters (If any
)
I’ve been reading this whole page and believe me….. The comments were more than the article itself!!!
Almost all of the commenters are cursing the author.. Some say that the author should remove the article… Some say that he is an asshole (Oops)… Some say that he is not a Muslim/Pakistani… And the list goes on. Some would even be thinking of killing the author. You know why? Just because he said something against your belief (Your personal belief actually). Bullshit!!!! Thats what I call zero tolerance. And thats what happens when we have bomb blasts in Masjids. How can we do this? Did Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) acted like that? (Even if someone harmed him). Then how can we curse/stop/kill someone for sharing his views. (And thats what the author is trying to do). Believe me guys… We have no tolerance at all.
We will not use our brains for the benefits of mankind. Instead… we will use our strength to kill innocent people… We will kill those who share their views… That what Islam teaches us? I don’t think so…
And about secular Pakistan… Hmmm. Lets first check what the word ‘secular’ means. It means ‘not concerned with religion’. It also means ‘not religious’. I think here the author simply means by secular Pakistan to having a government which is not concerned with any religion. Instead it is in favor of people.
Some even say that Islam is perfect (And Alhamdo lillah I too believe it). But kiska Islam? Mera Islam ya tumhara Islam? Sunni Islam ya Shia Islam? And there are others too…. (I know now someone will reply “How you dare to call Shias as muslim!!” LOL!! I’m just talking about their belief!!). So people think about it… If we want implement Islamic Law completely than the government won’t be able to serve the Muslims too. (Bcoz we already have too many sects.). So in this case… The author may be right…
In the last… Someone asked the author “How would you feel if someone teased your daughter/sister/mother?”. WTF!!!? What this thing is to do with a secular/democratic government? Let me tell you something dude… The Americans (or all of the westerns) too hate and response when someone teases their daughters/mothers/sisters… From where did you heard that it is normal in the WEST? And something you don’t like of them.. Its just because of cultural difference..
And in the last (By GOD it is last one now
) someone said that the author should not brain wash the minds of Pakistani Youth!! No dude… We are already brain washed by our parents, by our teachers, and off course by our religious leaders… We are brain washed so badly that we don’t want to even listen a single word which makes you think that its against Islam (Though it may be in Islam).
Guys!!! I’m neither Non-Muslim nor any agent (LOL!!!). I’m an ordinary Muslim (Alhamdolillah) and a Pakistani. I’m not living in abroad instead I’m living in Pakistan. My views were same like you guys.. But what made me change was a single visit to Makkah and Madinah. I wish you all visit Saudi Arabia and learn something new. (Though the Saudi Government is very strict in implementing Islam but tell you what??? More than 90% people think that the government sucks!!!
).
I apologize if I hurt you by saying anything against your thought/belief.
I respect your beliefs (And expect the same from you).
Moral: We need to develop tolerance in ourselves.
Assalam-o-Alaikum
Pakistan would lose it identity if it goes secular, nor was this the intention of Mr Jinnah. He created Pakistan on the basis of two nation theory hence that would continue.
Those who are trying controversy on the identity of Pakistan or make Mr Jinnah or Dr Iqbal controversial or irrelevant, then they are the biggest enemies of Pakistan and its people.
Assalam Alaykum;
Thanks to Allah… Majority are against Secularism…
and for Seclar people…their dreams will never come true..InshaAllah
This Pakistan is For Islam… If No Islam then No Pakistan… and InshAAllah it will never happen…
Great Quaid and Great Poet(Dr. Iqbal) had support of Great ulema of that time… Like Moulana Ashraf Ali thanvi, Moulana Syed Suleman nadvi, Mufti Shafi, Moulana Shabbir Ahmed usmani, Moulana Zafar Ahmed usmani…and many other great ulemas…
Jalnay Walay Jaltay rahay…Jahanum main jalnay ki practice ho rahi hai… the one who is against the rule of islam is Kaffir and murtad… phir chahy wo jo karay… jitna well educated ho… in Doctor / Tv Modern Mullao nay Mulk ki deeni Hamiat ko barbad karnay ka Theka uthaya hoa hay… Allah in say Pochay… Long Live Real Taliban… They are Real Lions of Islam.. they are not like these infidels (i.e the writer of this article) who have sold their identity against some dollars…
Allah Humaray Mulk ko Islam ka Qila banaye… Ameen
Assalam O Alaykum !
