Today we mark the one year anniversary of the darkest day in South Asia’s history. On November 26, 2008, ten misguided young men who were being controlled by a command center in Pakistan reached Mumbai in a small fishing boat. Before entering the shores of Mumbai these terrorists had already killed the captain and crew of the boat.
HBO today televised a documentary narrated by Fareed Zakaria, a Mumbai born American journalist. ‘Terror in Mumbai.’ an extremely informative documentary compresses three days of mayhem – three days when ten Pakistani young men who had mobile phones and machine guns killed 170 people and wounded 300 more, sending shockwaves of fear around the world. I was horrified watching this 360-degree view of the terrorist act, recounted in harrowing detail – especially because these young men came from a country, I call my own.
Phone calls intercepted and recorded between these men sent on ‘jihad’ and their commander in Pakistan were heart wrenching. And, so was statement of Kasab, the only gunman who survived. As this documentary depicted, these young Pakistan men received instructions over the telephone, leaving a trail of evidence that led Indian investigators to the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), a group fighting Indian rule in the disputed region of Kashmir. Pakistan’s military and ISI were also accused of backing the militants, a charge Islamabad has denied. New Delhi named 38 people in an 11,000-page charge sheet filed in a Mumbai court in February.
At some level I feel sorry for these lost souls- poverty stricken, uneducated young men who were fooled by conniving leaders of LeT and other fundamentalist organizations, However, I have no sympathies for their leaders- whomsoever they maybe. These characters have eroded the Pakistani society and have pushed us in a state of profound crisis.
I can’t forgive them because these morally corrupt LeT leaders have pushed us in a crisis that is complex, and multi-dimensional with facets that touch every aspect of our lives: our health and livelihood, the quality of our environment and our social relationships, our ideology, economy, and politics. It is a crisis of intellectual, moral, and spiritual dimensions; a crisis of a scale and urgency unprecedented in Pakistan’s 63 year history..
As a Pakistani, I stand today with my head down – embarrassed that my country has been hijacked by illiterate and irrational people – from self styled clergy to the army. These men will do anything they can to pursue their fantasy. Even if that means hoodwinking simple, young Pakistani men and murdering of innocent civilians on both sides of Indo-Pak border.
Undoubtedly, India is a belligerent regional hegemony and we must protect Pakistan’s sovereignty, independence and dignity. But these wayward leaders who exploit religion and patriotism have managed to drown the voices of reason and rationality. With Petro dollars supported tribal and Wahabi influence Pakistan’s social structures and behavior patterns have become so rigid that this country can no longer adapt to changing situations, it is unable to carry on the creative process of cultural evolution.
Read response to my earlier blogs and you will find an eerie uniformity of opinion. Even those who are tolerant, progressive, democratic are willing to condone terrorists in the name of Islam and nation. This uniformity and lack of self-reflection are clear signs that our society is in the process of disintegration.
As I watched this documentary I was reminded of acts of terrorism Pakistanis witness everyday- every Pakistani is a victim. Unless Pakistan’s progressive and democratic forces are willing to take on the retrogressive elements we will concede our right to opinion, education and way of life. Fundamentalists will prohibit freedom of expression and use all coercive apparatus to crush opposition. Education will be discouraged and whatever little is allowed, will be subverted by distortion of curricula. You can argue what is new- it has always been the case? It is the intensity that will change. We are not talking about FATA or NWFP or the tribal areas. This monster is already in cosmopolitan cities like Karachi and Lahore.
I was horrified to hear the Punjabi accent of those controlling these 10 terrorists. I was horrified when these young men were ordered to shoot hostages- I can’t express my anger and fear.
We, the Pakistani people should seek forgiveness from the families of those who lost loved ones in Mumbai. We should let the people of Mumbai know that we are just as much a victim. We should let them know that we don’t condone these acts of violence.
We, the Pakistani people should let our rulers know that they can’t indulge in adventurism like LeT anymore. We should let ISI and MI know that we will not pay their salary if they do not immediately cease all relations with all terrorist outfits.
Update: To all those who have suggested that my article assigns direct responsibility for Mumbai to the Government of Pakistan, let me be clear that is not what I am saying. One can apologize for acts done in the name of one’s nation, or in this case one’s religion, by their governments, or by their citizens, without assuming direct and absolute responsibility; just as many anti-war Americans have gone to Iraq and Afghanistan and apologized to the people for the war waged upon them by the U.S. government. I think here of the group September 11th Families for a Peaceful Tommorrow who have actively protested the war in Afghanistan and have even travelled there to apologize directly to the people of Afghanistan. It takes a big heart and courage to take such a position. Pakistanis should muster up the courage and do the same.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:00 am
I am searching internet but can’t find this documentary. is there a link to watch it?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Real Pakistanis will never apologize to Hindu banyas… they deserve what they got. You are a BASTARD for apologizing to Indians. LeT is a legitimate organization. Pakistan Army should support them openly.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Sir Malick, Salaam alaikum to you. I want to take my previous comment back. You are trully honest person. Although you write against India you are also writing against terrorism. And, I salute you. If there were few more Pakistanis like you we will have permanent peace in South Asia.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
malik saab how da hell u say they came from Pakistan n they were controlled by Pakistanis. Shame on u for seeing only one side of da pic n falling prey to propaganda.Y shud we apologize when India is helping spread terorrism in da our homeland and they r killing kashmiris.How can u just forget dat . i want ur ans on this.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
hello everyone,
i am an Indian, but before that a human being.i would also like you understand that mistakes have been done from both sides of the border, but people who say we got back what we deserved are totally wrong , i can launch a discussion on how correct we are or how pakistanis are BUT will it be a solution??????? try to understand we are neighbors and we need to cut across the political crap and find a peaceful solution else both the countries will suffer in the future.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
i have been through your articles…. great effort Sajid sb
Thanks for your initiative
November 27th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
I dont know who are you Mr. Malick? I think you dont know the whole story and you are just puglishing only a part of propaganda. it is evident from Swat operation that some of those captured alive or dead were Indian agents and now there are evidences that Indian agencies are involved and promoting Waziristan terrorist activiteies. so why we opologize rather it should be the indians. shame on you that you are not publishing the truth
November 27th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
what a shameless article…. self planted and self generated drame which ended in the killings of accuses involved in Samjhoota Train…
i feel pitty abt indian forces who can controlled 10 men for 3 days and then they say they wud Pakistan Army….. my sympathies to Indian dreams and their allys ….
U talk abt limited wars…. i say just try it once then see ur fate… we will make sure that u bloody indians will bleed from ur nine holes…..
November 27th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Both sides (India and Pak) have done a lot of evil, and both sides have also achieved many things. It’s good to point out to flaws – but only if we can learn from them and correct our mistakes of the past, and not if the reason is merely egoistic.
We are, at the end of the day, fellow human beings and have to share this land and it’s resources.
All extremist forces – form all sides – must be defeated. All peace loving people – from India and Pakistan – should unite for peace.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
@PAKISTANI: @PAKISTANI: @PAKISTANI:
You know what! You guys always focused to destroy India and Hindus.
BUT, India always focused on its growth!
Today your foreign reserve is just $15 billion. Our BSC (Bombay Stock Exchange) got FDI of $18 billion in last three quarters of 2009 alone!!
How long will you survive with such a short amount ?
One more thing..If you have noticed..Indian’s are not reacting with same hate the way we did earlier…
Pakistan already got the cancer and will die in next 3-5 years time. it will be atleast 2-3 different countries by then.
You can continue spreading hate on forums like this and call a man like
Ibrahim Sajid a BASTARD. At least he is honest.
Btw: Even a lot of Muslim’s died in this massacre..Now you will say that Indian Muslim’s are ‘kafirs’..
If you people are the chosen ones by god, then why are you living such a pathetic life ? why your future is going to dogs ? Why are you sinking ?
India’s focus has already shifted towards China. Pakistan..you are not a enemy that we need to worry about. Your days are counted.
Live better…There are many things to do than trying to destroy others..
November 27th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
@Siddharth Singh: What evil has India done buddy ?
November 27th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Dear Malick its really strange that you are talking about forgivness from those family, though i belive that what happend in Mumbai were certainly wrong and no one in Pakistan like this and happy but forgivness is strange to me as its not our play. Its a big bloody world game and no one knows who hit who but them(think tanks) and please dont put your head down to their shows. Does any one said WE ARE SORRY this blood shed and booming in Pakistan ,knock knock did you hear….. no nobody is crying but we Pakistanis only,we are paying the price of the game they play and enjoy. I hope that you will remove this word
November 27th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Malick Sahab, hats off to you for your bold condolence. Hearty Salute.
Pakistani, you wrote “Real Pakistanis will never apologize to Hindu banyas… they deserve what they got. You are a BASTARD for apologizing to Indians. LeT is a legitimate organization. Pakistan Army should support them openly”
Jawad, you wrote, “Y shud we apologize when India is helping spread terorrism in da our homeland and they r killing kashmiris”
I will not indulge in condemning your statements. Each of you have the right to express your own feelings. You certainly have been through some torment that has led you to believe this. Believe this brothers, we all share the same history, culture and heritage. We lived in harmony for centuries. We lived, cried, laughed, fought and ate together. But today we can only see what some people want us to see i.e we dont look beyond what we are being shown. Every bomb blast in India gets linked to Pakistan by our media, and I will not be surprised if every sad event in Pakistan is being linked to India. What we must agree is that we have miscreants on both side of the border. We have enough miscreants in our home country. Rather than pointing fingers at each other and blaming the other country, we should stand united against these miscreants. Believe it or not, the miscreants in both of our countries operate unitedly. When they strike in India, Pakistan gets blamed. When they strike Pakistan, India is blamed. They have so much unity and planning within them even they are on the wrong side. But what do we have in ourselves? Neither are we united, nor do we want to unite.
Trust me brother, the pain, the wounds and the colour of blood is the same on both sides. Hopefully, India and Pakistan will overcome the lack of vision and unity when our incapable and belligerent leaders pass on the torch to the younger generation.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Ibrahim Sajid Malik, what is with you? you get paid for such propaganda or is it just the leftist upbringing?
Pakistan was most probably not involved in what ever happend in Bombay…..To make us feel sorry and the whole world blame us for it all was an indian propaganda move which sadly succeeded to quite an extent, coutesy of the pro hindu and anti pakistan lobbies inside the west predominantly zionist/evangelical and the failure of our ISPR and the foreign policy.
The bottom line is maybe it was just RAW trying the same 9/11 trick to terrorize their own ppl and boost the election campaign and follow the US set example of invading the blamed country which failed to achieve its ultimate goal, thanks to some in the army and the One up there in the heavens. Even if it was the ISI then a common Pakistani like me has nothing to be blamed for and Kudos to ISI in that case.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
You anti-Pakistan prick. Apologize??? for what, for not holding the plebiscite in Kashmir or burning trains or the human rights violations done in occupied Kashmir… or for what India did to ramchand… or violating water treaty. You want a list of things india did. Its an non exhaustive list my friend… We had nothing to do with 26/11. I havnt forgotten gujrat slaughter or burning trains. It will be foolish to do so. I have nothing against the Indian people. But if don’t think even for a second that India is innocent.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Ibrahim Malick is a bloody sell off!!! Anti-Pakistni propogation agent. I despise you Mr Malick.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Hi Mr. Pakistan,
It clearly seems that you are very much concerned and alarmed for your state of concerns. But the fact is your country is into so much turmoil that citizens of your country, like you, are not even heard in your own country. As a citizen of India, I really feel that only a miracle is going to save your country from this inevitable death of civil rights, that you have mentioned.
At last, you stated that ISI & MI will not be paid their salaries, I guess, they receive their salaries from Uncle SAM and big fundings from there friends in the UAE so your opinion is ignore able in your country.
But this all is good to know.
Thanks for your concern though.
An Indian Citizen.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Proud to be Pakistan. And saying sorry to u bastards r just a dream of u. Apologising from us to u bastards. Haha hahaha. Pakistanis r right what they have done. Pakistan Zindabad. Long live Pakistan Army
November 27th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
And BTW did you get a chance to read the views of your own country men here? It says it all!! They are countering you very well.. Its funny!
November 27th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
@faisal: 10 men 3 days…It took three days cause we care for the peole struck inside and their life. Had it been happened in pakistan, it will only take 30 mins for you guys to clear..because u don’t care about your people.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Friends, lets try not to spreak hatred against each other country. The people who are trying to destroy each others country dont really care about India or Pakistan. Each of us dont get to know what some of the miscreants from our land are doing on the other side. I read a few things mentioned about India in this forum that a common man in India is not even aware of. Similarly, there are so many things that I can tell you about misconducts from the other side which you have not heard. The people who are causing hatred are playing thei rgame very well. Can you recollect when was the last time you personally hurt an Indian with your own hands? Can you recollect when was the last time an Indian personally hurt you with his own hands? Even I cannot recollect any such instances. But we still have so much hatred for each other country. Do you really think that our respective governments are telling us the truth? No.
Do you really think that you and I know the real story…. No.
Let’s not term the terrorists as Pakistanis or Indians. These people are anti-social elements who dont care about any person, religion or region. This is the time to be united and try to eliminate the miscreants in our own respective regions, rather than live another 60 years playing the blame-game living the enmity, trying to ensure that our future generation continues to hate each other country.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
@jawad:
Jawad Stop Killing People in the name of Kashmir for God Sake.
I am Kashmiri and know what is happen in our lives. We have learned to respect Human life. what has happen in Mumbai is barbarian act. Whole world knows who did it. your anger on Mr.Malik shows how ignorant are you.
your country is bleeding save it before these tribal s & illiterate maulana’s convert it into Afghanistan.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
@Hassan Khan: Whatever happened in Gujarat is a mistake…So what r u going to do ? repeat the same mistake by killing more ??
November 27th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
@Saad: Proud!! for what ???
November 27th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Dear Malik Sahab….
Most of what you say is true. Except for one thing: that our “leaders” (both civilian and military) are involved in this. Pakistan’s Army/ISI/MI would not (so overtly) support a gang of homocidal pyschopaths to kill 150+ civilians. It serves no purpose (including strategics).
Anyways, the rest is very true. Especially, “… behavior patterns have become so rigid that this country can no longer adapt to changing situations” (as is also evident from the abusive comments here)
I commend you for having the courage to face reality. We are in a crisis. A major crisis. And we need to resolve it or else Pakistan could become a hell-hole worst than Afghanistan.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
What happened on 26/11 was against humanity..agreed, but who should be seeking forgiveness for it? Pakistan is itself fighting with terrorism funded from foreign forces and elements from US, India, Al Qaeda, taliban etc and u r saying that Pakistan should be seeking forgiveness??? Have u gone mad Mr Sajid Malick.. Definitely u have Sir..
India border security forces and Indian Government should be seeking forgiveness for letting such a thing happen in their financial capital. They (Indian govt) just mapped out a propaganda against Pakistan on mass scale, in order to hide their fault and mismanagement and stupid people like u still think pakistan is responsible for 26/11…?? No its not.. Not at all…
November 27th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
@faisal: first go to ur english teacher nd learn how its said…and about indian army,how can u 4get that u have never won a single war against us…u bloody illiterate,shameless sob,who the f are u to feel pity when u cant even spell it correctly..you cant even accept ur fault nd blame on whoever comes to ur mind blindly,nd when a person is appolozising in a public forum on behalf of all of u,knowing that his life ll be endangered in his native land full of uncivilised people,u cant even acknowledge it..
November 27th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Let me add here, to all the proud Indians here.. Kindly donot be too much concerned about Pakistan’s present bad state of affairs.. Pakistan’s strength is its talented and patriotic people and they will solve all their problems themselves and eventually come back to beat u… and U know we can beat really badly.. Just like Cricket>… Hahahaha
November 27th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
@shah: I really second the following lines from U..
“The bottom line is maybe it was just RAW trying the same 9/11 trick to terrorize their own ppl and boost the election campaign and follow the US set example of invading the blamed country which failed to achieve its ultimate goal, thanks to some in the army and the One up there in the heavens. Even if it was the ISI then a common Pakistani like me has nothing to be blamed for and Kudos to ISI in that case.”
November 27th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
@Mr Ibrahim Sajid Malik
Look at the following lines by Mr Meetesh. these are much better and wiser then your stupid and senseless writing on the top..
“i can launch a discussion on how correct we are or how pakistanis are BUT will it be a solution??????? try to understand we are neighbors and we need to cut across the political crap and find a peaceful solution else both the countries will suffer in the future.”
November 27th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
@Vinil: nice reply
November 27th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
I am a liberal Indian and used to believe that Pakistanis are fundamentally decent people, like other people across the world. The rabid senseless hatred I see here, and the events in Mumbai, has made me change my opinion. I think that a frontier society like yours where violence and killing are common place needs massive large scale re-structuring, like was done with Nazi Germany. Civilised values and rational debate don’t come with fundamentalism and militant Islam- they come through widespread liberal tertiary education and rapid economic growth.India, thanks to the vision of its founders, has solid institutions that promote these. Pakistan appears to have a long way to go.Covert support of terrorism by the Pakistani Government has managed to turn Indian Muslims against Pakistan- a feat not even managed by Bal Thackeray and Hindu extremists. Well done, morons!
November 27th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Really hurts when some louszzy anit-paki try to speak or write in favour of india. who are you exactly? cant you see muslims(and even none-muslims) dying in OCCUPIED KASHMIR, phalistine, iraq, afkhanistan, INDIA and in balochistan who are they? We would rather die than beg for their sympathy; u showed your true identity… your not a pakistani… kashmir was sided with pakistan why cant our people live freely in kashmir why indian army is still there killing our innocent people.
‘Our jawans the sons of LIONS are waiting on the hills with swords over their shoulders, The sons of LIONS are prepared to die for their nation and these killers shall die laughing at sikh’.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
yaar whatever your opinion… at least stop abusing the author. Maybe these maniacs were not being “controlled” by Pakistan. But they had links to people in Pakistan. This is all what he is saying.
Maybe you dont agree with him. Offer something to justify your claim instead of heaping profanities.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
My god, what hatred and absolute lack of sensitiveness. I am surprised that someone can be happy at the events of Mumbai. What can a country whose citizens have such thoughts can produce but terrorists, poverty, and misery.
Anyway, who has given the right to Pakistanis to speak for Indian Muslims. We are fortunate that we are living in India and not in a country that believes in terrorism.
It is not surprising that Pakistan is facing the worst effects of terrorism that it promoted for so long. You beget hatred friends while we live happily.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
I understand pakistani cricketers are also fighting with each other. Fight with each other guys and kill each other. You deserve your fate. Allah never forgives people who laugh when others cry.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
@True Paki: Bhai meray… if Muslims are dying in AFG, middleast, Kashmir etc. what does that have to do with innocent bystanders in Mumbai?
Killing them will liberate Kashmir? or solve the middle east crisis?
Stop calling your self “True” Paki. Who verified your credentials? Hafeez Saeed?
November 27th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
SAJID MALIK I DNT KNW WHO R U BT U CROOK INDIAN AGENT NTHG ELSE
November 27th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
AND SEE V PAKIS ARE FACING 26/11 EVERYDAY HERE IN PAK EVEN I LOST MA OWN BRODER IN IT LETS FINISH THIZ BLAME GAME PAK HAS CAUSED ENOF DAMAGE TO INDIA ND INDIA ALSO DID SOO OUR ISI EXACTLY DID DA SAME AS YA RAW DID ITS MA QUESTION FROM AWL INDIANS U AWL R CRYING FOR DA MUM HAVE U FORGOTTEN DA BLAST IN SAMJHOTA EXPRESS AND YA ARMY INVOLMENT IN BALOCHISTAN PAK IS PALYING A VERY RESPONSIBLE ROLE IN DA WAR AGAINST TERROR V R DA REAL SUPPORTERZ OF PEACE SO HW CAN V B SO FATAL FOR OUR NEIGHBOURZ U HAV TO B GRATEFUL 2 US MARK MA WORDS DA DAY V ALLOW THOSE TALIBS TO ENTER INDIA THEY GONA BLOW U UP YA SO CALLED ENTRANGEMENT GONA B ERASED IN 5 DAWNS YA TRANSVESTITIES INDIAN SOLDIER WOULDNT B ABLE TO HAVE A COMBATE WID TALIBS AS V SAW IN MUMBAI AWL V DEMAND IZ PEACE BUT WID DIGNITY TEL ME IZ IT WRONG? WAR IZ NT DA SOLUTION MATES PAK HAS ARMED FORCES PAK IZ A NUCLEAR STATE U CANNT GO TO WARR WID PAK V ACCEPT INDIA AS A LARGE COUNTRY IN EVERY ASPECT BUT U ALSO HAVE TO ACCEPT US AND V WANT PEACE WID DIGNITY NTHNG ELSE LONG LIVE PAKISTAN
November 27th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
ADNAN your rant doesnt even make sense.
November 27th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
My Dear Pakistani friends. First cool down and take a deep breath. I hope you u believe that we all have 1 life. So u will also believe that life is very precious …right? So do u want to utilize this precious life in hate and mistrust? And worse …. u want take away this precious life from someone just because he/she is not a muslim or belongs to a nation which u think has taken away kashmir?
U might say that indians too have the same hate….well some have have it…but a vast majority is not concerned…they dont care bcoz they think Pakistan is a non-competitor except for nuclear arms.
U say that if u kill then u will get “Jannat”. There are many killers in india ….but at least we dont believe that we will go to heaven by killing people.
U were not even able to do justice to a single province of present day bangladesh….and look at us we ( Kashmir, Gujrat, Maharashtra, Arnachal, Assam, West Bengal, Tripura, Andhra, Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Kerela, UP, Bihar, Jharkhand…… ) are still together as a ONE nation.
Whatever be the difficulties and challenges …we are still ONE.
Inspite of all linguistic, cultural and religious differences we as a nation are on a path of progress.
We celebrate these differences…while u people hate anyone who is not like u. Thats not ur fault ….bcoz the very basis of ur country’s creation is that there should be separate countries for separate people.
In all this mayhem u people forget that at the end of the day we still are flesh and blood…If allah created you…then dont u think that he created us also. Dont u understand this simple logic that only God/Allah has the right to punish someone if he is wrong.
Who the hell are u to wage Jihad. Wage Jihad against the evils inside you…Jews/Hindus/Buddhists/Jains ke bare me mat socho. If being a Kafir was such a bad and unholy thing then these religions would not have survived till now.
Finally only one last statement “Live and let Live”.
Thanks,
Indian Citizen,
November 27th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Well said. Except for a few things “…basis of ur country…” I agree to most of it.
November 27th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
AND MUMBAI ATTACK IZ TOTALLY A MELODRAMA MADE BY INDIAN GOVT TO ACQUIRE DA EMOTS AND VOTES OF ZOONIST HINDUZZ AND FUNDAMENTALIST HINDUZ. CAN ANY 1 EXPLIAN ME DA ASSASSINATION OF HEMANT KERKARE AND HIS MEN???????????????????????????????????????????????????
November 27th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
“AND MUMBAI ATTACK IZ TOTALLY A MELODRAMA MADE BY INDIAN GOVT TO ACQUIRE DA EMOTS AND VOTES OF ZOONIST HINDUZZ AND FUNDAMENTALIST HINDUZ.”
No I dont think they are THAT crazy. And regarding the Jewish/Hardline hindu sympathies, they dont need to kill 170 of their own to get it, they already have it.
November 27th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
What a shame…
November 27th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Mr Malick you did a splendid job. But to ALL THOSE LIONS OF PAKISTHANI FUNDAMENTALISTS….LOOK AT URSELVES…what you achieved of your glorious 63 years….a
1. UNSTABLE GOVT.
2. Insecure and captive women.
3. Stock piles of Nuclear weapon.
4. Chances of BOMBS going up every minute
5. A clash with you beloved TALIBANS.
What INDIA have achieved is endless in terms of economy and development. STOP MOCKERY a author try to prove something to your people not us.
What do you see in the eyes of blast victim in Islamabad or Karachi…is IT GLORY OF BEING IN PAKISTHAN..OR HATRED OF YOUR FUNDAMENTAL TABOOS….
Look at you country’s GDP….any significant figures NO…but crime and DEATH RATES– GEOMETRIC PROGRESSION…wat an IRONY OF YOU SICK fellows…yet you never fail to talk of a WAR WITH INDIA….DO you know what a war with INDIA will do to you…ha ha ha ha..i advise read a class 10 economy book of you can read…..
You talk about other Islamic issues ….why there is nothin in SAUDI..B’COZ they believe in developing themselves not poking to other’s BOUNDARY OR MAINLAND….
The advise is OIL your own MACHINE…..
November 27th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Islam is derived from the Arabic root “Salema”: peace, purity, submission and obedience. In the religious sense, Islam means submission to the will of God and obedience to His law.
Its good to know atleast some person from Pakistan know Islam’s true meaning. There were several muslims who were killed in the tragedy 26/11.
I am shocked to see people here posting hatred messages and also blaming India for spreading Terrorism.
Let me assure you “Indian Muslims have prosperous life and respect here.Gujrat incident was also a tragedy like 26/11. But every Indian condemns it, no matter what religion they follow. There are problems in every country. But instead of shouting and playing blame-game(which is exactly what pakistan is doing…. Follow what Pakistan PM said at Egypt blaming India responsible for terror funding to Afgan Tribes), we believe in resolving problems. Sure there are some extremists like Thakrey and Modi, but they are just another persons having an opinion.”
India is home to several eminent Muslims who have made their mark in several fields and have played a constructive role in India’s economic rise and cultural influence across the world.
Azim Premji, 5th richest man in India, CEO of third largest IT Company in India.
Since India gained independence in 1947, three Muslims have been appointed the President of India: Dr. Zakir Hussain, Dr Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed and Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam.
Current influential Muslims include: Mohammad Hamid Ansari, the current Vice President of India;
Omar Abdullah, chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir.
Throughout independent India’s history, Muslims have played an influential role in Indian politics.
Some other influential Muslim politicians include Sheikh Abdullah and his son Farooq Abdullah, Mufti Mohammad Sayeed, Sikander Bakht, A R Antulay, C. H. Mohammed Koya, Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi, Salman Khurshid, Saifuddin Soz, Ghulam Nabi Azad and Syed Shahnawaz Hussain.
We are happy here because we hate “HATRED”. You all should learn from us, INDIAN MUSLIMS.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Ibrahim Sajid Malick’s is one of the few voices of sanity that neither politicians nor extremists on either side of the border likes. Some years ago, I had had telephonic and e-mail interactions with several Pakistani professionals and businessmen in connection with a market survey for which I was assisting a foreign consultant. I found them not only friendly but also very co-operative.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Great article. Right on.
Of course many would prefer to live in a fantsay world where Muslims never do wrong and their percieved enemies attack themselves.
All you can do is tell them the truth.
thanks for your effort
Bob
November 27th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Greetings Mr. Mallick,
I am an Indian and I like the transparency of thought in your article.
I believe the problem is deeper than it seems. The root of all this goes back to the days of partition and the deep seated feeling that Pakistan and Pakistani’s are cheated while drawing the borders.
Well, partition is something nobody liked but some of our power thirsty leaders did this to end the tussle of power sharing.
Today, at each sides of the border we lick our own wounds and bark at each other. We fail to understand that these are political tricks, but honestly scientifically we share the same genes. We are from the same land.
Religion is for the people not the other way round. Your country mates should try to think more liberally and not let some fundamentalists rule their minds as well as their land. You should not mind if people with shallow thinking an understanding blame/abuse you for what you have to say; because it doesn’t cost a penny to do so.
I believe instead of fighting if we could work together to take care of some lunatics who are trying to hinder the peace and prosperity of both the countries, we can have a better life ahead.
Thank you.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
mr malik u are a true person !!!!! so hats off for u frd!!!!
indian has not much of hate and anger which the pakistani has !!!!!
“live and let the other live”….
kasmir is ours and u all dont think that u will do such a foolish thing and we will give u our indian heaven to u!!!!
if u think than back offf !!!
we will recover soonely because we have the gutts to face a problem because true people have a courage!!!!!
jai hind
November 27th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
First, Mr Malick, I would like to thank you for coming out with what you feel and talk it out in public. I feel very sad to recollect every act of violence perpetrated on the face of the earth. Let us all condemn any act of violence. Above all, we all human beings made in the image of God.
I don’t think any comparison of whatever kind would serve any purpose. It might foster a feeling of being one-up on the other–I am referring to some Indians touting our current economic progress–in another it would cause a feeling of jealousy and hatred.
I would also like to echo the voice of Meetesh in earlier post in this blog, to my mind that was the best post I read so far in this blog. Let us all love our fellowmen, our neighbor and leave aside feelings of jealousy and hatred. I would urge that let us all unite to defeat the divisive forces and extremists; we should rather work for peace, progress and prosperity. Of course, that would be resisted by negative forces like politicians, extremists and divisive forces on both sides of the border. Why can’t we bring back the South Asia that at one point of time was a seat of great progress and prosperity?
As much as I feel pain for those suffered in any acts of violence whereever and in whatever form, I also feel the pain for those misguided people whose mind has been vitiated so much that they commit such heinous acts of violence. One violent act is not the answer to another violent act. We have to uproot the cause of violence attacking them from all fronts social, economic, political and any other aspects that would help end violence.
To my mind, violence, fostered by jealousy and hatred, arises from a feeling of being deprived, of desires thwarted. This deprivation is mostly economic, social and educational but in some cases spiritual where the former three causes are absent.
Let us all work for peace and harmony. If we are first a good human being and are ready to promote peace and harmony, we would surely one day be living in a much better society where no such mindless acts of violence are perpetrated.
Let peace, progress and prosperity prevail.
Rajat
November 27th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Viril : Kindly stop talking like a immature kid. What is that you are trying to do? Scare them away?
Fighting over a piece of land that has always been there for millions of years and would be there for millenniums to come. You will not be there after a few decades to see its fate and you are wasting your time and energy to claim something your own which belongs to none?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
what the hell is this………..???? this blog is fake and under the indian man dont read this article…….
November 27th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
THIS MESSAGE IS FOR THE PERSON WHO COMMENTED UNDER THE NAME “PAKISTANI”
YOU IDIOT !
IT IS NOT HINDU OR MUSLIM
IT IS ABOUT LIFES
YOU DOESNT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO KILL
IF POSSIBLE COME IN FRONT TO FIGHT
NOT HIDE IN A HOLE FOR YOUR LIFE
FIGHT LIKE A MAN
NOT FROM HOLES
SEE YOU BLOODY COWARD CANT WRITE YOUR OWN NAME
WHY DO YOU HIDE BEHIND THE NAME PAKISTANI ?
I HAVE MET FEW THEY WERE VERY GOOD.
DONT CREATE SHAME FOR NATION.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE STUDY IN HISTORY LESSONS IN INDIA ??
We study that our brothers had to create a new country for their own and that is Pakistan!
If you dont wanna be a brother , it is ok but dont hide and attack
u attack children !! Kill them ??
Allah ! Please teach these people again !! Reappear for us !!
Water is Paani in Hindi and Water in English
If some one is thirsty he drinks water or paani ??
This is the fight over religion !! Meaningless !!
Water and Paani are both the same.
Religion teaches us discipline not violence.
Teach them that life is not about what religion we follow !!
It is about how we live !!
Long Live Peace !
November 27th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
This is reply to PAKISTANI (November 27th, 2009 at 9:53 am) WHY pakistani should appologise…….. my dear we indians dont need your appologies or sympathy…… see to yourself how allahtala has punished pakistan……. the very own people of pakistan are bombing their own country, the taliban,s killing your very own soldiers, everyday you are punished, see for youself how distructive pakistan has become, it has become the place of dogs trying to grab power from each other…… what ever you do you will have to pay for it ………. pakistan supported terroist and know the same terroist are destroying pakistan. Keep your apology with you and keep your sympathy with you….. and as far as the question of kashmir, its our internal issue, we indians muslims, hindu, sikh, christan and evryone are one family, we know how to solve our issues peacefully…. we dont need outsiders to interfere in our family matters. Siraj Khan
November 27th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
guys guys, hope every one is doing good. why are we talking about Pakistan ?
They have been silenced long time back, don’t you guys understand whats happening in Pakistan ?
Pakistan has been forced to suck uncle sam’s Dick, while killing there own blood.if they have to pee they have to take permission from uncle sam.
when ever uncle sam feels like testing a new missile they do that at Pakistan.
Just count the bomb blasts in Pakistan after mumbay incident.
Since I have respect to people like Sajid Malick for what he told let me stop it here.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
THIS MESSAGE IS FOR THE PERSON WHO COMMENTED UNDER THE NAME “PAKISTANI”
YOU IDIOT !
IT IS NOT HINDU OR MUSLIM
IT IS ABOUT LIFES
YOU DOESNT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO KILL
IF POSSIBLE COME IN FRONT TO FIGHT
NOT HIDE IN A HOLE FOR YOUR LIFE
FIGHT LIKE A MAN
NOT FROM HOLES
SEE YOU BLOODY COWARD CANT WRITE YOUR OWN NAME
WHY DO YOU HIDE BEHIND THE NAME PAKISTANI ?
I HAVE MET FEW THEY WERE VERY GOOD.
DONT CREATE SHAME FOR NATION.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE STUDY IN HISTORY LESSONS IN INDIA ??
We study that our brothers had to create a new country for their own and that is Pakistan!
If you dont wanna be a brother , it is ok but dont hide and attack
u attack children !! Kill them ??
Allah ! Please teach these people again !! Reappear for us !!
Water is Paani in Hindi and Water in English
If some one is thirsty he drinks water or paani ??
This is the fight over religion !! Meaningless !!
Water and Paani are both the same.
Religion teaches us discipline not violence.
Teach them that life is not about what religion we follow !!
It is about how we live !!
Long Live Peace !
@PAKISTANI:
November 27th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
@PAKISTANI:
THIS MESSAGE IS FOR THE PERSON WHO COMMENTED UNDER THE NAME “PAKISTANI”
YOU IDIOT !
IT IS NOT HINDU OR MUSLIM
IT IS ABOUT LIFES
YOU DOESNT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO KILL
IF POSSIBLE COME IN FRONT TO FIGHT
NOT HIDE IN A HOLE FOR YOUR LIFE
FIGHT LIKE A MAN
NOT FROM HOLES
SEE YOU BLOODY COWARD CANT WRITE YOUR OWN NAME
WHY DO YOU HIDE BEHIND THE NAME PAKISTANI ?
I HAVE MET FEW THEY WERE VERY GOOD.
DONT CREATE SHAME FOR NATION.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE STUDY IN HISTORY LESSONS IN INDIA ??
We study that our brothers had to create a new country for their own and that is Pakistan!
If you dont wanna be a brother , it is ok but dont hide and attack
u attack children !! Kill them ??
Allah ! Please teach these people again !! Reappear for us !!
Water is Paani in Hindi and Water in English
If some one is thirsty he drinks water or paani ??
This is the fight over religion !! Meaningless !!
Water and Paani are both the same.
Religion teaches us discipline not violence.
Teach them that life is not about what religion we follow !!
It is about how we live !!
Long Live Peace !
@PAKISTANI:
November 27th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
I THINK KASHMIR NOT WILL GET ANY 1 OK IF ANY 1 WILL GET THEN HOW USA UK ISREAL WILL GOT OWN SOLUTION TOLD ME INDINS AND PAKISTANI WE NEED SOME STEP AND NEED SOME PEACE AND PEACEFULL THINK ALL INDIANS ARE NOT BAD AND PAKISTANI ALSO BUT USA UKISREAL ARE BAD THEY CANT WANT PEACE IN THIS AREA THEY WANT HUNTED THIS AREA PAKISTAN INDIA KAHSMIR CHINA AND WANT GET ALL OWN POWER WANT SEND US IN STONE TIME THATS WAY DONT FIGHT ON THESE TYPES OF ARTICLES CAZ THIS IS NOT REAL AND ITS GADAR IF ANY INDIAN WILL WRITE ARTICLES AGAINST INDIA THEN HE WILL B THATS WAY THINK PEOPLES Y U CANT THINK INDIA AND PAKISTAN NOT WANT FIGHT JUST LIKE MALIK PEOPLES WANT THATS WAY THESE PEOPLE PUBLISH THIS TYPE OF ARTICLES ANY HOW THIS ATTACKS NOT DONE BY PAKISTAN AND INDIA ITS DONE BY USA UK ISREAL CAZ THEY WANT GET BACK BARSAGER PAK O HIND ARE U UNDERSTAND AND THEY WANT MAKE SERVENT AGIAN INDIANS AND PAKISTANIS THANKS BYE DONT ABUSED ANY ONE DEAR WE R BROTHERS WE ARE SAME FACE BODY TYPE ETC JUST BETWWEN BORDERS JUST THIS IS DIFRENCE THANKS
November 27th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Hats of to Janab Ibrahim Sajid Malick
@people who stated India as Hindus and Pakistan as Pakistan…
Even Muslims live in India who are really educated and self centered.
They give a lot of respect to India and to fellow Indians,
Yes, India is a Hindu dominant country and every Muslim in India is given equal respect as a Hindu and we Indian Hindu’s respect each of the Muslim festivals and even there are many hindus who celebrate the islamic traditions and festivals and even there are many muslims who respect and follow hindu trraditions and festivals.
India has been always for muslims and accept a Muslim in any post.
Dr. Zakir Hussain
Muhammad Hidayatullah
Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed
Giani Zail Singh
A. P. J. Abdul Kalam
All the above mentioned 5 Muslims were the presidents of India
There are almost 22 Universitites in India which are named afrter Islamic Names and are also the most of the world’s famopus Universities.
There re around 26% of uslims in India who are given equal respect, equal rights like any other Indian or Hindu….
Even the present Vice president of India
Shri Mohammad Hamid Ansari is a Muslim
Sheikh Abdullah
Farooq Abdullah,
Mufti Mohammad Sayeed,
Sikander Bakht,
A R Antulay,
C. H. Mohammed Koya,
Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi,
Salman Khurshid,
Saifuddin Soz,
Ghulam Nabi Azad,
Syed Shahnawaz Hussain,
Asaduddin Owaisi,
are some of the famous muslim politicians who are adored by all Hindu’s, Muslim’s and also other religions
Yusuf Khan (stage name Dilip Kumar),
Shahrukh Khan,
Aamir Khan,
Salman Khan,
Saif Ali Khan,
Madhubala,
Katrina Kaif,
Emraan Hashmi.
Naseeruddin Shah,
Shabana Azmi,
Waheeda Rehman,
Irrfan Khan,
Farida Jalal,
Arshad Warsi,
Mehmood,
Zeenat Aman,
Farooq Sheikh,
Tabu,
Are the most famous Bollywood actors of India who all are Muslims and have fans who are Hindu’s
Yusuf Hamied,
Azim Premji,
The names which are named in ‘FORBES’ magazine in the list of Billionaire’s are also Indian Muslims,
India is a great Country and People of India (Whether Muslim’s or Hindu’s or Sikh’s or Jain’s or Buddhist’s) are very great living in a country like this where there is diversity in religion, caste, money, colour, place etc and this is the place where any one in the world can find ‘Love’ … pure Love….
Love U INDIAN”S………..
November 27th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Hindustan get freedom with Nonviolence its reverse..part of it(pakistan) going to loose its freedom with feeding Violence……what a tragedy
I am not your enemy…please think once deeply for you my dear Whats your FUTURE after 15-20 years you might be not developing country…still.please don’t go on this worst way.. @PAKISTANI:
November 27th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
@Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi:
November 27th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
@Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi:
There is nothing called ‘Hindustan’ my frnd. It is India.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
@PAKISTANI: @True Paki: @Haider: i understand that unlik most oder ppl f ur country.. haider has a bit f open approach.. but u kno WHAT ..
:p
TO ALL PAKISTANIS ,PROUD PAKISTANIS AND WATEVER ..INDIA HAS ROCK SOLID PROOF THAT SOME BLOODY BASTARDS IN PAKISTAN DID THIS… THAT S Y .. OTHER PPL IN THE WORLD ALSO BLIEV IT… THAT IS Y IT WAS A SUCCESS…(NOT UNFORTUNATELY S TOLD BY 1 F U..).. DAMMIT MAN… V HAV CALL RECORDS.. COMIN FRM PAKISTAN… AJMAL KASAB HASS ACCEPTED HE IS PAKISTANI… HIS PARENTS R IN PAKISTAN… IF NOT Y THE HELL DID UR ARMY NOT ALLOW MEDIA IN THEIR VILLAGE..V HAV SATELLITE INTERCEPTIONS OF TH NTIRE THING…V HAVE UR DAAMMED VOICE RECORDS WICH HAV MATCHED.. HW MUCH PROOF DO U WANT..? ?
and 1 more thing…STOP CALLING INDIA A HINDU COUNTRY.. india is NOT a hindu country.. u watch our shah rukh and president abdul kalam.. and u still thnk it s hindu country..thats 1 thing i will b proud 2 say..indians(all religions.. muslims.. hindus.. sikh…etc) always hav a MORE MATURED MENTALITY thn pakistanis..mos pakistanis jus h8 indians.. but v r mor bent on rational talks..wich s obvious frm abov discussions..