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Zameer Niaz: The only BASTARD here is you you filthy kaffir.Stooges like you who collaborated with the British etc and helped them massacre muslims then and now have no support as can be seen by the 95% who oppose secularism.To the scum like you and the rest of the kaffirs like Zulaikha,Achakzai,etc drown in you hatred of Islam because Islam is eternal and you scum will meet your maker and we shall see if your secular credentials will help you.Islam zindabad, Islamic pakistan zindabad.
bravo Mr.Sikandar…@Sikander Malik: every problem has a root cause …majority of this nation still follows Islam in their own way or according to what their parents have taught them or with best of their ability so even in a democratic way or majority system you can not ignore them …secondly root cause is not Mullah because most of our orphan and poor youth is supported educated and fed by Madrassas for free and provided jobs in mosques offices and institutes or teach yours and mine kids ”Siparah in Arabic” , they are not extremists or bombers ….Madrassas have saved this state from a complete disaster because our state could not provide basic life to these poor families(any hoot I am not discussing Madrassas here) …the root cause of this problem is that Islam happens to be the only system which introduces a balanced society by character building and protecting morality of a human being but unfortunately it clashes with the man made system which only helps those who rule just study”Pheroah”and his ways …so for this system a higher power or principles which not only protect the commoners but also educate right and wrong on a very basic level , is a huge threat …so sometimes we see Mullahs are criticized or pushed back(like these days) or used (as we have seen in Afghan war) …sexuality is bombarded on the youth through magazines Tv and their role models in the name of modern life style or business …
Islam does not impose any life style but makes it crystal clear and gives you choice chapter 2 verse 256 There is no compulsion in the (Judgment)Deen but it has been made very clear the difference between the guided and the misguided life ….. ”
A bomb can not be defused by another bomb It is always defused within itself”
so have we the non-Mulahs tried to understand Quran/Hadis and question the misunderstandings and our confusions ?
2Nd STEP have we tried to answer the west where this wind blows from ..people living in the west also need whats missing in there lives ”chapter 10 verse 57 ”O Mankind(not just Muslims) surely has arrived an advice from your Lord which heals whats in the chests (in my ignorant mind or chest its ego,anger,misconceptions,filth,expectorant for others,jealousy,depression,lust etc)but guidance and blessings for those who are practical believers……which means even on a human level the Book will cure and heal but who owns the Book today where is it sitting right now ?
is it in my house ??
West still thinks Islam teaches killing and suppression and I dont blame them thats the info what they have been given…so should I reject Islam because of it or understand it first …..in my little experience in the last few years I have had discussions and made friends with Hindus,Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists,Jews and all sects /faiths of Islam and it was a huge success as they all were surprised knowing that it was all written in Quran.
49 13 O Mankind we created you from male and female and made you tribes and nations so you are identified .surely in the sight of Allah the most high grade is the one who is more conscious(righteous) ”
Chapter 2 verse 2 The Book which has no doubt/twist in it is guides the righteous(or who want to be I guess)
Regards
@Najam Sheraz: so the crux of the matter is that lets not become two extremes either those who want to kill others on the basis of faith and are being used OR those who blame Islam on the basis of the actions of some individuals and promote a concept of liberalism who’s price West is already paying as Mr.Sikandar has mentioned in his message chapter 2 143 We have made you a balanced nation ….
and As Prophet Mohammed PBUH said a Muslim is the one from who’s words and hands others are safe/protected ”
the best way is to work day and night to defuse the fire the wrong concepts not just give statements against each other …We all know the Role Model and the best example of patience , hard work,forgiveness,focus ,wisdom,courtesy,education, compassion ,….
lets turn the cameras towards ourselves and ask what am I doing to counter the evil in my given life, talent and position…
when I do that I want to improve my condition and contribute more ….May Allah keep us all motivated and humble
Pakistan Zinda a Bad
I think Mr Ibrahim Sajid Malick have readed sooooooooo many books of western authors but forget to read the basics of partition of indopak…….two nation theory which every child read in 5th class book in pakistan.
Now plz dont start critisizing government to erase dat two nation theory from books as you seems paid agency writer at times
SALAMS….
Concerning the various articles, books and comments I have come across either in the books, newspapers, internet or magazines etc mainly by extremist zealots regarding “khilafat” and “shariah law” my views are as follows…..
Although I cannot deduce with certainty whether khilafat in Muslim countries is worth endeavoring for or not, whether it is right or wrong……
though i can clearly say this with perfect conviction and confidence that the way to khilafat or shariah is definitely not through force or violence.