BUT I STILL DNT THINK ALL PAKISTANIS R BAD..sum r good 2..and want 2think logically and find peac… as for the CRICKET TEAM..YA RIGHT INDIA S NO.1 TEST TEAM. no 2 1 day..& wil soon get bck t20 titl….v wil c hu wins in any upcomin matches
November 27th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
@faisal: u bloody idiot FAISAL… our priority was 2 save lives and not catch terrorists..i kno it sounds ironic.. & perhaps ur brain filled wid shit cant even process it.. but v had 2 somehw kill them so tht v dnt end up killin our own peopl…that is 1 HELL OF A TASK..
@jawad: INDIA HAS ROCK SOLID PROOF THAT SOME BLOODY BASTARDS IN PAKISTAN DID THIS… THAT S Y .. OTHER PPL IN THE WORLD ALSO BLIEV IT… THAT IS Y IT WAS A SUCCESS…(NOT “UNFORTUNATELY” S TOLD BY 1 F U..).. DAMMIT MAN… V HAV CALL RECORDS.. COMIN FRM PAKISTAN… AJMAL KASAB HASS ACCEPTED HE IS PAKISTANI… HIS PARENTS R IN PAKISTAN… IF NOT Y THE HELL DID UR ARMY NOT ALLOW MEDIA IN THEIR VILLAGE..V HAV SATELLITE INTERCEPTIONS OF TH NTIRE THING…V HAVE UR DAAMMED VOICE RECORDS WICH HAV MATCHED.. HW MUCH PROOF DO U WANT..? ?
@Hassan Khan: i know india isnt xactly innocent.. but hum agar ek jagah haraamipan dikhaatey hain toh tum log sau jagah,…
the ratio of evil don by pakistan to tht by india must b 100:1 respectively..
November 27th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
@Saad: U RASCAL.. V DONT WANT UR DAMMD SYMPATHY AND s far s th power of indian country is concerned…hahaha… TELL ME 1 WAR THAT U PAKISTANIS HAV WON AGAINST INDIA…ya right.. and considering ur current st8.. u b8r not mess with us.. evr in th future also
ANNNNDD IT IS PAKISTAN AND PAKISTAN ALONE WHICH IS RESPONSIBLE 4 ITS CURRENT MISERY…NOT ANY ODER COUNTRY..U R FACING PROBLEMS FRM UR OWN COUNTRYMEN..not oders…
November 28th, 2009 at 12:23 am
I am an Indian. I am not here to proof that we are saints and pakistanis are satans. The politicians of both the countries must have tried to increase the hatred between common men of two countries for there own political gains, however there is difference. For Pakistan, search of the reason of its own existence always results in hating India, however, it is not even a question for India. Thanks to own leaders during independence, we always had a clear vision towards our goals as a country. Pakistani leaders, in desperation of proving Pakistan superior to India had let Pakistan to be used like a tool in international politics, America used it to counter Russia, China is using it counter India. However, despite immense difficulties, India never let that happen. Pakistani government spent his money to fund terror, instead of acquiring food and creating jobs for its population. Hence now, Pakistan is a state known for financial crisis, center of terrorism, no credibility, all in all a failed state, whereas India is 2nd most fastest developing economy and a new stakeholder in international affairs, the only nation to acquire nuclear fuel despite not signing NPT.
India is past the time where we used to saw our glory in defeating Pakistan, we are much moved ahead. It is time for Pakistan to do so. India was and is no enemy of Pakistan, the worst enemy resides inside Pakistan: terrorism, extremism, etc. It is time for each Pakistani to think what is more valuable to them: the hate towards India, or his/her own prosperity. Each Pakistani must think what gives a more secure future to future generation; guns and hatred OR peace and co-operation.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:58 am
@Anshuman Shukla: totally agree wid u.. but 1 thing tht pakistan mus understand is that jus bcos v dont ngage in voilenc doesnt mean V CANT NGAGE IN VOILENC…v only CHOOSE NOT 2 do so…and this s not bcos v r weak.. but bcos v r spiritually strong.. they must not misunderstand our peacful steps..
November 28th, 2009 at 1:21 am
Yes, thats what i meant precisely. India do not see its glory in imposing its supremacy on Pakistan by violent or non-violent means. The existence of India was never linked with defeating Pakistan. India has always chosen the path without blood, and always will. And because of this vision, we are now in so much ahead in the game, that we even do not care to say so.
Pakistan must understand that moving ahead on the path of hatred towards India will only lead to its own demise. The hatred is consuming the future of Pakistan. Hence instead of spending 1/3rd of its GDP on arms purchase, Pakistan should focus on taking on poverty, social improvements, etc
November 28th, 2009 at 2:01 am
@jawad</b: hey dude mind ur language o v th INDIAN vl u guys…..v r not against ur religion…..dre are many muslim,den wat ur country hav… bt they represent themselves as an INDIAN….dey dunt support the terrosism….wen blast happen in INDIA,dey wre the first people who cam out for the help…and i salute those ppl who cam out for help…
November 28th, 2009 at 2:03 am
Eid Mubarak!
To those who wonder about my backgroud, I will suggest you google my name. I am a Pakistani journalist – started working for a newspaper in Karachi in 1986. I have worked for Daily News, Frontier Post, Morning News, DW, The News among others. I have also contributed for BBC, WBAI, Pacifica Radio. Currently, I am a correspondent for SAMAA, Pakistan’s leading TV channel. http://www.samaa.tv
May I suggest you get a copy of this documentary and listen to the conversation between perpetrators of Mumbai attack before you judge my loyalty.
Someone had asked if it was leftist upbringing that makes me compassionate. Yes, you are absolutely right! As a college student I was an active member of National Students Federation (NSF). If you are a young man or woman, I will highly recommend that you get involved in political process as well. Does not really matter if you join Islami Jamiat a Talaba (IJT) or NSF….. several close friends were active members of IJT and we still don’t see eye to eye on many issues but we all agree that dialogue is the only mechanism to resolve conflicts.
Yes, I am cognizant of India’s tyranny in Kashmir. May I suggest you go to YouTube and search “Samaausa” and watch a peace I recently filed on Kashmir issue. Please consult Mirwaiz if you want to check my credentials.
Kashmir at the UN- has Pakistan changed course?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zga-ZWQihew
Many of you curse me on this blog- I get threats and harrasment via email and phone… but I will not stop writing what I feel is true.
But- here is my promise to you: no matter what write about me (curses and URL are filtered by the system) will be published here as well.
Today is a blessed day- and I pray that Almighty gives us the courage to speak truth to the power.
Sincerely,
Ibrahim Sajid Malick
i@ibrahimsajidmalick.com
November 28th, 2009 at 2:10 am
appologize to a state who sent Kashmir Singh “A Terrorist” which was freed by Pakistan and who went back and said “Yes i was there as a terrorist”.
Appology My Foot.
when is india going to appologize for what happened in Gujrat & Golden Temple and with churches back in 2006???
November 28th, 2009 at 2:11 am
Again misguided information published which widely spreaded as a media war against Pakistan to hide their crimes and inhumanity acts against one sect by Hindu extremists.
26/11 was work of Indian forces to deteriorate peace process and efforts of Pakistan to bring peace and stability in region. LeT, was also blamed Samjotha Express but in the end it was publicly admitted by Mr. Himmant Kurkary that Hindu extremists were involved. Hindu extremists not only killed that brave Indian policemen but also involved Pakistan.
We Pakistanis are still committed to war against terror, which was provoked on us by western allies and India. It’s a fact these Jihadies were sponsored by US and its allies for war against USSR and now we are facing it as a nation.
I, salute to our soldiers whom are giving their lives in tribal areas and fighting against Indian sponsored Taliban.
Don’t dictate us: show real acts instead of propaganda.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:16 am
@Ismail: shut up,,u idiot
November 28th, 2009 at 2:17 am
Malick Sahab Amen to your prayer.
But please dont accuse Pakistan’s military for the madness of mumbai. or if you cant do that then at least give us evidence of their involvement.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:20 am
What absolute rubbish. What have we Pakistanis got to do with the attacks in Mumbai. A few misguided souls does not represent the whole nation. Pakistan itself is the viticm of terrorism, terrorism that has routes within Afghanistan well supported by India. And to the author since you seem to be too profound of apoligising, how about you also ask the Indian side to appoligize for what they did in 71 and also what they are currently doing in baluchistan. But i am sure i or for that matter any Pakistani wont ever hear that from you since thats not included in the job description.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:23 am
I am an Indian and as a Muslim i am proud to say that!!Its really pathetic to see how arrogant a few pakistanis can be!!Killing in the name of religion is patriotic??No.Here in India we lead peaceful lives which is only ruined by terror cells operating from Pakistan.Your country has got no future.see what jealousy bought you down to.We never wanted you to have separate nations it was you who insisted it.And now you want more??Kashmir is an integral part of India and you have no rights over it.Hands off it!!Your country is the breeding place for terrorists for the entire S.Asia destroying peace.As for some people who say we are responsible for terror activities in Pak dont you think we have other important things to look forward to??you are the only one bothering us and look what it brought upon you.Shame on you.By the way hats off to Mr.Malick for being so honest and outspoken.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:13 am
Look whos talking a second class citizen of a country who claims to be a secular state and yet has a history full of incidents like gujart, a country which has problems will almost all of its neigbors, China, BD, Srilanka and yet clamis to be the thakadaar of southaisa and peace. As for the hats off to Mr.Malick, well he is just one of those guys who would sell anything even their own familes if it comes to that for money, so u can hats of to him all u want. Rest assured Pakistan was doing much better then India in the past and we will regain that lost status once we are done with this so called WOT or should i say the war for terror.
And one more thing Mr Syed dont flatter yourself, India is the last country on this planet we look up too, now go and get a life other then bashing Pakistan you Indians know nothing.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:16 am
@PAKISTANI:
I agree
November 28th, 2009 at 6:21 am
@Ibrahim Sajid Malick:
Love U!
November 28th, 2009 at 6:36 am
Bravo Mr. Malick and Eid Mubarak. It is just a matter of time before Pakistan self destructs. People like you will always be opposed vehemently by misguided people. Religion and Borders were made by us. It is high time we understand that there is a thin line between patriotism and jingoism as well as being religious and being a fanatic. This applies for both the countries as of now. It is a shame to see two neighbouring countries busy fighting internal conflict over matters of religion which were started to reach a higher power through the path of spiritualness and not as a competition.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:47 am
Hey People,
I am an Indian & after the Gujarat tragedy I have lived four years in Gujarat for my studies. It was a mere tragedy, given birth by few extremist. And whether it is Hindu or Muslim, everyone condemns it from heart.
Peace has nothing to do with being Hindu or Muslim, its all about being human being. Everyone should try being a Human being first. It is very easy to type rubbish and grudges against eachother, but very hard to get the balls to support eachother in crisis and I really thank and feel proud of all those people who are doing atleast something in the war against terror.
@ Ismail, as u say,”I, salute to our soldiers whom are giving their lives in tribal areas and fighting against Indian sponsored Taliban”, then I feel pity on you because if India have really sponsored Taliban even then we are prosporing but can you please tell me what is happening to Pakistan’s economy. Why is it collapsing? Where the money is going? or Pakistan government doesnt have money to feed?
I just watched a movie made in Pakistan in year 2008, “Khuda ke liye”. Beautifully scripted and even more beautifully crafted.
It beautifully depicts how some misguided minds create problems for every innocent people around.
Its time for change people, a change within ourselves, a change from whatever evil is inside us whether we are Hindus or Muslims beacuase its not a fight for Hindu or Muslim, or India or Pakistan. It is a fight between terrorism and peace.
May the peace wins.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:53 am
Religion, culture, patriotism, everything is rubbish. No one understands that.
But there’s no need to understand. It’s all gonna end. We are all gonna die. Its not a question of who starts it(I think its already on), not even the question of who finishes (don’t worry, no one’s gonna finish it).
All a question of how much time is left.
God/Allah/Bhagwan doesn’t even care about us. He/She/It is fed up of these tiny little creatures fighting on this tiny little planet.
Please take my advise, for the rest of your life, be as selfish as you can. Love your friends/family/neighbors (don’t know how long they’re gonna last, or the other way round). Don’t hope for anything, be satisfied.
We’re all gonna die.
We’re all gonna kill each other.
It’s gonna happen sooner than we can think.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:58 am
People of India an Pakistan in this blog….. we are here reading and writing our opinion in this blog because of 2 reasons a)We are literate b) We are not terrorists.
A common man in India has no idea of the events that go on in Pakistan by the name of India. Similarly, a common man in Pakistan has no idea of the events that go on in Indoa by the name of Pakistan.
Let’s stop abusing each others country and degrade ourselves. We all know that the citizens of both the countries are equally wounded. They are suffering the same pain, same torment, same insecurity. The root cause of all these factors are the same. India has named the root cause as Pakistan. Pakistan has named the root cause as India.
We are here abusing each others country, but what do we gain? Our soldiers are fighting each other and laying down their lives. We have termed our neighbors as enemies.. for what?
Each person in Pakistan is going through the same trouble that every person in India is going through. No sane parent will want to make their child a terrorist, be it an Indian or Pakistani.
It is time that we come out of our bookish hatred and open our eyes. The moment we open our mouth to abuse someone, we have stopped looking beyond 1 single person. It is time that we understand that people on both sides of the border are equally affected.
We should be united and intolerant against the miscreants irrespective of who they are. We should not support any rogue who encourages hatred… whether its a politician, tribe, fanatic or army of either countries.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:02 am
ID MUBARAK..SAMA WALAKUM TO ALL PAKISTANIS N NAAMASTE TO ALL INDIAN..YUP I GUESS PAKISTAN IZ MORE OR LESS A VICTIM OF TERRORISM ITSELF ..BUT WHERE IT ALL STARTED??
guyz ..in present time the fundamentalist mindset of every clergy..whether it is hafiz sayed or our own bajrang dal members need to be curbed n put to rest before they can make another gujrat or mumbai..
citizens of both country needs to work towards peace n development albit war .
nothing works better for western nations than to see india n pakistan angaged over trivial matters n alwayz upfront for war.
both nations share a common history n culture n we had a turbulent past but we new generation must forget the folly of past and work hand in hand to erase the menace of terror. i appreciate the sincere effort of the author in this direction n appreciate civilised urgument on this minus the profanity which seems to be from both sides
jai hind
November 28th, 2009 at 7:14 am
i wouid invite civilised people interested in liberal exchange of views from both sides in order to generate publis awareness against terror no matter it genesis.
lets make a different bagining for peace in the name of allah and ram..a place where peace and human values are uphoalded above relogioius bigotry.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Respected author, how much cognac did you have before writing this? money talks, we all know. You aint totally incorrect, but incorrect enough to get high and leaning.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
@kaustuv : yeah i m bad at english but u seems to be the daughter of some “Angraiz” and that “Angraiz” is still missing…
@utkarsh a proud indian … thanks god that ur priorities were to save the lives and even then u lost 174 ..:D isnt it ridiculous… cant u c a drama behind this … u dumb ppl..
November 28th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
@Indian Citizen: wat bout U ‘indianzz’ u think u ill go 2 heaven by killing kashmiries and by killing our ppl in sawat valley – balochistan etc ???
west bangal, utter pardesh and other states ar 2gether?
my friend ur not ONE 
there R many freedom movements is going on in india ha
@Hamood ur Rehman Khan: i wasnt talking about mumbai attack tho it was the inside job we all no the facts indian governmt did that on purpose… killer beast
November 28th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
hi all
First of all let me tell u that i m a native of Jammu n Kashmir, India.
@ ALL THOSE WHO TALK OF “OCCUPIED KASHMIR”
I would just like to bring out a fact here……..u know we ppl, in Indian Kashmir, got internet connectivity 24 hours a day……..how many hours u got that in ur kashmir…. or i say if u even got that facility there???
Also what abt the conditions of women? Here, our women go to work, study in schools……what abt conditions in ur kashmir.
@ ALL THOSE WHO TALK OF GUJARAT………..Sorry…yeah i said sorry……n i dont feel ashamed t say that nor i feel proud (like many of ur guys felt for 26/11). That was a acident which need to be cursed by the civil society, though the victims on both sides shared same wounds.
@ ALL THOSE WHO TALK OF OUR SECULARITY……..Look who is blaming us? How can u ppl forget that “Yousuf Youhana” had to change his religion to be a part of your cricket team. Well it was never the case with Md. Azharuddin (former indian captain), Zaheer Khan, Irfan Pathan…..(list goes on).
@ ALL WHO TALK OF CRICKET TEAMS………ha ha hha……..did you forget we won last 3 cricket series at your home……..we cruched your team like underdogs………n there was no UNCLE SAM involved there, not even RAW……..ha ha ha…..Can u even count the no. of times India has defeated Pak in World Cups……Answer is EVERYTIME they clashed.
@ ALL WHO TALK OF DEVELOPMENT……..Just got this………LOL
November 28th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
read ‘crushed’ in place of ‘cruched’ above
November 28th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
hey u all dumb asses
ek baat suno apne baap se panga lene mein kya mza aata hai tumhe
pakistan bna to india se hi hai na ,bacha hai india ka
india ke ehsaanon pe palne wale kutte ki tarah hai
ek hi missile se pura pakistan ud skta hai
woh to hum thode sharif hain nhi toh abi tak yeh comments likhne wale kabke ud gye hote
pakistan ne kya hi development ki hai _______?
india mein pakistan se zyada muslim rehte hain n they r proud to be an indian
aur apne yeh bhai jo bhejte ho na hume maarne ke liye , unhe thodi achi training diya kro _________________sallle kuton ki tarah marte hain
ek baar indo-pak war ho gyi na toh kaminon aisi watt lgege ki yeh sab comments likhne ke kabil nhi rahoge
waise bhi tum log america ke paison pe jeete ho
maang-2 ke khane ki tumhari aadat hai
ab aur kya bolun ___________________
apni aukaat tumhe khud bhi pta hi hogi
nhi toh ek baar mirror ke aage khade hoke dekh lena
sab samaj aa jayega
November 28th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
1000 saal say bi ziada muslim india par hukmarani kartay rahay…..
muslim badshah hindu aurton ki gaand martay rahay …..
ye sab hundu banyay muslim badshahun kay naukaron ki haram ki auladain hain…
ye chotay chohay pakistan bannay say to rook na sakay pakistan ko khatam kia karain gay…..
harami ki auladon hmay kia dhamki do gay tumhari to 3 bandon nay mumbai aa kar phar di…jab 17 crore aa gain to tumhara kia ho ga…????
aik kam karna sab indian ocean mai kood jana…..
par indian ocean mai itnay saary chohay ghus gai tu ocean ki to waat lag jai gi
November 28th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
@Indian:we know the hindu never know ALlah power one day insALlah all wordl see evrything and we are just wait and watch and we never say anything about indian`s we are muslim and just pray to ALlah to save our country and Allah always witd muslins so inshAllah u see til ur death The PAKISTAN is live til the end od world ok
Allah bless our counrty inshAllah we ll win one day to show our BRIGHT PAKISTAN …..
tc of ur self indian`s and muslims bro
Allah nighbaan
November 28th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
@Ismail: DUMASS…F THERE IS 1 COUNTRY WHERE MEN KILL THEIR OWN COUNTRYMEN 2 DETORIATE RELATIONS AND SHOW POWER……IT IS PAKISTAN… UR COUNTRY…V HAV COUNTLESS PROOF IT WS U PPL DOIN IT..dont u dare blame indian forces 4 this…indian forces killin their own ppl… ya right in ur dreamz
@faisal: yes v did… einstine… bcos it s hard 2 shoot at 2 peopl wen they r in a crowd of 10000…and population of mumbai is a few MILLION…kno hw many 0s r in it…??! ? the gun men killed 150 ppl in first half n hour.. bcos dat time they wer jus firing gun shots randomly at unarmed civilians on roads…and no1 ws there 2 stop them… th attack ws lik a gorrilla war..aftr th polic took control… maatharchodon ki fat gayee…they all went and hid in civilian buildings…tumhare kaminoy k paas itne grenades aur bomb they.. thats how they killed so MANY UNARMED PPL…u idiot tere pakistan ki tarah india mein log gun aur pistol lekar khullam kkhulla ghoomtein nahi…it s very easy and cowardly 2 kill unarmed ppl…thatss wat u all r known 4….AND S I SAID B4.. F THERE S 1 COUNTRY WHERE PPL KIL THEIR OWN.. IT IS PAKISTAN…
R U ALL TELLN ME THAT TALIBAN WAS MADE BY INDIA… PROSPERED IN INDIA..??. WAZIRISTAN AND BALUCHISTAN IS IN PAKISTAN… THEIR TRAINING CAMPS R IN PAKISTAN…THERE WHOLE BASE CAMPS R THERE.. WHERE TH HELL DOES INDIA COME IN?? and india financin them.. ya right financ the same orgn that killed our ppl… and kashmiris r being killed by LeT…ur orgn.. YOUR OWN PPL…not indians! !