This is the Mensheviks approach which is inhumane, evil and illogical. All the extremist parties and groups’ approach to khilafat i.e. Taliban, Al-
Qaida, and Jaish etc through violence against fellow muslims and humans especially in Afghanistan, Iraq and Northern Pakistan and indirectly in
other areas of the worlds through suicide bombings and the like brutally killing other innocent humans…… is EVIL and barbarous and they should be condoned.
The true way to Khilafat, if even the term exists, is not through force or violence but only through conquering the minds and hearts of people through
Da’wa (peaceful sermons) and proper exemplary behavior. It is the people
themselves who, if properly guided and they deem think right, will bring on Khilafat, not in the form of some law of the country or the like but only through majority and weight through their own actions, culture and ways.
The state and the religion are two separate entities… as in the religion there is only one kind of persons (even they having different perception of religion itself) while in the state there are plethora of people with
diverse beliefs, faiths and convictions.
Therefore all the persons and parties like Taliban, Al Qaeda, Jaish etc are well and clearly Evil, anti Moslem and narrow minded persons… and so should be prosecuted with force even by the muslim leaders and people themselves to rid the world of such evil menace and protect fellow innocent peace loving human beings.
PEACE….
After reading your article I was confused as to why Pakistan was created? What was the two nation theory about? If we were to be a secular nation why did we part from the secular India.SOME OF OUR MUSLIM BROTHERS ARE LIVING PEACEFULLY there. Then if Mr.Ibrahim will kindly explain the reason of partition to the new Pakistani born children it would be so clear.Just condemning religion is not the answer.Was the creation of Pakistan a great big mistake?? This is,in my view the central idea of your article.
this is in reference to mr Shahzad above,
his post smells of a brain washed psychology, awash with dreams of the Western civilization and unable to understand, what the message of islam is.
he is lost between word. such weighty tricky words like, PEACE, DEMOCRACY, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, EQUALITY
can he explain, how democracy is being spread in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Why the Secular Europe, make fun of prophets and yet people who deny holocast are imprisoned ??
Why building Mirarets is being banned in Switzerland?
Why head scarves are banned in France??? while nuns roam about freely in head dress.
Why did Bush tell Mr Chirac (former French president)to participate in crusade aagains the muslims in Iraq ???
Why are Christian missionaries distributing free Bibles in Afghanistan ???
He should better learn the meaning of HYPOCRISY, it will bode him well.A course in The Arrival Series, on youtube will be beneficial as well.
the fact is that there is no separation between the state & religion. Its a propaganda gimmick which people fall for time and again.
The Holy Prophet PBUH showed us how both have to be implemented together, for our success in this world and the Hereafter. any deviation will not be acceptable to Allah almighty.
Islam can only be resurrected by following the message of Quran and Sunnah.
khudda hafiz
@farrukh:
I appreciate the time u took to criticize and air ur views on my comments written above, here is my reply to u regarding ur own views regarding this matter….
The notion that u have that these basic self evident fundamental rights of all human beings like PEACE, fREEDOM OF SPEECH, EQUALITY, Freedom to practice their relegion, are ONLY fickle WESTERN ideals…….. then u are way too wrong bro…. These are the Universal ideals self evident by all those sane persons who have even the wink of a common sense. These are not western ideals as wrongly believe by u fundamental zealots but a universal and human rather humane ideals……
……Secondly All the countries u have cited ARE of western civilization pioneers and their specifically mentioned actions like banning head scarves, bulldozing minarets etc etc WERE done in western liberal cultures but these are the exact actions that i am trying to prove is anti humane and unfair and evil…. and which i have to say are the exact actions which u “narrow minded” fundamental zealots are trying to implement like banning clapping in crowds, mandatory beards, women in burqaaas etc etc in Afghanistan, NWFP … blatantly punishing those who do the opposite…. not even understanding the context of those islamic laws let alone the right INTERPRETATION of it… so U guyz are on the same footing the example of which (france, swiss) u have given………
As a fact I have never hinted or said that i support western culture only that i don’t approve these fickle fundamental parties of using force to implement their own obscenely narrow minded implementation of Islam which is a infact relegion of moderation, peace, equality and free will, free to for the muslims to act according to their level of devotion, free for the non muslims to follow their relegion without fear, violence or being blown away to smitheerens….. I totally condone the taliban like parties like jaish etc and also support the author on the issue pertaining to seperation of STATE AND RELEGION……….
… use of force or arms and other means to force people into making them exactly alike a dry and robotic zealot w\o any freedom is EVIL …
… There is no need of resurrection of islam there is only a need of reburial of the overly fundamental kind of zealots whose main aim in this world was and is to remain in their Madarasshs and to leave politics alone……
PEACE….
to Shahzad again, plz
If economic progress is what you mean, then it will come through ‘free enterprise’ and not thru socialism or state-religion separation. Liberty and Islamic practice are two sides of the same coin. Neither can function optimally without the other. Only with freedom can we practice our faith, and only with faith can we temper our freedom.
We hold our destiny in our hands. We must utilize our
abilities to better ourselves, our families, our communities and
our beloved nation, all while ‘holding fast to the rope of Allah’.
We were created to worship and depend on the Almighty alone,
and no other. This is our creed: there is no God but Allah, and
Muhammad is His messenger. We place our trust in Him and
Him alone. He suffices for us. No State, faction or party can
replace His mercy and provision.
Now we hear the same talk in Pakistan that was heard in the
West not so long ago. That faith ‘should be relegated to the
private sphere’, that there should be a ‘separation of church and
State’. The Western world is now demoralized and spiritually
broken. Its people have no sense of purpose. Do we want the
same fate for ourselves? As ethics become relativistic, and
social norms and moral codes are changed at the whim of the
governing classes, social breakdown is inevitable. When
politicians go so far as to dictate all human activity in detail,
trying to mould and fashion it in their self-interest, morality
and justice is always compromised. Let us beware. It is no
coincidence that the ‘intelligentsia’ who rule over us are so
contemptuous of Islamic values.
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@Farrukh
I dont mean economic freedom in anyway…it is an irrelevant matter in this regard..
i only say that, as do the author of this article, that there should be freedom for both shia, ismailis, hindus, sunni, zealots, moderates, hanbalis, jaafars, hanfis and even the nonmuslim minorities… that all these be allowed to practice their relgions freely according to their own beleifs, convictons and culture……with no overly “relegious” “STATE” laws what u guys wrongly think as shariah……..and this is only possible if and when the religion is separated from the state which are both incompatible couples and can never be wed w\o adverse and harmful consequences…..
Let me clarify that as opposed to Legal self evident ‘ethical laws… there is no clear consensus even between muslims of different sects as to what is right and what is law, what is optional, what is mandatory…….
u say that west as race has delegated itself to unethical,
substandard and irreligious moral standards where rape, kids
without marriage, adultrery, murders and the like have become rampant……These actions that u have mentioned are actions which
is worthy of disdain in any society…. bt these actions are not as a direct result of separation of state and the religion but only due to
the fact that the religion itself had become corrupted and was corrupted only because the people whose job was to stop people and guide them onto right way were themselves incorrigibly corrupted had the thirst for “power” and money and they forget to recognize their own duty and allowed these evil practices to go on……..
I Beleive in Freedom…. Freedom to LIVE….
Peace Out…
@Farrukh
Regarding ur quote: “….as ethics become relativistic, and
social norms and moral codes are changed at the ‘whim of the
governing classes’, social breakdown is inevitable….”
What do u think… that these secular governing class and elites through laws will itself be perpetuating such evil practices
as rape, premarital sex, adultery and the like… well let me tell u no current single ideal secular govt in existence today
has any laws or codes that says one to do such evil stuff that perpetuate evil practuces….contrary to that they publically
punish and constrain these practices….
…..it is the people themselves (in the west) who have formed such evil culture and it is not as a result of ruling elites or governments codes…
Even in Saudia where there is Sharaiah law there are cases of adultery, (a police there raped a paki women in her house
there when they had came to her house regarding his husband who was in jail there for traffic violation), murder(a zealot
pakistani living there from another sect had murdered a mullah of a mosque as he was condemning shrine practices), there is
also theft there, most rich arab men go to west to have adultery, even there is theft to a high degree, people killing each
other for petty fightings……and i know such news as i myself have lived in Saudia for 10 years,… other than the fact that it is a rich country i have to say that i have found it a very dry and boring place due to the same totally senseless “Shariah” law there….
So as u can see shariah as a law dont affect the society it only makes them miserable……….
Amen that in Pakistan there is no fundamental regime here in Pakistan like in KSA and Iran….We are totally blessed due to this fact…….