@Hussnain: … golden templ and KASHMIR … BOTH WERE STARTED BY UR COUNTRY ! !gujrat shockingly happned wen a group of fenatic muslims burned 400 hindus in a train bcos of som petty dispute over temple/mosques and all..then only did th massecra start…and both hindus and muslims suffered..golden temple… PPL LIK BINDRAWALA. WERE CONCIEVED AND SUPPOERTED BY PAKISTAN.. THERE WS NO SUCH PROBLEM DURIN 1960S… IT STARTED ONLY WEN PAKISTAN STARTED NCOURAGING PPL…2 DEMAND A SEPER8 STATE..4 PUNJAB.. SO V HAD 2 DO IT…no oder choic….AND KASHMIR ISSUE ALSO STARTED BCOS OF PAKISTAN …it WAS NOT A PROBLEM B4 1950S…thn pakistan ppl started infilterating in kashmir and ncouraged them 2 go voilent…
November 28th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
@True Paki: dude,,, i LIVE IN TAMIL NADU(THE SOUTHERN MOST PART..)..ONE OF MY BEST FRIEND IS FROM WEST BENGAL…AND I M FRM UTTAR PRADESH…I DONT SEE ANY FREEDOM MOVEMENTS HAPPENING…i mean im here.. ! ! GOD ALONE KNOWS WHERE U GET UR SOURCES…IF THERE R FREEDOM MOVEMENTS HAPPENING…THEY R IN ASSAM… BCOS OF CHINA AND IN KASHMIR… BCOS OF PAKISTAN…NOWHERE ELSE [:p] yes there r problems bcos in our country… there r 250 different languages..v r diverse unlik u…so v dnt hav any perticular national languag..that s a prob.. ! ! BUT 4 GODS SAKE… NO FREEDOM MOVEMENTS R HAPPENIN..even ppl in bengal and mahrashtra and tn… accept that they r indians.. there is no controversy abt that…! !
November 28th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
@True Paki: s i SAID A MILLION TIMES B4.. F THERE S 1 COUNTRY WHERE TH GOVT KILLS THEIR OWN… IT IS PAKISTAN.. TAKE THE PRESENT BALUCHISTAN PROBLEM… OR THE KILLING OF BENAZIR BHUTTO…
November 28th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
@Haider: i dont think malick saahab is n idiot or sumthn. i mean he must hav carrieed out n investigation b4 writing watevr he wrote,….but i agree with th last 3 lines…if v indians and pakistanis dont find a solution 2 ths problem.. v r doomed… and wil b lik the puppets of west….
November 28th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
@Raheel: wher th hell does HINDU COME FROM…?? TALK 2 INDIA U STUPID ? ?INDIA MEANS ALL-> HINDUS MUSLEMS SIKH AND CHRISTIANS…livn in ths country! !
November 28th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
@Indian Muslim: Id Mubarak to All friends.
VERY WELL SAID. I HAVE MANY MUSLIM FRIENDS.AND I SEE NO DIFFERENCE AMONGST OTER I HAVE.TEY ARE READY TO DIE FOR ME AND SAME FROM MY SIDE.
AND PAKISTAN….I DAILY FLUSH IT OUT..DONT WANNA THINK ..ACOMPLETE WASTE LAND.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
IM ALSO WANT TO HATS OFF ON MR.MALICK..
WHAT EVER U WRITE IS TRUTH..SO MANY COMMENTS…BUT WE WANT SOLUTION…
INDIA NOT ONLY STANDS FOR HINDUS N MUSLIM WE HAVE SO MANY COMMUNITIES..SO NO ONE CAN MAKE FOOLISH COMMENT ON IT…
FROM DECADES BOTH COUNTRY IS FINDING A SOLUTION..BUT LET ME TELL YOU ALL GUYS IF WE UNITE,IF WE DECIDE FOR PEACE FROM BOTH SIDE ..CONTRIBUTION AND SACRIFICE IS REQUIRED,…
SO WE HAVE ONLY ONE GOOD OPTION FOR THAT LETS CARRY ONE CAMPAIGN WHICH CONTAIN STUFFS FOR COMBINING ACTION OF BOTH COUNTRY….STARTING FROM INTERNET …
November 28th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
YES THATS TRUE I HAVE ONE PAKISTANI FRIEND IN MY COLLAGE HE IS IN MY COLLAGE N IS SUCH A NICE GUY..@Rajiv:
November 28th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
HATS OFF ON U DUDE.. I LIKE UR THAUGHTS MAN WELL DONE..@Vinil:
November 28th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
I have gone through couple of posts here. What I believe, Sajid Malik is one of the guys who basically don’t belong to Pakistan, they are illegitimate children.
We all Pakistanis feel sorry for the bloodshed of Indian people on humanitarian grounds, it doesn’t mean we are sorry to have done it. Huh!
So far as our circumstances in Pakistan are concerned, they are due to our own mistakes that we made those Bastards leaders.
A hindus said in a post that if we are chosen ones, why are we leading a miserable life?
Answer to him: Chintoo Mintoo Ofcourse AlhamduLillah we are chosen ones from Allah and remember this is a process in which we are being examined to remain determined and persistent on the consent of Allah. We have everything in an eternal life. You people are dhobi ka kutta, who believe that you people will be realive.. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha what a damn thinking, it means you people came from nowhere and will go nowhere.
At last, once again, Pakistanis and Muslims feel sorry for whatever happened and is happening in any part/ corner of the world in terms of massacre and bloodshed of innocents. Islam preaches peace not war, how come we Muslims can spread disintegration in the world?
I hope I made myself clear here!
November 28th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
@Sex is good for helth: Abbey ‘health’ ka spelling theek kar le, nahi to sex kya tere liye sabhi kuch ‘unhealthy’ hi rahega…
November 28th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
@Syed Hasnain Pasha: Please…You have not answere…nothing is cleared. BE NOTED
akistan has a history of hearing only what it wants to hear, maintaining the delusion that it is India’s equal. Mushraaf lost in this election because the poverty has spread from the villages of pakistan to the cities. There is no food to eat, no power to run the factories, no clean water to drink and no guarantee that you will make it back alive, if you go out!! No wonder these pakistanis are jealous of india. Even imrankhan has praised india!!
See ur Name in World bank report of 50 poorest country:
Afghanistan, Angola,Bangladesh, Benin, Bhutan, Burkina Faso, Burundi , Cambodia, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Comoros
Democratic Republic of Congo, Djibouti, , Equatorial Guinea,
Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gambia, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Kiribati,
Lao People’s Democratic Republic, Lesotho, Liberia, Madagascar, Malawi,
Maldives, Mali, Mauritania, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nepal, Niger,
Pakistan ( YOU ARE HERE, FIRST GET ELIMINATED YOUR SELF FROM THIS LIST)
Rwanda, Samoa, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Solomon Islands, Somalia, Sudan,
East Timor, Togo, Tuvalu, Uganda, Tanzania, Vanuatu, Yemen, Zambia,
November 28th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
@Indian: good one siddarth…..proud of u@Indian:
November 28th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
well said RAJIV……..they just know how to grow drugs n arms n nothing else……..cant even feed their own children………..n talk of war with India……..
@ ALL Pakis……..the day, Uncle sam stops giving u funds, will be last day of ur country on this earth n then u “THE CHOSEN ONES” can get choosed….
November 28th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Just noticed one thing……..Every Indian here in comments talked on the basis of some facts taken from World’s view n not their local media……..but Pakis didnt have nething else to say than Gujarat….or abusing Hindus……..we never said nething out in Pakis……n m not saying this without ne proof……..see the starting comments urself n u get to know who were more violent or more of abusive remarkists…..
November 29th, 2009 at 12:30 am
@Syed Hasnain Pasha: You people were not choosen Ones from Allah! He is almighty and has choosen all good people who truely follow Holy book Kuran.
YOU WERE CHOSEN BY “JINNA- The Separatists”
You have no Identity but a lost Nation with No pride.
1-It Would be Better if Pakistan Better deals with splitting – , a seperate Sindh, a seperate Baluchistan and a separate West-Punjab will become a reality within a very short space of time
2-Afghanistan border regions, economic pressures from rising fuel and food prices threaten to add millions to the substantial numbers already living below the poverty line.
3-Millions of Pakistanis were displaced from their homes in Pakistan’s North West Frontier Province (NWFP) during recent violence. Save the Children and assist those who remain displaced and those who have returned home, Child Friendly Spaces and livelihoods assistance.
4-They are too dependent on western policies.
5-Do not have substantial export income.
6-Do not have any readymade market around after their war with India.
7-Spending too much on military.
8-Middle class is not that much developed which means less movement out of country and less expatriate money.
9-Sectarian violence makes it impossible for them to develop themselves properly.
10-External Debt $50,000 million 6/30/2009, Per capita Debt $320 , and % of GDP is 12%.
May Allah really help Pakistan at this critical hour to serve God by serving humanity with love, compassion and Better Economic policy..else you see Every Pakistanis Begging. Wake up now.. if your truely Intelligent.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:31 am
@Indian:
Nothing is going to happen with Pakistan by Allah Grace and mercy. Muslims all over the world need to stand with each other. When they will stand with each other and unite. There will be no place for you, Non-believers to live. Muslims in india are our brothers. Many Pakistans are yet to be created in india. just wait see. We, Muslims ruled india and we will rule you again. You will witness the rule of Muslims on the whole world and that day is going to come very soon.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:41 am
@Khan: O Khan Sahb.. Lagta hai Taumar apne Ghas Chili hai..Ab Bade Ho Jao Thora.
Allah Unhi ki madad karta hai jo khhud apni madad karte hain..Wo ghar par akar apko kana nehi khilayenge.
Be mature
November 29th, 2009 at 12:43 am
LOL…………that day will also soon come when u dont get food in ur country n then u have to beg it from uncle sam or go suicide n then see urselves ruling in hell………..
MAY ALLAH give u some wisdom………..we dont hate muslims but we also cant hear nething about hindus…..we dont say nething to ur religion…then why do you abuse us……we talk of India n Pakistan n u talk of Hindus n Muslims……But there’s not ur fault in this………ur “KAYDE-E-AJAM” was so indulged in his own benefits that he just let you guys die for something which was never to be happen…….just like ur present day politicians
You talk of Muslims combining n making lives of us “NON-BELIEVERS” hell……i say go to hell…..The country which cant even provide protection to their former prime ministers, where a woman like Benazir Bhutto cant walk freely has no future at all.
Its a famous saying in India “Jo doosron k liye Kuan (Well) khodta hai, woh khud usi mein gir jata hai”……The one who digs well for others, falls down in it himself…………..thts what is happening to you………….you fed those criminals n terrorists to kill us……….but nw they are killing u………just like a leech
November 29th, 2009 at 12:53 am
Respected Mallik Sahib,
First n the Foremost A round of applause to you. really its commendable to speak so boldly and courageously. I truly appreciate the courage to be so honest n truthful about your feelings which comes from within. An ordinary man with extraordinary thoughts.
I am a simple citizen of my country but goes through the same turmoil whenever something goes wrong in the world. There’s so much suffering n pain which we call LIFE and we add on to that too.
People on both sides are equally affected and go through the same pain n agony.
we should stop blaming each other.
we should always work towards peace and be always ready to help.
when I think or talk of Pakistan…its birthplace of my father and we have been raised with his stories and his fond memories about his friends n his belongings over there.
I as a mother always make it a point that my children should learn and celebrate all the festivals and always respect all the religions of the world. MAY BE ITS A SMALL CHANGE BUT THEN ITS A CHANGE.
Its equally disheartening when soilders die on borders, people die in masscare…my simple question is WHY INNOCENT? no fault of theirs…and the intensity of pain from the loss lives of their families…which in return brings hatred.Then it becomes a vicious circle and we all know A CIRCLE HAS NO END..
So, all of us should stand for each other and worked towards a common GOAL.
LETS ALL CELEBRATE LIFE TOGETHER WITH SINCERE HOPE, LOVE, KINDNESS.
LETS MAKE THIS WORLD A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE IN..
WHEN WE LEAVE THIS EARTH WE SHOULD GO PEACEFULLY..WE KNOW THAT OUR CHILDREN ARE IN HARMONY N HAPPY.
IN THE END I WOULD SIMPLY SAY CHEERS TO MR MALLIKJI AND U R SIMPLY OUTSTANDING N BRAVO……MAY ALMIGHTY BLESS YOU AND U SHOULD SEE THE WORLD WITH YOUR VISIONARY EYES…
BEST REGARDS A HUMAN FELLOW!!!
November 29th, 2009 at 1:59 am
@Rajiv: well salam
to all
lots of people are justifying the act of terror in the name of god
.
please can any one tell me where it is written to raise the war against civilian.
what kind of fundamentalist organizations they are, and from where they got the fundamental of terror.
the fundamental of islam is peace, education and progress not war or evil act.
please comment
ur_saajan@yahoo.com
November 29th, 2009 at 3:02 am
@utkarsh
my dear johny … u r sadly mistaken… it is just the begining…
see what is coming up next… the war which has been enforced on us has made our ppl nerves strong and we now ready to face any consequences for our survival.. but u bloody cowardice nation whose ass has just been torned with such few minor attacks will see their fate in near future,..
our aims are clear and that are to screw indians and that to uptill their deaths…. so be ready… u discussed ur missile tech ..:D i think u r unaware of missisle potentiel of pakistan and even ur nuclear test didnt go good as ours… we only have 5 lac army but u have 20 lac rather more than that but still we get shit scared out of you ppl….. u have world second largest air force but our airforce made u bleed even in recent past … what else u want to comapare….. infact slavery still persist in ur mind as we have ruled u over thousands of yr and now time is again near when u poor ppl will be ruled by us …. haha just be ready to face the music… our each n every child is ready to kick u ppl…
i hope u have got it my sweeet jano… Pakistan Army Rocks
November 29th, 2009 at 5:02 am
I am a terrorism expert. I want to commend Ibrahim for the courage he has shown here.
I saw this documentary as well and it is evident that Bombay terrorists used sophisticated technology, including global positioning system handsets, satellite phones, and Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) phone service to stay in touch with their handlers in Pakistan. Those handlers – watching events in real time on television – orchestrated the attacks from several thousand miles away. Before November 26th, terrorists used bombs triggered by timers to wage jihad.
These attacks last November were unprecedented in terms of scale and intensity. The terrorists were careful to choose those that would create rage across India. They took on the rich and the wealthy in India by targeting those two luxury hotels, and by taking on a Jewish center in Mumbai, they took on some foreigners who were present in that Jewish Center in addition to those who were present in the two hotels.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:09 am
BTW Ibrahim Sajid Malick is not the only one doing courageous reporting. Read this story in The News Internation from another Pakistani reporter. Zeeshan Haider should be getting some recognition as well.
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By Zeeshan Haider
Wednesday, November 25, 2009; 12:52 PM
ISLAMABAD – A Pakistani court indicted seven Pakistani suspects on terror charges on Wednesday in connection with last year’s attack on the Indian city of Mumbai, a defense lawyer said.
Pakistani security agencies have also detained a former army major for possible links with two men arrested in Chicago on terrorism charges, an army spokesman said.
According to U.S. court documents, the Chicago pair discussed a planned attack on a Danish newspaper with members of the banned Pakistan-based group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), which has been blamed for the Mumbai attack a year ago in which 166 people were killed.
Pakistan is under pressure from both India, which wants it to crack down on militants operating in disputed Kashmir, and from the United States, which wants it to root out Taliban fighters to help put down an insurgency in neighboring Afghanistan.
India has refused to resume peace talks with Pakistan and sought to bring international pressure on Islamabad to act against militants operating from its soil, including LeT.
Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, speaking in Washington, said he had not yet seen the reports of the seven indictments “but I welcome every step that leads in that direction.”
“It is our strong feeling that the government of Pakistan could do more to bring to book people who are still roaming around the country freely, to dismantle the infrastructure of terrorism and I can only hope that their will be progress in that area,” Singh said.
Washington wants relations between the uneasy, nuclear-armed neighbors to improve so its crucial ally Pakistan can focus on fighting Taliban militants, as well as helping in the war in Afghanistan.
LASHKAR’S REACH
LeT is not believed to have carried out attacks inside Pakistan but its presence may still worry the government, which wants to demonstrate it is in control despite a battle against militants on several fronts.
It has a large network of support among Pakistanis around the world, raising fears it could attack Western targets.
Last month, David Headley and Tahawwur Hussain Rana were arrested in Chicago and accused of planning an attack on a Danish newspaper which ran cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in 2005, sparking protests by Muslims in several countries.
Rana is a Pakistan-born Canadian citizen while Headley is an American citizen who had spent time in Pakistan.
Pakistani military spokesman Major-General Athar Abbas said a former army major was detained in connection with the case.
“He’s still in detention and is being questioned,” he said.
LeT talked to the pair about possible attacks in India, which it said should be given priority over the alleged Denmark plot, court documents said.
Once nurtured by Pakistan’s powerful Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) spy agency to fight India in Kashmir, Lashkar shares al Qaeda’s concept of global jihad, or holy war.
Pakistani authorities officially banned Lashkar after it was blamed for a 2001 attack on the Indian parliament but analysts say it is tolerated unofficially.
Authorities also briefly put Lashkar’s founder, Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, under house arrest and closed the offices of Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD), a charity he headed, after the United Nations said it was a new alias for LeT and put it on a terrorist list in 2008.
But JuD has apparently re-emerged under another name and its cadres were involved in relief activities for those displaced by an army offensive against the Taliban in Pakistan’s Swat valley in May.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:22 am
After fighting a bloody war in Afghanistan for more than eight years, the United States appears to have undertaken a re-think of its policy and has started engaging the Taliban in negotiations through Saudi and Pakistani intelligence agencies.
The General Intelligence Directorate (GID) of Saudi Arabia and the and Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) have been doing the job on behalf of the US government and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). One of the main objectives of the recent visit to Pakistan by CIA chief Leon Panetta was to assess progress in the back-channel negotiations.
four leaders Are playing the role of mediators on behalf of the Saudis and the Afghan Taliban. Among them is Abdullah Anas, a son-in-law of Osama bin Laden’s mentor Abdullah Azzam who was killed in Peshawar in 1989 along with his two sons. Anas lives in the UK, but maintains close links with the Afghan Taliban and even Al Qaida.
Saudi national Abul Hassan Madni, once a prominent leader of Rabta-i-Alam-i-Islami, has also been in the picture. He lives in Madina.
Abu Jud Mehmood Samrai, an Iraqi who is married to a Pakistani woman, has also been contacted. He was given Pakistani nationality by former president Ziaul Haq for his role in the Afghan war.
Maulana Fazlur Rehman Khalil, a Pakistani militant leader, is also in the loop. Khalil, who co-founded the Harkatul Ansar, currently heads Hizbul Mujahideen. He had signed the famous decree issued by Osama bin Laden and Ayman Al Zawahiri in 1998 calling for killing the Americans. Khalil commands respect among both Pakistani and Afghani Taliban and is said to have played a secret mediatory role with Pakistani authorities for peace in the country.
Mullah Umar, the chief of Afghan Taliban, has nominated his shadow foreign minister, Agha Motasam, to negotiate with the Americans. talks held so far Are of a preliminary nature, but may resume on a serious note after Eid.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:25 am
@Abid
I don’t know when CIA will learn not to negotiate with killers like Taliban.
@Farhana Ali said it right 100%.
@Mustafa I am glad other Pakistanis are also courageous. We need more journalists like these in India, Pakistan and all over the world.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:59 am
Hi Guys,
First of all I am Indian. As far as Baluchistan; i don’t think Pakistan ever produce any dossier to India.
Pakistan and India both were free at the same time and now everybody can see the difference.
Can any Pakistani citizen put their thought on that.
As per my view we ahead now because we never think Pakistan is a problem we fight with our problems like education, poverty, un-employment etc. (I am not saying we done with these problem; these problem still exists and we are fighting).
Most of the educated Indian (which include Muslims as well) know only education can make them powerful.
My most of the muslim friends adopt family planing after 1 or2 children and its common among muslim who are bit educated.
Pakistanies please take care of your self not India.
As a hindu one more thing i want to say, we are oldest religion in the world and we can destroy (at least till date nobody able to do that), but if muslims don’t focus on education then they must.
See the data….
Total muslim population in the world – 22%
GDP contribution – less then 5%
More then 70% muslims are uneducated.
Rich muslim countries like UAE etc ahve more then 70% uneducated females.
Think about that. If pakistanies want powerfull country then please focus on education not on guns.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:01 am
How pathetic can some Pakistanis get??!!.. itz disgusting 2 say d least.. but i thnk d hatred 4 India is d only thing datz keepin Pakistan United.. if dey even realize dat India is nt d enemy dey thnk it is den Pakistan wil disintegrate.. n yes 4 those who say y pity India, lemme say i totally agree.. dun sympathize wid any1 f us.. we can take care f ourselves.. n m sure human killings r a common site in ur country 2 even feel ne sorrow 4 it now.. i feel really bad 4 al u Pakistanis.. i really do.. Allah has nt been very kind 2 u.. but Alas!!.. we r helpless
November 29th, 2009 at 6:20 am
I think Ibrahim sajid malick has written well, expect that in his writing he is created confusion by saying first..
“We, the Pakistani people should seek forgiveness from the families of those who lost loved ones in Mumbai.” [Sentence 1]
“We should let the people of Mumbai know that we are just as much a victim. We should let them know that we don’t condone these acts of violence.” [Sentence 2]
In sentence 1, he says that Pakistanis should seek forgiveness from families of indians killed in mumbai.. which is a stupid thing; common pakistanis have nothing to do with mumbai attacks and why should they be seeking forgiveness.. Wrong statement.
In sentence 2, he says that we Pakistanis are just as much as victim of terror as the people of mumbai werr on 26/11; which is the right statement and sentiment.
Also he says that Pakistans ISI and govt may be involved in these 26/11 attacks. Again thats not a good statement. I dont know why he wants to associate ISI and govt of pakistan with 26/11. A lot of terrorism is being done by foreign elements in Pakistan and India is financing this terrorism. In Baluchistan and waziristan, a lot of indian made arms and amunition has been catched by our security forces. He should have made this point too that india is supporting terrorism in Pakistan.
His commentary about 26/11 is fine and Ok and he provides the right conclusion that we should try to get extremist forces like LeT out of Pakistan. But again he misses the most important point. The masses of Pakistan need to be reinforced and are the real strength of Pakistan. Going into depth of 26/11 is useless for Pakistan. Pakistan’s internal problems need solution and for that Pakistanis have to make some joint progress.
“Technology and intelligence that was used in 26/11 attacks is not even present in Pakistan, even though the attackers may or may not be pakistanis.. thats a secondary thing.. Whats important is that whose brain, money was behind 26/11 attacks and its obvious from the documentary that 26/11 attacks involve huge investment by some foreign terrorist organizations and it is much beyond the planning and finances of ISI to be involved in such a massive attack. Al Qaeda can be one possible suspect which helped LeT to do such a thing in mumbai. LeT is a some name to be said to be solely responsible for such attack and whoever says that LeT was ONLY involved in 26/11 is mad for sure. Also definitely, some forces in Indian navy and militrary command were involved in allowing such attacks to occur in mumbai, which has been successfully covered by Indian government and people like Mr Malick are also not picking this point.”
Pakistan has a lot of problems, no doubt and these are much more wider then the span of 26/11 attacks. 26/11 attacks are a small thing when u compare them with what is happening in Pakistan on daily basis. (Emphasizing too much on 26/11 attacks means that u r just following the indian propanganda against Pakistan.) Yes, we should discourage rather demolish extremist forces from Pakistan and we should find the way to show to our government that we, the public of Pakistan are important and we can make u suffer, if u dont make the proper changes to our system. In this regard, i commend Mr Malick’s comments.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:44 am
To indians like VARUN, who say that muslims have equal rights in India.. Sir, kindly see the following stats and then say what u like to.. Few muslim individuals who are at influential positions because of individual brilliance, cannot account for the whole muslim population in India.
Link:http://www.indianmuslims.info/statistics/articles_related_to_statistics/syed_najiullah_the_status_of_muslims_in_india.html
Muslim population in the india is more than 12 percent their representation in the countrys highest services is only 3.15.(Source: Dr. Gopal Sing report on Minorities, 1983, p.31)
Poverty head count is more among the Muslim than the whole population. The household income is less than that of the national average and also of the Hindus. It is only better than the SCs and STs. The per capita income of the Muslims is Rs.3678 which is near to the per capita income of SCs and STs. It is far less than per capita income of the whole population and that of the Hindus.(Source: India: Human Development report of the 1990s, cited by Abusaleh Shariff in Muslim India, No.216, December, 2000, p. 534)
The educational backwardness of Muslims also had a telling effect on their representation in the government services. They never got adequate representation in any cadre. Their representation is particularly poor in the higher cadre services. Civil services are the highest services in India and the Muslim representation in these services reflects not only their poor representation but also their pathetic economic conditions. From the list of the officers for All India Services it is clear that while Sikhs and Christians and other minorities were doing well at the competitive examinations, the Muslims by and large did not. For instance, thirty five years, after Independence, there were only 128 Muslim in the Indian Administrative Services out of a total of 3,785, there are 57 Muslims in Indian Police service and 45 in Indian Forest services which gives them a percentage of only 3.22, 2.64 and 3.14 respectively, while according to their population they should be about 11 per cent.
Both in rural and urban India the percentage of educated Muslims is coming down steadily from Pri-Middle level to graduate level and the percentage of students who reach Higher education in rural areas is 0.6 for the male and in urban areas the corresponding percentages are 2.3 and 0.8 for male and female respectively. Compared to other religious groups like Hindus and Christians the Muslims percentage in higher education is very low.(Source: NSS 43rd Round, 1987-88, analyzed by Abu Saleh Shariff in Muslim India, No 140, August, 1994, p.378)
Thus the literacy rate among Muslims is lower than all the religious communities in India. The literacy rate for female is further low. It is also less compared to the all India literacy rate of 64.8 for all and 53.7 for female category. Considering that the Muslims are more than 12 per cent of the population their low literacy rate will have adverse effect on the total literacy rate of the country.(Source: Syed Shahabuddin in Mainstream, October 23, 2004, p.14)
Based on above facts and stats, please do not say that Muslims have same rights in India as Hindus. They have been politically suppressed and oppressed at all levels. On a whole, muslim community in india is a 3rd class community.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:56 am
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2009/11/03/Indian-arms-found-in-S-Waziristan/UPI-39121257268224/
“Indian arms found in S. Waziristan”
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Nov. 3 (UPI) — Islamabad will handle claims that Indian-made weapons were uncovered in military operations in South Waziristan through diplomatic channels, officials said.
Pakistani security forces claim to have uncovered a sizable weapons and ammunition cache in hideouts used allegedly by insurgents in South Waziristan.
Federal Minister for Information and Broadcasting Qamar Zaman Kaira told reporters the Islamabad government would seek a political resolution to the issue, Pakistan’s daily newspaper The Nation reports.
“The government would effectively take up this issue with India through diplomatic channels,” he said.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=111940§ionid=351020401
“India supporting militants in Waziristan: Pakistani FM”
Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi has said that Islamabad has hard evidence of India’s interference in the tribal areas and Balochistan.
“Pakistan is collecting concrete evidence against the Indian intervention in the Pakistani tribal areas and Balochistan,” Qureshi told reporters in Islamabad on Sunday.
The Pakistani foreign minister said that it will be impossible to establish peace in the country until India revises its hostile policy toward Pakistan.
“Unless (India) dispenses with its visceral animosity towards Pakistan, attaining viable peace and security in South Asia will be even more elusive.”
Senior military and civilian officials in Islamabad have repeatedly accused India of supporting militants in the northwest and southwest of the country.
The Pakistani army spokesman, Major General Athar Abbas, recently said a huge quantity of Indian arms used by the militants had been confiscated in South Waziristan.
Pro-Taliban militants based in South Waziristan are believed to be behind several attacks on major Pakistani cities since 2007.
Pakistan’s tribal districts along the Afghan border have been plagued by militancy since the US-led invasion of neighboring Afghanistan in 2001.
In the southwestern province of Balochistan, rebels rose up against Pakistan’s central government in 2004. They are demanding autonomy and a greater share of the profits from the region’s natural resources.
New Delhi has always rejected Pakistan’s claims that it is interfering in the country’s internal affairs and has repeatedly accused Islamabad of supporting separatists in the Indian-administered Kashmir.
DEAR ALL, LEAVE 26/11 ATTACKS. INDIAN GOVERNMENT IS AN OPEN TERRORIST WHICH IS SUPPORTING TERRORISM IN PAKISTAN. WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT?
November 29th, 2009 at 7:35 am
@Haider: Kamal ai Haider Sahb..We are in 2009-2010…YOU GIVING FACTS AND FIGURES OF 2 TO 6 DECADES IN PAST.
FIND OUT MORE in 2008-2009.. YOU WILL FIND YOUR COMENTS ARE JUST GARBAGE AS ON DATE. MAKE A STRONG NOTE ON THIS. SHOULD YOU FIND PROBLEM ON THIS..COMMENT HERE THAT YOU DID’NT FIND.. I WILL GIVE YOU ALL LIKS STEP WISE.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:48 am
@Rajiv jani: Ok, you can mention the current figures in 2009. Let us see what change is there..
November 29th, 2009 at 8:28 am
@Haider: Haider Sahib.. As you yourself pointed out that few muslims because of their brilliance are in good positions, don’t you think the problem lies somewhere else. In a country where people don’t have equal rights, no person from minority can reach to those good positions (with references from the state of many good position holders in the pre-independent India). India itself is suffering from the ambitious leaders who are giving reservations to people and thus dividing people. If the Muslims won’t have the equal rights then our president cann’t be a muslim. Please understand, India, despite of its growing economy, is suffering from capitalism. Hindus too….
As far as this article.. The author should not say that pakistanis should apologize, I don’t think so. But the thing is that pakistan government should increase their rate of efforts and should be rude against those who are spreading militancy anywhere in world.
We are neighbors and I seriously feel that we are equal. I strongly feel that the partition was a black decision of past. Lets not give our leaders another chance to partition us again. We were partitioned because the whole world knew that this part of Asia, if they combine together can lead the world in almost all the fields. Despite of fighting with each other we should fight these corrupted leaders who are making us fight….
November 29th, 2009 at 8:33 am
@RajiV: Kindly see the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_India.
Following latest information can be revealed.
Census information for 2001[α][β] Composition Hindus[9] Muslims[10] Christians[11] Sikhs[12] Buddhist[13] Jains[14] Others[15]
% total of population 2005 80.5% 13.4% 2.3% 1.9% 0.8% 0.4% 0.6%
10-Yr Growth % (est ‘91–’01)[16][β] 20.3% 29.5% 22.6% 18.2% 24.5% 26.0% 103.1%
Sex ratio* (avg. 944) 935 940 1009 895 955 940 1000
Literacy rate (avg. 79.9) 75.5 60.0 90.3 70.4 73.0 95.0 50.0
Work Participation Rate 40.4 31.3 39.7 37.7 40.6 32.9 48.4
Rural sex ratio[16] 944 953 1001 895 958 937 995
Urban sex ratio[16] 922 907 1026 886 944 941 966
Child sex ratio (0–6 yrs) 925 950 964 786 942 870 976
“Muslims have lowest literacy rate 60% and lowest work participation rate 31.3% of all religions in India, even lower then Sikhs, buddists, christians and jains ”
Here point to note is that muslims are 13% of indian population and other minorities are much lower in percentages of population, still they have more literacy rate and work participation ratio. How is this fair and democratic???
That too after the population growth % of muslims has been highest of all the religions in India 29.5% in last 10 years against 20% of hindus; still muslims have less literacy and less jobs. This means that even during the last 10 years of this consensus, development of muslims and their resources have not increased in proportion of their population.
What more you want as a prove of Indian muslims are lesser developed then any other religion in INdia.. even the minorities..
Dear RajiV, you can share with us one important fact, that will even lower the literacy rate of muslims in India. What is the standard of literate and non literate for the board of census in india??
Muslim literacy rate has been improved in rural areas by muslim maktabs and madarsas, but their method of education is obsolete and the whole method is outdated. The students from their cannot convert their education into anything meaningful in terms of profession and they are considered literate by indian census department as they can only write their name in urdu. Even most of the basic educational material available to make the people literate are available in Hindi, which is certainly not the mother tongue of the Muslims in a large part of north India.
You can share with us, why you think muslims were so backward in India 30-40 years after partition from Pakistan and why still they are lagging behind all other religions in literacy rate and work participation ratio???
November 29th, 2009 at 8:39 am
HATE HATE HATE!!!
Pakistanis hate us!
we hate Pakistanis!
Let’s kill each other!
What a beautiful game!
November 29th, 2009 at 8:54 am
@ Haider: First off….Kudos to you for being the only one from ur side who doesn’t talk without facts…….
Secondly, Can you also bring out some facts about the conditions of Hindus in your country……does they even get ne kind of reservations or equal rights……..you can also include the people with extra ordinary brilliance here…..
Correct me if i am mistaken………but last year i heard of some protest when some Hindu Judge was promoted to some higher post just because of his religion…..May be i am wrong in this cause thats what i heard from our Indian media…..or i say some of its long list of news channels…
So where does this cultural equality lies? In India? or in Pakistan?
November 29th, 2009 at 8:55 am
@sachin: I respect your point of view, and everyone else’s point of view here. Maybe capitalism is effecting india and effecting the muslims a bit more then other religions, in my point of view. Anyways, you have accepted that pakistanis dont owe an apology to indians for 26/11 and i dont know how on earth Mr Malick said it here.
ANYWAYS, we all can go on and on not accepting each others point of views. Important thing is that we should try to promote peace between Pakistan and India. Indians should point out and act against the wrong decisions of indian government which go against regional peace. And Pakistanis, should also strongly point out and act against the shortcomings of our government. That will prove to be the most effective line of action for both of us; indians and pakistanis.
India can not get away without having good relations in the region and Pakistan should also work on peaceful lines. Rather pakistan now needs a self developmental and counteractive action against non peace promoting powers inside Pakistan, which are being financed by terrorists all over the world.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:00 am
I am ashamed to be called a Pakistani and even more to be a muslim, kudos to Mr. Malick.
We as Pakistanis point fingers to the Indian for least of things, till today we have no evidence that the Indans are engaging in terror activities on our soil, while the Indians have evidence to prove that we Pakistanis are spreading terror into India.
we blame India for not letting the Indus water pass to Pakistan what we must not forget is that our officals are corrupt and have pocketed the money instead of building damns.
India’s economy is a million times greater than ours , so we try to bleed it by printing fake notes, we must beg India and especially those who we have killed..
Lastly we Pakistanis must not forget that our country would not have existed had India not given us 324 Cr. RS to form our nation..
To my Indian brothers and sisters I Sajid A Pakistani Muslim beg you for forgiveness
Peace be with India a beautiful country
November 29th, 2009 at 9:05 am
@sajid azmi: hehehe… come on.. indians, dont play jokes and send fake responses..lol
November 29th, 2009 at 9:10 am
@ Sajid Azmi Stop this drama man……..every one knows that no1 say this ever n no1 ever feels ashamed of his religion or nationality……though he can be ashamed of his deeds which the terrorists must be.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:17 am
@sajid: If you are an indian, you should be ashamed of doing such ugly childish thing.
If you are pakistani, Never feel ashamed of what you are. if you feel something is bad around you improvise it. I have already pointed out, Despite of decor of apologies we should put effort in spreading word for peace.
India might have given money but dont spoil the beauty of a help from the neighbor by making it a buy out. We should always be ready for helping each other out. Nobody should take it wrong.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
@ Mr. Mallick…thanks man…thanks for your concern…atleast u r man enuff in your country to accept your country’s mistakes.
@ Indian…..I love wat u wrote…!!!
These Pakistanis……they just know hw to kill …they are never ashamed of their acts…they just know hw to kill…. sometimes at the name of their religion…and sometimes at the name of their backward thinking…….It was proved in the very open that….pakistani ministers actually supported those terrorists who illegally…and like those fearing rats entered our land and brutally killed our innocent brothers and sisters……mind it……..its the pakistanis who gave these terror attacks to India…and not the Indians….wat do u guys think……..wat r u suffering is cuz of us Indians…….bullshit…..stop those non humans in your country who supported and gave the blood shed this horrendous shape……
If u cant do dat…. thn just wait for ur own allah…..to do the justice and make u suffer wat u people actually deserve…and yes…. to all those pakistanis out their who are not man enuff to feel or say sorry…… we Indians are not waiting for your sorries…….we just know hw to make you beg for sorries…….if u do those kind of mistakes…
And hey pakis….Kashmir is very much the part of India…wake up guys……its the pakis…who illegally enter our land and start with wat they only know…killing…..and u pakis…..I wonder how much time you guys actually have…..to spread this shit everywhere…if you rather focus on better and constructive aspects…u can actually claim to be living in a developed country guys……and hey please gather enuff strength to see the truth….and strength, which i am sure u can never… to c ur short comings… ur mistakes… and last but not the least to say sorry……!!!
P.S…this is only for those pakistanis who have no respect for India, its culture and its countrymen…if u hate us we hate u even more…..so the feeling is very mutual…….so guys….rest in hell forever…!!!
November 29th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
@sajid: you derailed this conversation which was finally going in a positive direction.
@Haider: you are absolutely correct. we cannot progress when our neighbors are struggling. we must have peace in the region.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
mr malik no offence but WTF
m no gore and blood loving fundo but wht do u expect from pakistan in return for marriot bombing, disturbance in balochistan, funding for taliban in tribal areas and lahore attacks(srilankan team). u seriously think we’ll tell india to do more and thank them for their services???????
November 29th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Mr you should not apologize on our behalf we will do it our way… we feel sorry for the victims but its done by your government… just answer me a simple question even if these terrorists belong to PAKISTAN then WHAT WAS YOUR NAVY DOING WHEN THESE TERRORIST ENTERED MUMBAI???… were they also supporting those terrorists or they got money from Pakistan??? We the Paki people get these kinda attacks everyday but we never put it on India even when we have proofs that RAW is behind all these waziristan and sawat matter still we are not putting it on india cuz we know that someone from PAKISTAN let these RAW people to enter PAKISTAN so you better ask your government about it rather then making these kinda BULLSHITS…
Moreover i want to ask another question dat what da heck indian army is doing in KASHMIR???
Answer me these two question and we will apologize to whole indian people:)
November 29th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
@Indian: ahAan do you really think we are living a pathetic life just visit us once… at least we don’t have any person sleeping on roads and stinking road of bullshits and less illiteracy then india… you are right you must shift your concerns cuz if you even think to fight us we have our nuclear missiles toward you people so better watch out…
November 29th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
malick Sb,
thanx for such a wonderful article…we will feel grieved if any human is kiled innocent in india Pakistan or anywhre in this world regardless of the religion. but sir can you please explain why we pakistanis have to appologize to india for this brutal act. are we the one who did this? are we the one who support them? are we not the one who equally suffer from this hell raising terrorism in our country aswell?
November 29th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
We, Pakistanis should seek forgiveness? Dude, who are you? Are you even a Pakistani? Do you even know whats going on in this country? Do you even realise how many of our brothers nd sisters we have lost in the hands of these indians you expect us to seek forgiveness from? Okay whatever happened in mumbai was WRONG, agreed but wheres the proof that it was ISI or MI behind it?
You are just pathetic, incase noone has ever told you that!