Peace
sir,
The idea of separation of religion from state was thought up in the west, since their religion and indeed all others except islam are simply not comprehensive enough to dictate all aspects of life. neither at an individual level nor as a community / state. Whereas, Islam gives clear guidelines about financial matters, trade, commmerce, family laws,
inheritance, women rights, punishments, rights of minorities, relationship with neighbours, scientific exploration, technology, war, negotiations etc. Not only do they look good on paper but are clearly practicable as demonstrated by Holy Prophet PBUH and the pious Caliphs. When a divine religion exists in truth, why do you think it is necessary to follow
a system proposed by man?. whatever, its seeming merits.
As you know Imam Mahdi will come some day, what do we expect whether he will establish a secular country or bring a new shariat. He will simply implement the Quran and Sunnah and resultingly take the muslims once again to heights that humanity has ever experienced.
Islam is not just a religion in the classical sense and this definition will bear me out
”The word ‘Din’ appears in as many as 79 verses in the Quran, and it is often translated as religion for convenience since there is no equivalent single satisfactory English word. In the Qur’an, Islam is always referred to as Dīn. It is the sum total of a Muslim’s faith and the code and conduct necessary to submit to Allah’s laws. ” from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C4%ABn
the Caliphate implemented the Shariah. It was the most progressive and dynamic state.Islam reached heights of its glory in the ensuing period.destroying such established civilizations as the romans and persians. the failure to continue in their illustrious footsteps is a collective failure of this ummah, and not a failure of our deen-e-islam.
Allah Almighty says in the quarn at Suarh 5, verse 3 ” This day, I have
perfected your deen (religion) for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islâm as your deen”.
these Holy words mean something, dont they?
When the Lord of the Worlds says that the religion is perfect, then i think, rather it is my faith that it is perfect for each and every situation, time and nation till the last day.
we are afraid that Shariah will take us back 1400 yrs. nothing can be further from the truth. the West has brain-washed us into believing that.
I am not supporting the narrow mindedness (in some aspects) of the taliban, and all such movements that use force on their fellow muslims to achieve their aim. There is no compulsion in religion. ie nobody can force another person to accept islam, but the law of Allah has to be implemented. We have to find a minimum common ground between sects. mostly
the differences are in family laws, which can be governed by concerned fiqh of the sect. All muslims do believe in the quran, dont they? And when we are so fond of democracy (another name of majority-ism) then there is no harm in following what the religion of majority is (just a thought).
regarding, the bland life in SA, it is no wonder that islam in true sense is not implemented in one inch of this earth.neither are the muslims willing to implement it in letter and spirit. although, each one hopes and prays to go to Jannah, a place of peace only because man has no say in its functioning, and only Allah’s laws are implemented.
Lastly, we as pakistanis are doubly to be blamed. our forefathers promised Allah that they would follow islam in the true sense, when given an opportunity in a free country. but the generations thereafter did not do so. We are in a state of collective sin. Pakistan can never achieve its destiny without Islam. it will lurch from one catastrophe to another, rudderless and blinded. Havent we experimented enough with Socialism of Bhutto, Capitalism of Shaukat Aziz, One Unit Policy, dictatorship, democracy ?? Lets give Islam a chance. Just by naming the country Islamic Republic is not going to serve any purpose. When the very Interest-based Monetary System, so close to our hearts is what Allah has declared war upon.
Pakistan was created on the basis of the efforts of our Holy Prophet PBUH. And it will therefore achieve its destiny, whether we (the present generation) are able to achieve this honour is up to our own efforts.Allah will inshallah honour the efforts of his prophet. and Allah of course does not need any of us to achieve his goal. for evidence i respectfully urge you and the readers to plz:
1- watch last 07 min of GEO program at
http://pkpolitics.com/2009/08/10/aaj-kamran-khan-kay-saath-10-august-2009/
2- read article at
http://www.pakistanfirst.com/the-holy-quran/1469-spiritual-guardianship-of-pakistan.html
3- read second last paragraph od Quaid’s last public speech
http://www.pro-pakistan.com/2009/08/15/quaid-e-azam-muhammad-ali-jinnah-speech-on-state-bank-of-pakistan-inaugration/
May Allah guide us in His infinite wisdom and fulfil the vision of His beloved Prophet PBUH. May He use us in Hs divine scheme of things and resultantly grant us success in this world and the Hereafter.Ameen.
Salaam.
I think that Mr.Shahzad is not aware of What is happening in Pakistan?He should take interest in current affairs.
I still think that accidently Pakistan became a secular state instead of an islamic state.No difference between Pakistan and India.
another good reference is :
1st 3 min of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v02A0C2t_kM&feature=related
khdda Pakistan ka hami wa nasir ho, aameen