Watch these videos from part 1 to 6, quite thought provoking!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GMd9mFasr4
November 29th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Mr. Malick,
Your article is surely based on your own assumptions…that is how you are asking for forgiveness for something which I call a badly scripted drama played in Mumbai.
It was as badly scripted as was 9/11!! Don’t you think it is just amusing that the mighty USA has not been able to catch alleged characters behind 9/11 incident? Don’t you think mighty USA wants its foothold in the southeast Asia and they’re doing whatever it takes for them to get an access to our land.
Pakistani and Indian people should understand and lets not fall prey to all this nonsense.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
i really used to think that this subcontinent had a really bright future in front of it, but now it seems as though even africa would be doing better. lets not treat each other as a typical enemy image and blame each other for whatever that goes wrong.
we are acting as though our neighbor is the only problem that we have, why cant we talk about nation building for instance. what i mean is plz talk abt something more constructive than just sitting and randomly hurling abuses at each other.
you know whats even more funny, i visited Atchisson College in Lahore a few years back and things didnt really feel all that different, probably apart from our different political classification, we guys have very similar linguistic, cultural and social composition. i fail to understand how can we hate each other, porbably the guys who are running propogandas on both the sides are doing a pretty good job.
lets get down to our problems guys, of which we have plenty and certainly sitting on our workstations and hurling abuses is going to solve nothing, first realize that!
November 29th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Are you part of this Propoganda? Mr Malick.?
Because i dont think any Pakistani should “APOLOGIZE”..
Our sympathies sure are with them .. but there’s no question of seeking forgiveness .. i just dont think so …
November 29th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
@Hamood ur Rehman Khan: I completely agree with you Mr. Hamood. Its not that anybody here is blaming the Pakistani Government or the Pakistani Army for the atrocities. Its just that all these incidents have happened with the help of some radicalists in Pakistan, thats all.
Mr. Hamood, you have stopped to think before talking unlike many others from your country! Thank you & kudos to you for that! May there be more people like you to help raise your country to greater heights, rather than having ignorant individuals who are a waste of life, who will trash your land to the greatest pits!
November 29th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
In a way I agree with some commentators who said there is no need to apologize. Because you are not responsible, Pakistanis as a whole are not responsible. It is some criminals who did it. If the Pakistani and the ISI is involved, then the government should apologize, but certainly not citizens like you. However there is one thing I do not agree with and that is when you say that you feel sorry for those “lost souls- poverty stricken, uneducated young men.” I think we should keep in mind that they killed hundreds of innocent men, women and children and they also tortured many before killing them. All poor and uneducated do not behave like this when they are tempted with money. I would say that only a minuscule percentage of “lost souls- poverty stricken, uneducated young men” do this. Therefore let us not blame their poverty or lack of education. Let us acknowledge that the LeT picked criminals and in some cases deranged people for their acts.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
I see religion as the biggest evil. We are having to see so many weak people getting brainwashed into believing something which can never be proved and fails to teach anything good to us. I don’t feel sorrow or worry or anger. I feel sympathy and pity over you all. There are also some good things advocated by religions. But i guess most people don’t give a rats ass. People go around acting like they own their religion. As if it is something of a priced possession and to prove it to others that his/her religion is better. Competition is fun in a cricket game. But for some made up crap? That is ridiculously amusing.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
@PAKISTANI: i dont think we are on appologizing terms with india…..they have years of same to do for their crimes against muslims(indian as well as pakistani muslims)…..their ongoing involvement in balochistan and afghanistan speaks volumes on their mindset…….counter terrorism should be our national policy…and if indians dont behave like responsible neighbors then hey perhaps need a dose of their own medicines…its some times good to lve in real times!!!!
November 29th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
@ZIA well don’tt know about how u can say that India is involved in all what’s happening in ur country as well as ur frontiers. may be u oerwatch ur PTV or other local news channels. Coz from the google maps n other security informations, even from FBI n others, it has been proven that those millitants had training camps in ur country n not in India.
@ Army In Kashmir
As i said earlier, i live in Kashmir. Lemme tell u one incident happened here. A millitant came n killed some innocent ppl some years back. In reply, Indian army, to save us, fired some shots n killed those hooligans. Same night i switched to watch TV n saw that PTV was saying in NEWS that Indian army today killed 2 kashmiris (which were originaly millitants). Now may be this proves ur point from a kashmiri’s view.
@ Development
In our kashmir, we have a democratic system. Still there are problems here n i dont deny that. But that mostly becoz of those anti national persons like Geelani n all who get money from ISI. They call for strike everyday n a normal individual suffers in all aspects like education n business. Women are allowed to go to schools, colleges. They can vote etc. They enjoy all rights of freedom. But i dont think thts the case in ur Kashmir.
@ Raw involvement
We dont give a damm about that. These corrupt politicians can do nething for their gains n moreover these are highly political things so let those politicians talk of that. Nobody here, i can bet, knows who is realy involved in all this. May be Uncle Sam is planning all this to get a hold in our subcontinent.
SO LETS JOIN HANDS N MOVE TOWARDS PROSPERITY N STOP ABUSING EACH OTHERS’ RELIGIONS N NATIONALITY.
Moreover we dont need ne apolozies from u ppl. We want those masterminds who planned this brutal activity.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:05 am
I just saw the documentary … some of the survivors seem to be Paid Actors … no offense .. but seriously .. its like one of those too good to be true kind of thing ….
Mr Malick .. i agree with you .. but FORGIVENESS .. we’re not the ones who should seek it .. nor are the Indians … its those people who are responsible for such horror who should seek forgiveness … whatever happened in Mumbair .. is going to be repeated in Pakistan too .. maybe by Indian Extremists .. who would rally up illeteate and poor Indian boys or maybe those who lost their parents or family on the 26th …
This cycle is endless the only way to end it is .. end the Boundries .. NO MORE COUNTRIES .. God made EARTH for Human beings .. He didnt make PAKISTAN FOR MUSLIMS and AMERICA FOR CHRISTIANS and INDIA FOR HINDUS ..
P.S some guy up there was talkin about Foreign exchange and how well India is doing in stocks n all .. Brother YOU NEED TO WAKE UP! its like winning in a game that doesn’t actually mattter, AT ALL …..
Golden Rule: Whoever has the GOLD makes the rules …. Think about it !
November 30th, 2009 at 12:16 am
I observered many Pakistanis and Indians here saying its the government who does it all!
I say it is us who elect these governments or it it is US who SELECTS these governments!
The day each one of us start taking responsibility, we will be the GOVERNMENT.
All are in a habbit of naming and blaming…..lets do right more then just writing more!
November 30th, 2009 at 12:34 am
Forgiving a Terrorist should be left to GOD.. But fixing their appointment with GOD is entirely our Responsibility – INDIAN ARMY.
Next year IPL to b played in PAK. Facilities offered by Pak Govt
1. Security by Al-Quieda & Taliban
2. Cheer Gals Dance in closed rooms with no cameras
3. Bomb blast after every Sixer.
Cheeers………… heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee………
November 30th, 2009 at 12:34 am
The fact that India has spent crores on Ajmal Kasab proves that we practise fairplay. Every one has a right to live and defend himself in a trial.
Dear pakistanis does this happen in your country ?
Your country is ruled my militia. The day your country “matures” into a civilized society can you call Pakistan as “Country”.
I see pakistan as “in State”.
Dont live on the Dog food thrown by US. They will feed you as long as you wag.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:41 am
The Pakistani drinks his beer and suddenly throws his glass in the air, pulls out a gun and shoots the glass to pieces.
He says “In Islamabad our glasses are so cheap that we don’t need to drink from the same one twice.”
The Bangladeshi [obviously impressed by this] drinks his beer, throws his glass into the air, pulls out his gun and shoots the glass to pieces.
He says “In Dhaka we have so much sand to make the glasses that we don’t need to drink out of the same glass twice either.”
INDIAN Sardar, cool as a cucumber, picks up his beer and drinks it, throws his glass into the air, pulls out his gun and shoots the Pakistani and Bangladeshi.
He says “In India we have so many Pakistanis and Bangladeshi that we don’t need to drink with the same ones twice.”
November 30th, 2009 at 12:47 am
LOL at the above joke…………but i think this is not the right place to crack such gr8 jokes……try these in santa banta……..u may get a contract signed with those guys…….ha ha ha
November 30th, 2009 at 2:09 am
I read the comment of One person about Indian as Baniyans
Bustard u know about Indians and India
People like u creating all problems you are a real enimy of Muslims and Islam
November 30th, 2009 at 5:00 am
@Paki: hahaha… cmnon SERIOUSLY… THIS PAKI S DEFINITLY NOT IN THIS WORLD.. U IDIOT.. V SAY V WNT PEAC U SAY U HAV UR MISSILES POINTED AT US..
REMEMBER JUS BCOS INDIA IS NOT SHOWN OFF HOW THEY CAN ATTACK DOESNT MEAN V R WEAK..! ! ITS JUS OUR MATURITY 2 KNO THAT UNLIK PAKISTAN WE WANT PEAC NOT WAR… V DNT BRING OUR NUCLEAR WEOPENS AS A THREAT EVERY TIME POWER DISPLAY CUMS AT HAND..
AND HOW RICH PAKISTAN IS…??MY FRIEND U HAV A BRILLIANT SENS OF HUMOR.. TO EVEN BRNG THAT TOPIC HERE ! !U R A PAKISTANI.. U SHUD B ASHAMED OF UR PRESENT ECONOMIC STATE ! ! NOT PROUD OF IT! !& hav u ever seen MUMBAI in ur life ???
MUMBAI’S ECONOMIC TURNOVER IS HIGHER THAN THAT OF ISLAMABAD AND KARACHI AND LAHORE COMBINED :p… SO DONT DARE CAL MUMBAI POOR…U R ONLY EMBARRASSING URSELF??
U IDIOT IT IS US WHO GAV U rS 324 CRORE IN THE FIRST PLAC 2 START UR ECENOMY! ! AND U MAKE WEOPENS FRM THAT AND SHOW US!! HAHAHA… :p
November 30th, 2009 at 5:23 am
Janab Malick Sahab- you are rocking and rolling. We need more people like you. I added translation of poem in your other article. But reading responses from ISI paid agents to your article who say we need a belligerant army because we are in danger from India I was thinking of another poem by great revolutionary Habib Jalib. I have typed below in Urdu (roman) because I dont have translation:
Khatra hai zar daron ko
Girti hui diwaron ko
Sadiyon ke bimaron ko
Khatre mein Islam nahin
Sari zamin ko ghere hue hain aakhir chand gharane kyon
Naam nabi ka lene wale ulfat se begane kyon
Khatra hai khun khwaron ko
Rang birangi karon ko
Amrika ke pyaron ko
Khatre mein Islam nahin
Aaj hamare naaron se larza hai bapa aiwanon mein
Bik na sakenge hasrat-o arman unchi saji dukanon mein
Khatra hai bat maron ko
Maghrib ke bazaron ko
Choron ko makkaron ko
Khatre mein Islam nahin
Amn ka parcham le kar utho har insane se piyar karo
Aprna to manshoor hai Jalib, sare jahan se pyar karo
Khatra hai darbaron ko
Shahon ke ghamkhwaron ko
Nawabon, ghaddaron ko
Khatre mein Islam nahin
November 30th, 2009 at 5:30 am
My name is Mohammad Ali s/o Late Arif Ali, residing in Gulistan Jauhar, Karachi. I am a lecturer in private Engineering college. I am on the record apologizing to the families who lost family members in 26 November 2008 in Bombay India. My dear Indian brothers and sisters please understand and learn to differentiate between Pakistani people and our rulers.
People of Pakistan want to live peacefully with all of our neighbors. We want jobs, security, progress and join India’s IT revolution. I teach computer science and I am very impressed because every innovation I teach comes from India.
Sincerely yours,
Ali
November 30th, 2009 at 5:53 am
Hi All,
I am an Indian muslim and let me tell you, I have a very good life here in India, I wonder why there are so many immature comments from some Pakistanis about Indians deserving it and long live paki army etc., guys grow up…killing is wrong..violnce is wrong..millitization is wrong on any side of the border..we need more mature people in pakistan or else it is turning into afghanistan!
November 30th, 2009 at 5:58 am
Mohammad Ali
Aab jaise log Eid ka Chand hai. Kash, aab ke Mulk ke sare quam aab jaise ho.
Shukriya aur Hindustan se salaam.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:01 am
@faisal: aabe kitne Joote (shoes) khaoge indian army ke haato se aur … bloody … saalo america aur china ka jhootha aur daya pe palne waalo …
Tum log kashmir aur democracy ki baat karte ho?? kitne saal se democracy hai tumhare khud ke desh mei? aabe tum log kasmiri ko haaq ki baat karte ho .. khud ka islam dekho… tum logo ne islam ko badnaam kar diya hai. Kabhi india aao aur islam ko samjho !
Kya hai economy ke naam paar tumhare paas?? america ka package aur nuclear bomb. Phati padi rehti hai india se toh ek nuclear bomb rakh kar bethe ho aur terrorist bhejte rehte ho… propoganda ka meaning pata hai janab?? agar kashmir aur aapne pakistan military rule ki history nahi pata toh Google karo nahi toh authentic TV channel dekho, phir baat karna…
sharam aani chahyi
November 30th, 2009 at 7:21 am
@Mohammad Ali: very good statement. I am a Sindhi, resident of Nawabshah and I express sympthy with victims of Mumbai. Also, Indian people should be aware of our situation. we are living under the tyrannical rule of army and ISI. people of pakistan want peace with India.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:22 am
My dear fellow Pakistani …
you forgot about what the Indians did in 65 and 71.
You forgot what they did in Liberty Lahore and several other instances that there have been clear indications of Indian involvement in domestic terror attacks in Pakistan.
And btw … if I recall correctly, the indians were not giving out identities of the attackers until the 11th hour …. and suddenly, they were all Pakistani!! YEAH RIGHT!!
What’s funny is … The indian Navy is HUGE!! and they couldnt spot a f**** boat with a few morons in it!
what’s funnier is that you people will believe EVERYTHING you see on TV!
I, for one, dont believe that it were Pakistani’s that were involved in those attacks. Prime targets Arun Gawli, Ashok Kamte etc had found evidence of the indian military’s involvement is Muslim massacres LOL!
Apology my posterior!!
November 30th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Obaid: Sir did you smoke too much hashish today? For how long can you live in denial? Sir ji even Pakistani government has accepted the fact that these terrorists were Pakistanis. Where do you live sir? It is for Indians to criticize total melt down of security system during Mumbai attack. Navy and Police both did very pathetic job.
But that does not absolve LeT from the crime. It is like if I come to your house and harras your sexy sister and when you complain my father tells you to keep your sister locked in the room. Tells you why weren’t you watching. Total bullshit..
November 30th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Folks from Pakistan and India… please stop blaming and mocking each other’s country. We are the common masses and we dont indulge in terrorism. But that doesn’t mean that we know everything about each other’s country, their economy and the pain that they are going through.
My advise to my Pakistani friends is that let’s not feel proud or happy that a person was hurt in India. When there’s a bomb blast or a spray of bullets, the rogue doesnt care who he is killing. He doesnt even care whether he is in India or Pakistan. We are all victims who are hoping for a better secure life for our loved ones. Let’s stop feeling proud of what’s happening in our countries. Deep within… we are all victims.
My advise to my friends in India is that let’s stop commenting on Pakistan’s economy and other facts. We have enough problems in India that will take us a decade to resolve. Let’s spend our time and intelligence in solving the issues that affect our own country and make it a better place to live. Maybe the terrorists who attacked Mumbai were born in Pakistan, but does that really matter!!! Does it matter whether a terrorist was born in India or Pakistan or XYZ nation? It’s not the birthplace but the activities that really matter. Are we content with the information we see on our television? The activity was planned in Pakistan, but would it have been possible without atleast 1 person’s support/ignorance in India? Our media shows all the planning done by a terrorist organisation that has branches in Pakistan, but it doesn’t show us how a country with the highest population in the world failed to stop the plan from being executed. We have enough instances like Gujarat and Babri masjid that we should be ashamed of….. not because we did those unforgiving acts with our own hands, but because we elected some leaders who trigerred and supported these events. So let’s stop the blame game and try to make our country a good place to live. If we can set good examples, I am sure it is worth more than millions of justifications and advises.
People of both countries, unless we stop taking pride in the acts of terror happening in India and Pakistan, we will never grow into a better nation. Let’s stop suggesting each other’s country to improve their acts. We should concentrate on electing leaders who really deserve to be at the top. We should elect a government who will concentrate on developing his/her own nation and stop endorsing any terror acts to harm their respective neighbours. Set good examples in our own country and the hatred will die out soon. India and Pakistan separated on the basis of hatred. Our history books tell us of the wars that were faught between India and Pakistan. Never were we taught about the attempts that both countries have made to strengthen our ties. We have been so keen to keep the fire of hatred alive that we forget that its been 60+ years and life has moved on. We still talk about the acts that were performed in 1940’s and 1950’s. We still talk abou the wars in 60’s and 70’s. Its time we start making history again and show that its not the voilence that we would love to cherish but rather its the act of holding hands and co-operation that we would like to carry ahead from here
November 30th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Unknown assailants fired at the residence of renowned journalist Kamran Shafi midnight Thursday and fled the scene.The family of Kamran Shafi however remained safe and a complaint was lodged with POF Wah police station.
Kamran said after few hours of the incident, he received call from a phone being used in fake name who threatened him of dire consequences.
The caller described the incident as just a “trailer” for what he was used to write and warned, more would follow. Kamran Shafi said, he always worked for the promotion of democracy.
Like Ibrahim Sajid Malick, Kamran is also exposing ISI role in destabalizing democracy in Pakistan.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Hello Sir,
Kudos to you for your brave article.Truth is always truth whatever any body can say or deny anything.To those Pakistanis who blaming India ,should first learn their history and to listen their politicians and Govt officials who openly accepted their fault within 3 days after the 26/11 case.Whole world knew that Pakistan is the country responsible for all terrorism in this earth.Now Pakistan facing their own fate every day. Their own created terrorists killing innocents ..how many days you people will act like blind foolish?Your friend the mighty America now know the truth ..Its India who is tolerating everything ,if it would be country like Israel or China or USA or Russia Pakistan would no longer in this earth.
What pakistan did in Kargil every body knew.. and when India showed its power Nawaz Sarif ran to America to request for a truce.Your bloody Musarraf openly admitted it.
How many proof you people require?You people dont have proper medical facility,technology etc etc..but you are running after India ..but India continuously prospering .So apply your brain and think neutrally.
Talibans attacked Srilankan player but your govt accused Indian govt but after one day Taliban admitted their involvement.You should feel shame.If one person honestly telling some thing why it is itching you?Some body telling why to apolize to Indian Hindus..what a foolish logic ..dear pakistani pl dont forget that India has more muslims than your country and Muslims here are too much advanced and educated than your country.
Shame on you.
So before you people will destroy your country try to act first and fight against terrorism.Otherwise you will face the fate you never imagined. and India will do nothing .only your created terrorists will do everything.
God bless you.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:29 am
@Vinil: BOSS IT WAS NOT MASZID / IT WAS MOSQUE AND NO PRAYERS WERE OFFERED BEFORE DISTROYING THAT CONSTRUCTION.
OF COURSE THIS WAS GIVEN WRONGLY A HINDU COLOR BY SOME MAD POLITICIANS.
MUSRAFF TO ADMITTED THAT SAMJHUTA EXPRESS WAS PLANNED BY ISI TO DETORITE INDO PAK RELATION AND TO GIVE FIRE WARMTH TO TERE MAD POLITICIANS.
PLEASE BE CONCIOUS WILE WRITING IN SUCH BLOGS
November 30th, 2009 at 11:31 am
why the hell wd we seek forgiveness we didnt do that
india shd take care of its own problems
they dont seek forgiveness for the attacks which are occuring in pakistan every other day rather indians help terrorist to atttack pakistan
who was the idiot who started this article
November 30th, 2009 at 11:40 am
@ Lashkar e Tayyaba :
You haven’nt done enough .We need more , but lets just start from these quasi-humen mallick and co. These venomous vipers never fluttered their so called so called humanitarian jargons when muslims were brutally massacared by Hindu maraueders .
The on going muslim and christian slaughtering seems like a never ending saga in the so called is secular democratic …and yes the
buthcer Modi is still scot free ……..even the police helped the hindu mob .the whole decayed hindu judiciaty is biased .hah ,,what dya expect …roses ? wishful thinking .Viva LeT.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:52 am
“Khuda Bux Says:
November 30th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Obaid: Sir did you smoke too much hashish today? For how long can you live in denial? Sir ji even Pakistani government has accepted the fact that these terrorists were Pakistanis. Where do you live sir? It is for Indians to criticize total melt down of security system during Mumbai attack. Navy and Police both did very pathetic job.
But that does not absolve LeT from the crime. It is like if I come to your house and harras your sexy sister and when you complain my father tells you to keep your sister locked in the room. Tells you why weren’t you watching. Total bullshit..”
MR Khuda Bux, you started by saying to Obaid that did you smoke today?? and i will say to you Man are you drunk?? If terrorists all or some in 26/11 were pakistanis, so what?? That doesnot mean that now state of pakistan is now responsible for their acts. Americans get caught worldwide in smuggling, human trafficking and lot of other serious illegal activities but no one says that now government of USA is involved in these activities.. Then why Pakistan’s state is responsible for Kasab and any other terrorist involved in 26/11. There is no evidence of Pakistans govt or ISI involved in 26/11 then who the hell are you to blame them?? Then you are giving the example of sexy sister?? If you are an indian or a pakistani.. Please go through a mental checkup.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Brothers instead of blaming pakistan.. we should accept it open heartidly that.. 26/11 was a drama .. directed by indian agencies.. that is why our govt has failed to provide any evidence againt pakistan
November 30th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Hello @ you should go to film ..you feel 26/11 drama then 9/11 also drama and all terrorists killings in all over the world is drama ..how bull shit.
Oh ..for some uneducated Pakistani their country is now becoming graveyard all innocents are dying each day ..there is no human rights ,no education for girls.Pakistan and India were started almost same day after division now where is India and where is Pakistan?Pakistani comedians coming to India for their earning All reputed companies belong to India and all reputed famous terrorist organisation belong to Pakistan.If Pakistanis like this type of industry then good luck to their coming generations.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
@Jamil: You should go for mental check-up. Come to Sir Cowasjee Jehangir Institute of Psychiatry in Hyderabad and my friends will give you mental and rectal check up. you are talking from your behind maybe your head is stuck there. you harami agent of ISI.. killer of innocent Sindhi people.
how can you deny culpability? who created LeT? Who is protecting LeT even today? stop fooling us harami ISI agent.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Hi Mohammad Ali I agree with you. I’m also from Pakistan and i dont want to enter into dirty politics but we should openly agree with the prosperity of India .We need better future for our children,why people reluctant to accept it?
November 30th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Dear Indian Lover,
You criticize pakistani government and pakistani people. The truth is that even if you criticize indian government and indian people, you cannot change an inch about them. You can only think what needs to be done in india and then you can convince more indian people to your point of view, so that they can influence government decisions in some way. Pakistan is not responsible for these terrorist acts and more responsible is indian govt. If it cannot guarantee the safety of its own people then shame on your government and shame on people like you who want to cover your govts faults.
Whats happening in Pakistan is more because of its regional position. India is not neighbouring to Afganistan. Pakistan is neighbouring afganistan. When russia came to afganistan in 1980s, that made US to fund militants from afganistan to get russia out of afganistan and that unfortunately impacted pakistan as borders of pakistan were nearly open to afghan militants. These militants which US created, have evolved over the years into all these terrorist organizations like al qaeda and taliban and now they are destroying pakistan. If India neighboured afganistan, it would have had the same problems which pakistan is facing today. Theres nothing great on the part of india that if india is more safe then pakistan today.
My Dear, Pakistan today has a problem because of afganistan, and a lot of peace loving people live in pakistan and they are no different from indians or any other people anywhere in the world. Its true that pakistan’s govt has struggled for stability over the years but its biggest problem is terrorism and that purely is there because of its regional position.
My dear, we can play this blame and “shame on you” game for years without any fruitful ending. It would be more productive if we call join hands and share our ideas in a manner thats positive for both india and pakistan.
When you look on the lifestyle of indian and pakistani people, they have no big differences and they have the same hard working habits and same goals in life. Its only that pakistan has got the above mentioned problems becuase of which its lagging behind india today. We can be and should be friends as indians and pakistanis , and believe me we have common interests. We should share good and positive ideas. I think, it benefits the western and terrorist powers more if we keep on criticizing and fighting with each other like mad. We have no reason to kill each other but i dont know why we end up finding reasons and whys to hurt each other and in recent years india has done a lot of things to create new issues with pakistan as it has more power these days. But its not in the interest of india or pakistan to create more problems, rather then solving previous ones. If pakistan’s govt is helpless in front of islamic extremists then indian govt also has an extremist hindu faction which always keeps creating more problems with Pakistan..
My dear, the best thing to be done now is that we all (pakistanis and indians) be friends and think about how we can improve things among us. Otherwise, whats at the other end… If we have a nuclear war, then who will win???
November 30th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
@Haider dear Janab Haider Sahab : To end this discussion..COMPARING INDIA MUSLIMS in MICRO VIEW ..here I am Quoting a very realistic macro view article By Syed Akbar Ali (Syed Akbar Ali is a noted writer and activist from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. He can be contacted on ali.syedakbar@gmail.com
URL: http://www.newageislam.org/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=1906 ) On Islam and Muslim ‘Backwardness’
He writes :
“They have chosen the straying instead of guidance and thus, their trade never prospers, nor are they ever guided” Surah 2:16
“Islam is not a religion. Islam is a deen or a way of life. Islam does not breed hatred. Surely then what is breeding all this hatred in Iraq is not Islam.”
The example of Pakistan and the presence of its perceived arch rival India right next door provides us a unique opportunity to compare the fate of two countries that were both one not too long ago. Pakistan was born of the partition of India in 1947. Until recently India too was a failed state. In fact according to the criteria used to measure ‘Failed States’ discussed earlier it can be argued that India is still a failed state.
Literacy at 59.5% is still a luxury in the rural parts of India. Infant mortality is high at 56 deaths or 5.6% per 1000 births. But India has enjoyed buoyant economic growth exceeding 6% for the past decade.
In contrast Pakistan has a literacy rate of 48.7%, infant mortality stands at 72.4 deaths or 7.24% per 1000 births with 32% of the population living below the poverty level. It is obvious that since the partition of the subcontinent in 1947, India is pulling ahead of Pakistan.
But like in Pakistan there are many parts of India where law and order is decided locally. In some parts of India like Bihar, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh and other places the Central Government or even State authorities can have less clout than local landlords, warlords, brigands and others. Caste wars are too common in India until today. In Bihar whole villages are slaughtered by people of different castes. If the reader recalls these are some of the characteristics of a Failed State where the Central Government does not have full control or effective say in all its territories. The other characteristic of a Failed State exhibited by India is the fact that millions of Indians still exit the country to search for a better life elsewhere. Then corruption is still rife in India. When dealing with Government few things get done without paying someone some money. Higher education is still a privilege. Health facilities are basic. 60 years after Independence there is no clean water in all parts of India.
But India is at last just beginning to crawl out of this morass. India is touted the IT capital of the world and also the outsourcing centre for the West. However 25% of the 1.2 billion population lives below the poverty level. In absolute numbers there is supposed to be a large 300 million middle class population in India. But many aspects of the so called middle class group in India are overrated. For example the entire population of programmers in India did not exceed 500,000 people in 2004. The Indians target to have 2.0 million IT professionals by 2008 (APJ Abdul Kalam). This is less than 0.2 percent of the 1.2 billion Indian population. But still this modicum of success is acting as a catalyst to spur other Indians forward. Indians are now among Forbes magazine’s list of world billionaires. And these are usually IT and steel billionaires.
Compared to India, there are no IT or steel billionaires from Pakistan. What differentiates India tremendously from Pakistan is that India is not shackled about reinventing everything in a religious format. Despite the presence of religious Hindu fanatics among the majority the Indians have embraced secularism. As I stated earlier, all they have to do is clean up their act, cut the corruption and improve the implementation of a workable system largely inherited from the colonial British. Once the cobwebs are cleared and the tarnish removed, the shine should come through again. At least they have a very good chance.
Pakistan does not enjoy this luxury anymore. Over successive waves of ‘Islamisation’ perfectly workable systems were undermined and thrown out as being ‘western’, ‘Christian’, colonial and other such malicious labelling and replaced with a confusing Hodge podge of religious and tribal laws, customs and practices. And then these unworkable systems became further bogged down by the same old corruption, inefficiency and apathy of the Civil Servants, the administrators and politicians. Now even if Pakistan reduces corruption and improves the efficiency of its Civil Servants they still have to go to work in an increasingly religion infested system that is inherently flawed. You can polish the car and change to new tyres but if the engine is broken down that car is not going to get you very far.
This is the difference between India and Pakistan. The underlying institutions in India are still sound. India has a fighting chance of crawling out of its hole and it looks like the Indians are slowly doing it. But the Pakistanis have traded away their underlying workable systems for something much inferior. They have almost no chance.
And like the Osamas, the Taliban and the Ikhwan ul Muslimeen in Egypt, many Pakistanis are further hobbled by their belief that they are not successful in life because they are not committed enough to their religion. As many of them see it, to cure their ills they must have an even larger dose of their religion. Welcome to the Club of Doom. This is like the Malay saying ‘biarkan si luncai terjun dengan labu labunya’ which loosely translated means ‘let the fat guy sink himself in the deep end’. Their understanding of religion seems to focus their energies on hate, hate and more hate. They have nothing better to do with their lives.
Pakistan too has its world class scientists but they are not always appreciated. The fact is some of them have even been threatened with death. And all because of religion. Let’s take the case of Dr Abdus Salam, a Pakistani scientist who was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1979. Dr Abdus Salam’s Nobel Prize and scientific achievements are belittled and have been dismissed by the majority of Pakistanis who accuses him of being a religious deviant. Dr Abdus Salam was a member of the Qadianis – another religious sect in Pakistan which is condemned by the orthodox Sunni majority. They have even accused Dr Abdus Salam as being part of a Jewish conspiracy – another favorite bogeyman in Pakistan. Here is a sample of more Pakistani bluster on the Internet against their own countryman Dr Abdus Salam:
“A Glimpse into Qadiani-Jewish Objectives: In Dr. Abdul Qadeer’s interview, there is one meaningful epithet. The epithet is “Like-minded”. Most appropriate, because the Qadianis are great allies of the Jewish/Zionist movement. They cooperate with each other in spitting out venomous propaganda against Muslims on an international base. Zionism is a sworn enemy of Islam since its inception. History testifies that they damaged the Islamic polity by motivating separatist movements. This time they have a protagonist in Qadianism and a ready mule to ride on. The award (of the Nobel Prize) to Dr. Abdus Salam Qadiani is in pursuance of a common cause of the antagonists of Islam”.
Even as great an achievement as winning the Nobel Prize does not get any appreciation. This is the terrible fate of the Islamic countries. There is this never ending hate, hate and more hate – just because someone believes in a different sect.
The description of Pakistan and India should further open our eyes about the negative effects of fanatic religion. India is still pretty messed up socially, economically and politically in large part because a vast majority of Indians still believe in irrational beliefs – usually tied to religion – which has created humongous divisions and hatreds among its people. Differences created by caste, beliefs, ritualistic practices, oppressive traditions and other irrationalities has caused hardship, and even bloodshed among its people even until today. Although 1.2 billion in number the Indians do not represent one united nation.
In stark contrast, we can see the Chinese in China beginning to pull ahead of India, Italy, France, Britain, Russia and soon Japan and America by leaps and bounds because Mao Tse Tung had the great foresight to eradicate the more irrational aspects of religion and other debilitating traditional beliefs from the Chinese psyche. Before Communism, the Chinese people were also divided by caste, religion, tradition and other differences. Once these were got rid off and a uniform philosophy based on science and technology imposed upon the people the Chinese have become a more united entity. More importantly they have been able to organise themselves, pick themselves up and move forward at a rapid clip.
In my view the modern China of today is the best example of a nation making a great success of itself almost completely through the application of science and technology without being hindered too much by overbearing religious beliefs and other suffocating ‘philosophies of life’. It is doubtful if India can ever catch up with China anytime in the foreseeable future. Among the few Indians who are moving up in life in good numbers and being very productive citizens are those same IT practitioners. To make a living as a successful IT professional Indians have to leave behind their religion or caste based notions and cultural or traditional obstacles and instead rely on plain logic to write their software. This simple comparison alone should open people’s eyes (especially the Muslim’s) that debilitating religion not only causes hatred but it also prolongs poverty.
And what happens when the process is reversed i.e. when people give up a way of life based on science and logic and revert back to divisive religion? Although it can be argued extensively if Communism is indeed the all encompassing philosophy which many think it is, Yugoslavia provides a good example of a country which was divided largely by religion and was then united through the iron grip of General Tito’s communism for 35 years from 1945 till 1980. After the death of Tito and the fall of communism, within 10 years Yugoslavia broke up in 1990 again and saw the resurgence of religious based hatreds. Hence we in Malaysia became familiar with the war in Bosnia Herzegovina, Serbia, Croatia, the deaths of Muslims and Christians and so on. Tito’s ‘religion free’ communism kept the peace for almost 35 years but post communist religion brought war and destruction to the Balkans in less than a decade.
Islam on the other hand is not a religion. Islam is a deen or a way of life. Islam does not breed hatred. Surely then what is breeding all this hatred in Iraq is not Islam.
The Quran talks about ‘aamilus solihaat’ or righteous works. The South Koreans and Chinese have established a cycle of ‘aamilus solihaat’ or circle of righteous works. These types of righteous works must be preceded by willingness on the part of the people to cooperate and help each other. They must agree to abide by so called ‘secular’ laws. They must have disciplined Civil Servants whose duty is to implement those laws fairly and efficiently. Unfortunately this circle of righteous work or ‘aamilus solihaat’ has so far eluded the Islamic countries. Despite producing so many university graduates few of the Islamic countries can even manufacture their own underpants.
Just educating the Muslims and making every Muslim an engineer or doctor is not enough to create a successful Islamic country. Somehow a PhD does not automatically make a Muslim respect his neighbour, his environment or stop him from being ‘holier than thou’ or be able to contribute some useful work in a disciplined and professional manner which can compete with the non Muslims. The continuing suffering of the Islamic countries bears witness to these failures.
Another characteristic of a Failed State is the dominance by a restrictive religion. Certainly this is what we have been talking about here. In Malaysia religion is getting more intrusive into peoples’ daily lives. Some of the more foolish religious authorities have lately embarked on another crusade to set up moral squads to go around snooping into peoples’ private lives. The ummah is being inculcated with this type of diseased mentality to become peeping toms and volunteers in these snoop squads. So far there seems to be some common sense among the political leadership which has put a stop to these snoop squads. But the disease is spreading. Many Muslims now love to observe what time their neighbours get up for the early morning sahur meal during the fasting month. They also like to check up which mosque their neighbours attend for prayers. Sometimes they will pry ‘Didn’t see you at the mosque?’. We have created a nation of religious busy bodies.
Frequently we also hear of the snoop squads physically assaulting couples caught for ‘khalwat’ or being in close proximity. In one case a snoop squad started beating up a policeman caught in such a situation. The policeman promptly pulled out his gun and killed one of the snoop squad. In another case that was not reported in the Malaysian media, a snoop squad beat up a boy and a girl who were caught for khalwat. The girl promptly made a police report over the assault resulting in the snoop squad being arrested by the Police.
Then we come to the aversion to hard work. This is another characteristic of a Failed State – irrespective of whether Muslim or not. But the fact that the Muslims are at the bottom of the economic totem not just in Malaysia but in all Islamic countries is sufficient evidence that here is another characteristic of a Failed State that is embraced with passion by the Muslims in Malaysia. Among the Arabs it is even worse. I have already quoted figures about the contraction of the Syrian economy and the economic doldrums which are the fate of the 22 member Arab League of Nations. To work is almost disgraceful. Taking all these negative elements in total, the Muslims in Malaysia already exhibit many of the characteristics that have been observed among what is known as the Failed States.
‘Some of them even twist their tongues to simulate the scripture, to make you think that it is from the scripture when it is not from the scripture, and claim that it is from God, when it is not from God. They invent lies and attribute them to God, knowingly.’
Surah 3:78.:
LETS NOT DEVIATE THE REALL AGENDA OF TIS BLOG
November 30th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
@Jamil: Sorry about getting silly up there. I want to give you a serious response. It is a well accepted fact LeT terrorist organization worked very closely with the ISI, and they worked together in a coordinated effort in orchestrating terror attacks in Kashmir.The LeT is funded, armed and trained by the Inter-Services Intelligence, and is linked up with Al-Qaeda, and is the most visible manifestation of Al-Qaeda in India. The LeT receives considerable financial, material and other forms of assistance from the Pakistan government, routed primarily through the ISI. The ISI is the main source of LeT’s funding. Saudi Arabia also provides funds. The LeT also played a part in the ISI organized Bosnian campaign against the Serbs, which was directed above the ISI by the CIA and British intelligence.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Hi everyone,
What happened in Mumbai is very depressing and should have never happened.
But its all made up story by Indian Media that it was planned by someone from Pakistan. even there investigation agencies failed to give a logical answer to allegations they marked on people of Pakistan
Its a shame that the leaders in India use blood of their nationals for getting votes
November 30th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
@Simon Indian lover is very much correct ,why r you hiding the truth ?Pakistan is equally responsible for Afganistan even today also paksitan trying to give shelter to all notorious terrorists leader in their country ..No govt is capable of giving security to their citizen but govt is responsible of controlling but Pakistan control is out of hand ,it is because of Pakistan Govt’s open aid to militants they have their separate budget for them.
About 70% country can’t be wrong about Pakistan ,now every alternate country crtisizing Pakistan.
Pakistan public has no fault but when people like you blindly supporting misdeed of militants then country has to afce the penalty.
Time will answer who is right..
India has Hindu extrmsit but now only they are starting to raise their head to counter Islamic group but Indian govt strongly taken action ,not like Pakistan Govt.
Already world has seen the development between two countries.
If Pakistan facing problem for Afghanistan then India is also facing problem for Pakistan.’
Every alternate day Pakistani leader giving wrong comments .Some are accepting their involvement some are opposing,just playing around with innocent public.The country’s top scientist was caught stealing nuke or supplying technologies .what a shame for a country.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Khuda Bux.. you yourself are saying that you have friends in Sir Cowasjee Jehangir Institute of Psychiatry in Hyderabad. Man i was joking earlier but you are mad for sure. Somebody please get Khuda Bux back to Sir Cowasjee Jehangir Institute of Psychiatry. He has run away from there.
Khuda Bux, kindly give your location to us,. someone may be able to get you back.. its for your own good.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
@Nauman You should get a Nobel prize for analytical investigation ,I think you are having some divine power i think ,otherwise how well you tell that Indian govt did 26/11,then all Pakistan explosions are done by Pakistan govt?
Terrific analysis .Your brain should be examined by a neutral country.
November 30th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
@john: you are saying that pakistans govt cannot control properly. I have already accepted that its lacks stability and due to lack of stability, it is not functioning fully well.. But again, who created these big terrorists groups you are talking about?? who initiated action against russia in afganistan and who funded and created terrorists?? If pakistan today cannot control terrorists, its a separate issue but terrorist are here becuase of US. US created terrorist militants and when US does not need them and rather these militants are trying to work against US, US is killing them and pakistan is being impacted again becuase of US war on terror.
How can you deny that US has created terrorists who are living in afganistan and pakistan??? These terrorists are a US creation and you cannot blame only pakistan’s weakenesses for these terrorists. These are two separate facts but these have interrelated impacts on pakistan and then india.
Its not logical that you say that pakistan created al qaeda… pakistan created LeT, its also behaind 26/11, and its weaker compared to indian govt, which may be true to some extent, but give me answer to just one question.. If india had neighboured afganistan, then how on earth you can surely say that india will not be facing the same problems which pakistan is facing today?? In that case, US would have in same way entered india and would have made alliances with india and india would have had the same problems.
All other issues have evolved out of the US creation of militants in the region. Think over it.. Pakistan’s government, howeevr weak it may be, is not fully responsible for all the today’s problems.
November 30th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Simon, your note makes complete sense. One undeniable fact is that India is safer because it does not share its geography with Afghanistan.
Rajiv, I was not able to figure out your reply to me. Apologies if I have hurt sentiments, but my opinion was a result of months of research of the situation being faced in our continent especially India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Afghanistan. Again, I don’t mean to hurt anyone but really hope that this blog is productive enought to opens the eyes of the current generation in both countries, leading to positive effects.
November 30th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
@Aarif: You should get your brain checked as well.
November 30th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Hi Simon some of your points are valid but Every time India trying to show god gesture Pakistan backstabbed be it Agra summit,or train to Pakistan.Indian channel invited Pakistan singers to take part in the saregama competition , Pakistan comedians also given chances here but India always awarded with big blood sheds,if india wanted then soldiers can cross border in Kargil war but Vajpeyee ordered soldiers not to do this.But what Musaraf did .Even Nawaj Sarif publicly admitted it.
Everytime Pkaisan /Indian public tried to settle with peace and harmony but ISI chief and Pak military chiefs did some wrong thing.I was watching a tv coverage where some border pakistani villagers thnaking Indian doctors for good treatment and artificial limbs.They dont want this bloody war then why the leaders.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Well Mr Malick you have to answer just five questions and after justifying these questions i will go with you.
1. Do you know how many people in india died daily due to poverty?
(Mumbai attacks are once in a life but people from india are still died due to poverty but indian media is busy according to the pre_planned lobby that is against pakistan)
2.Do you know how many orgonizations are there in india on the name of islam,hinduism,etc?
(we never ever blame on india 4 that is happing in pakistan)
3.Do you know what evidence india provide pakistan to arrest hafiz saeed ?
4.Do you know what is happing in kashmir?
(can you count the number of rapes of muslim women in kashmir and they are raped by bluddy indiam army)
5.Do you know who is supporting the terrarist of pakistan in balochistan?
November 30th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
You should worry about your slumdog country india. Sooner rather than later it will going to be the part of PAKISTAN.@Vishal:
November 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
@RANA NASIR AYUB: take a Visa and vist Indian part of Kashmir …. that will shut your mouth up forever !
People are dying in america due to poverty and health also, no country is so developed that 100% of its population is above poverty line and “No one dies”.
You mean to say that death due to poverty is your “best selling point” and gives you bloody pakis right to kill anyone around world. By that logic, then anyone can kill anyone as one has to die one day or other. This is the typical mentality of Paki which is threat to world and Islam.
I know what is going in Kashmir part of India. Probably you are referring to Paki part of Kashmir.
We will be happy to support our government (fyi: we have democratic govt) if brining down paki terrorist structure means breaking it into pieces.
Problem is you guys don’t know what is democracy and think our country also runs in same fashion as your dictator ruled country !
In past 63 years of so called hypothetical independence you Pakis .. ask your self where is your economy without aid from america and weapons from China? Ask yourself, you guys talk of rights to kashmiri’s … for how many years was pakistan under democratic rule??
People who were ruled by dictators for their entire lifetime should not talk of democracy to a country who knows and practice democracy.
Its like a janitor telling a surgeon how to do heart by pass surgery…
gosh … read your comments and whole world will laugh at pakis telling india about democracy … rolf ..
now, before i close, come to indian part of kashmir. Things are not the way your media projects. I remember few months back, there was military operations in Kashmir to kill terrorist who had hostage innocent civilians. I was watching event on BBC and Paki national TV. BBC showed complete interview with hostages in which they described how they were made hostage by paki terrorists and how indian army killed the terrorist. They also showed I cards of killed paki terrorists. When I switched to Paki TV, they had muted the interview and put their own titles and anchor said that “this how indian army is killing people in Kashmir” … with photos of killed terrorist as Indian kashmiri’s and they muted the interview ! What a shameful role of your media !!
November 30th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
@Nauman: Do you have access to internet and a world news channel? Buddy ice age is over come out of your cave and see !
you dont world read news then you do not qualify to write in this forum. just reading your daily local or gossips from your household women does not make a count of your opinion.
Whole world including paki govt. agreed that mumbai terrorists were pakis and now they are denying that state has any role / hand in same.
how shameless for a govt like paki.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
forget whether the terrorist act was formulated in Pakistan or not. . can everyone atleast condone the killing of innocents. . whoever was the cause is irrelevant. . please do not propagate hatred. . People killed in Mumbai – WRONG. . people killed in Karachi – WRONG . . People killed in gujarat – WRONG . . women raped in Kashmir – WRONG . . are we atleast on the same page so far . . Please tell me all this is wrong. . whichever side of the border u reside. . @RANA NASIR AYUB: @RANA NASIR AYUB:
November 30th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
You people are pathetic !
November 30th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
India and Pakistan .. Both are under ONE person’s rule .. i dont know who that person or party is .. BUT its quite a simple example of DIVIDE AND RULE … which his conducted by people who used to rule these lands and still do .. the only difference is that now they have Our people to do it for them … while they sit at home.
ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Pakistan v/s India debate can always go on… Truth is that selfish people and their political interests have separated us across the borders for decades while are roots are the same.
Fact is that if India and Pakistan join hands under the banner of S.Asia along with other S.Asian countries then China, US, Russia etc would be puny countries.
Religion and nationalism are different concepts and whenever they have been mixed then the outcome has been sorrowful. Lives of innocent people have been lost for 6 decades and this must be condoned no matter what their nationality.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
No need to discuss, Kill All Indians, Nuke-bomb India. Then Kill All Pakistani’s and Nuke Pakistan too. Then lease these lands of whole nations to China for setting up plastic-toy-factories so that they can kill children of all nations by making poisonous plastic ducklings.
In the mean time US will try to find life on some other planet so that such thrilling sport of killing may continue forever once all life has been eradicated from this filthy useless planet called earth.
WE ARE MIGHTY SLAYERS! WE CAN NOT BE STOPPED AND WE WILL NOT STOP, BECAUSE WE CAN NOT STOP THATS’S BECAUSE WE DO NOT KNOW WHY TO STOP JUST LIKE WE DON’T KNOW WHY WE STARTED IN FIRST PLACE!
DIE INDIANS DIE PAKISTANIS DIE WHOLE WORLD, FOR WE WILL TAKE OUR WARS TO THE PLANTS THEN WHO HAVE CAPTURED OUR NATION, THEN WE WILL KILL WATER AND AIR TOO, FLY FLAMINGOS FLY, YOU MAY CRY WHEN YOU FLY BUT ULTIMATELY WILL HAVE TO DIE.
DIE DIE DIE!
BTW, I am NOT INDIAN, I am NOT PAKISTANI, I am just a representative of those who don’t have neither brains nor heart, we just have a sword and we seek and live on blood, we are the viruses that even almighty god has run off from, but in the end, WE ARE DETERMINED TO SHOW HIM THAT HE HAS COMMITTED A CRIME BY CREATING US, AND WE WILL PUNISH HIM FOR GIVING US LIFE, WE ARE DETERMINED TO KILL GOD IN EVER HEART/SOUL/MANNER! We are DEVILS, and we DWELL WITHIN YOU!
GO RUN!
December 1st, 2009 at 12:49 am
@Farhana Ali:
salam dear farhan
so you are justifying their act ??
can you tell where it is written to kill any cilivion
( in koran or in any hadis)
please comment
ur_saajan@yahoo.com
December 1st, 2009 at 1:06 am
Ibrahim Sajid Malick ji,
you seemed boozed by some Indian thara or stoned from some Afghan hash, before writing these lines or must be living in India somewhere?
Did you see any apology for the Indians after the killings of Muslims in Gujrat?
After the demolition of Babri mosque?
After raping the sisters in Indian-held Kashmir by the Indian wolves?
After killing 2000 Gazans (Women, children) for 13 Zionsists?
After finding the mass-graves of Bosnians?
Indian army chief is taking about limited nuclear war and the traitors like you are playing the flute of peace??
I’ve very some good names for you, Mir Saadiq, Mir Jaffar of this age, whatever you prefer?
I feel ashamed when I look at Muslims like Shiekhs in Middle East, Arab world. leaders like Zardari and people like you.
Imran Schah
December 1st, 2009 at 1:40 am
Now that .. its all enough for India. We really want to eliminate terrorism. Many statesmen of india are thinking for its elimination in order to form a better and peaceful india through a movement called Hindustan Rakshak. Be part of it !
December 1st, 2009 at 2:45 am
I think the whole root of the problem is the constant propaganda by some elements of ISI and may be some in pak military. They r constantly feeding ppl in pakistan with lies abt Indian hand in ballochistan and taliban and what not. I mean everything that goes wrong must have an Indian hand and whenever India captures somebody or some arms that came from pakistan they also promptly made up things and show to right wing websites and media in pakistan. The effect of this is even those who are sane and dont want violence in pakistan start to believe well its done by india too so its is a good thing that we are replying to them.
That few elements of IsI and pak military are so successful in this propaganda that even pak goverment starts believing their lies. I will believe when a third party media of any other country report that India has anything to do with balochistan or taliban. Do u really think Us woldnt do anything if we support taliban or it wont be reported in international media, not even in china? The fact is we wud gain nothing in doing mischief in pakistand and Indian leaders know it. We r right now obssessed with growing fast and becoming better developed successful country. what will we get out of supporitng taliban or baloch issue. and really do u think taliban wud not tell the world that we r doing this. i mean come on.
Regarding the communal riots that happened in india, everybody here says that it was the most unfortunate thing and our ppl has time and again chosen the most tolerant government. How can u make it an excuse to spread covert terrrorism in india. In that way u can say there was recently attacks on christians in pakistan that had come into news and there were some riots so does that mean all “christian nations” should attack u bcoz of that. its nuts. every country has problem with some fundamentalism like KKK or Ariean brotherhood in USA but the differnce with pakistan is public at large dont support such ultra right wing parties and factions and certainly not the intelligence agency or military of the government. enough said.
December 1st, 2009 at 3:02 am
Come on ppl of pakistan wake up. stop believing in the lies and propaganda of few ppl within ISI. We gain nothing in creating problem in balochistan and certainly lose a hell of a lot in supporting taliban who hate india more than pakistan. ITs absurd to believe that we support taliban just like saying indian government itself did 26/11. Stop believing in lies and be honest with urself. Even u know the truth. At least if u dont believe us believe in the world media. if any other country’s media says that we have anything to do there i wud be the first one to stand with u in protest. Why wud we do such a stupid thing. think abt it.
December 1st, 2009 at 5:42 am
Shame on you Mr. Malick . You should be banned by the government to enter in pakistan for ever and govt of pakistan and supreme court should take an ordinance for you i.e” Hang till daeth”. Because of u people we are called terrorists. India is spreading terrorist in all islamic countries. Now lets come to topic whichj u were discussing. That incident was done by indian governemnt just to strablized their government and win next election because they were failed to satisfy their people. Who was ajmal kisab
you know the person had no identity in pakistan, later on his parents shown on media was not his real they were bribed. India themselves blasted in Mumbai and then had propgenda so that their foolish and emotional people could vote them for their next election. And you people made pakistan embraced in all over the world.
Please understand and then post your topic next time.
December 1st, 2009 at 5:54 am
I am an Indian and I don’t think there is any need for apology from any Paki because they don’t need to apologize for the misdeed of a few.
No country is the best just because you are born in it. No religion is the best just because you practice it. The sooner people understand that there can be two truths at the same time, the roadway towards peace will be faster.
Having said that, don’t think of our unwillingness to fight a war as our fear/weakness. Every time you come looking for blood, we’ll make sure you get them…just the way in ‘65, ‘71 and ‘99.
December 1st, 2009 at 5:58 am
Hi,
I am God. God of all the people who worship their own Gods. I am God of your Gods. So listen to me carefully. When i created this world, i thought i would make you all worship me. But then when i imagined what would be like if there was a single religion, i thougt of the following:
1. it would be so boring. everybody would be doing practically the same thing at every hour of the day, every month of the year..
2. you would all be making babies with anyone on the planet
3. you would all be flocking to the same place to worship (in that case, i would have kept it on north pole)
4. you would all speak the same language, make same type of music, do the same dance.
Arrggghhh!!! That would have been the worst mistake of my life if i did that. Phew..
You getting the visuals ehh!!
I will keep posting if i feel like. i want to tell u guys what happened next.
The God.
December 1st, 2009 at 6:20 am
u all ppl sux………..ual r bloody idiots ual r discussing all shit d nly thng is tht indian ppl died …..ppl lost thier lyf 4 no reason so **** pakistan should apologise 4 it..wats d need who did??4 wat??frgt d shit.dey should apologise!!!
December 1st, 2009 at 6:39 am
@ronak: u r mad.. u shd apologize for your stupid comments to everyone who has posted comments on this forum..
December 1st, 2009 at 6:42 am
Hi,
They say that one country’s Terrorist is another country’s freedom fighter….
What kind of freedom fighter would not feel wrong in killing people he didn’t knew before he held them for hostage….What kind of a freedom fighter would kill a person he barely knows and kill him just to increase the casualty count to spread fear….and what freedom is he fighting for….I’m sure the very people for whom these ” Freedom Fighters” are fighting ( killing ) would condemn such acts if they knew about it….Because what these men do is against the basic law of humanity …The law that differentiates us from animals…To live in harmony….and PEACE…..
I’m a proud Indian and I meet a number of proud Pakistanis on my business trips and all of them say the same thing….That they dont like how the world treats them when they hear their name and nationality…..Pakistan is one of the most beautiful countries in the world…but not many people know about it….WHY ?????? Coz they are afraid to explore it….I wanted to import from Pakistan but couldn’t do it becuase there was a ban after the Mumbai terror attack….
A nation’s development doesnt depend on the surface area of the country but the focus of its people….and I meet such brilliant minds of Pakistan who are so enthusiastic about exploring the world and earn their daily bread for their families but they are refused for VISAS….Who is suffering ??? Is it just the Pakistani people ?? NO…its the entire world who is still alien to the beautiful and rich culture that only people like you and me in India and Pakistan have preserved….Think about how much revenue Pakistan can generate from Tourism if these attacks are checked …..
I know so many Muslims and I found not much difference between the basic habbit pattern and culture so I fail to understand that the differences between our two great nations can arise on the grounds of religion….
I would love to meet people of Pakistan and know about their religion and their likes and dislikes…I would love to come to Pakistan on a holiday with my Family….But probably I’ll have to wait for these dark clouds of fear and Terror to fade away ….I’ll pray for the day to come soon….when people of originally the same nation can meet again and rejoice over the stories of how TOGETHER we kicked some asses in 1947…..
My regards and best wishes to your family…
Rahul
December 1st, 2009 at 6:51 am
@Haider:
@ Haider
Even if muslims in India have a literacy rate of 60% (which is lowest according to you) even then this 60% is greater than that in Pakistan
December 1st, 2009 at 7:26 am
Reading the comments on this page make me want to puke. What has this world come to!
December 1st, 2009 at 8:58 am
What happened was terrible. it should not have happened. No human in their right mind would want this. Those who kill in the name of Islam are NOT Muslims. And please remember that NOT ALL INDIANS HATE PAKISTANIS AND NOT ALL PAKISTANIS HATE INDIANS. Many of us have dear friends in India who are not Muslims. Our religion (Islam) and their religion (Hinduism) both stem from one concept: PEACE!
Bottom-line is we need to stop these mischief makers in the middle that don’t want us neighbors to ever be friends. Killing anyone unjustly is a crime.. hindu, jew, muslim, christian and the rest. Killing is no ticket to heaven (or a better place)…
To begin with this blame game needs to stop. We need to fight the common enemy of humanity together as a race not as individual nationalities.
Please stop arguing and hating each other. That is not what our religion teaches us (Hinduism or Islam)
December 1st, 2009 at 10:04 am
@faisal: Mr. Malick has done gr8 effort in showing the right picture and the pakistan govt and army should come in open and accept the mistakes and ghory acts done by them within there own country and ours too.. war will do no good anyone and specially to pakistan which has a lot of problems already in his pocket…
December 1st, 2009 at 10:44 am
PEACE!
December 1st, 2009 at 10:54 am
“”Waraich Says:
December 1st, 2009 at 6:51 am
@Haider:
@ Haider
Even if muslims in India have a literacy rate of 60% (which is lowest according to you) even then this 60% is greater than that in Pakistan”"
Mr Warraich,
I dont see any point here, india is a better country then pakistan in terms of development, GDP and literacy rate and has a much sound educational system then pakistan. But its suspicious why indian muslims have always lagged behind all other religious groups in terms of literacy rate in India, from right after indo pak partition.. I dont think thats such a coverable fact and it should be discussed openly in a democracy like india, if it really is a democracy; or its only democratic jewel is that indian people keep on voting for the most moderate party out of the india extremist parties… This thing that muslims lag behind in india, hurts indian democractic sense; …
PAKISTAN NEVER CLAIMS TO BE A SECULAR STATE, BUT INDIA DOES SO…
PAKISTAN NEVER CLAIMS TO BE WORLD’S LARGEST DEMOCRACY, BUT INDIA DOES SO..
Indian government and its leadership should answer why muslims have been ignored in India right from 1947. Indians can only express their sentiments in this regard; but its the hindus extremist political think tank that has been a part and parcel of indian secular decision making since 1947 and it is showing…
December 1st, 2009 at 11:57 am
stolid Indian Muslim, a few words for you
Mullah ko jo hai Hind main sajdey ki ijazat,
Nadan ye samjhta hai kay Islam hai azaad
(Dr. Allama Iqbal)
December 1st, 2009 at 11:59 am
I’m waiting for the day when the Indians will say
” we were not procreated by our fathers but might be ISI”?
December 1st, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Why should we apologies? India did it itself to make Pakistan look bad. India should apologies to us for being an ass hole.
December 1st, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Aisa karo mere Pakistan ke bhaiyo .. saare jahan ko islamic bana do.. kyunki islam ko manane wale to duniya ke har kone mein hai..
fir sirf india hi kyun??
Kaho ki America mein bhi shariyat lagoo kar do… ??
Har aadmi ki tamana hoti hai upar uthne ki .. lekin koi kisi community mein paida hone se sabse upar uth gaya ho, aisa sochna hi block minded hone ki nishaani hai…
apne religion ko sabse upar manana accha hai lekin dusre ko neecha manana.. theek nahi hai …
December 1st, 2009 at 1:43 pm
@baba … kisi ko ass hole bolne se pahle khud ki ass sambhal lo..
December 1st, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Whenever i see some rubbish topic, its always on this rubbish blog. The author is most probably a paid agent of anti-Pakistan organizations. Coming to the rubbish topic, we the Pakistanis have nothing to apologize the Hindus about anything because WE didnt commit that terrorism neither we are responsible for it in any way. It was just a setup by Indians themselves to blame Pakistan. Indian extremists were involved in it and thats the end of it. Its the Indians that should apologize for all the terrorist activities they commit in Pakistan and for all the atrocities they commit in their country against Muslims.
December 1st, 2009 at 6:23 pm
@Masroor: well said sir..and i duely agree Mr. malik has nothing to say sorry about coz the deeds are of some inhumane individuals..but we too here in India are sorry for the causes u suffer..
December 1st, 2009 at 7:05 pm
U PAKISTANI FIRST CAME MUMBIA AND DID THIS HEANEOUS ACT U WILL GET WHAT U HAVE DONE U JUST WAIT AND WATCH YOURS KASAB WILL BE **** NICELY
December 1st, 2009 at 7:44 pm
@A Proud Pakistani: Hi Pakistani’s..
The actual fight between us is Kashmir…You all are screaming about India killing their own citizens in Kashmir, either you are illiterate or blind folded by your country media.
Lets go back to 1947 when the Kashmir’s king was asked for his choice to choose a side when the country was cunningly divided by Brits.. He took a neutral stand and it was not us who attacked Kashmir but it was Pakistan who attacked them and then the maharaja of Kashmir asked for our help. I am not sure whether you know it or not if it would had not been Jawaharlal Nehru the Indian Army would had drawn a proper line to Kashmir, but he said ‘let it be as we have retained peace in Kashmir our mission is complete’.
The best thing a human can do self defence, lekin aese nahin ki dusro ko gandu samajh baheto..
Poeple calling ‘Hindu Bania’…I don’t how much informed you are about relegions, but for your information every human being is born as a Hindu as in both Islam and Christianity you all have to get baptised is some way but we don’t have to, keep that in mind(got some doubt..go check it urself)
In this Blog replies each every Pakistani sound like kinder-garden kids ‘na we dint do it’ and while saying so you all are throwing your hands and legs as the kids do..lekin isse kuch hasil nahin hoga mere yar..
Kabhi thande dimag se puchna ‘ki ye kya ho raha hain?’…’Kya ye hum do country kelie thik ho raha hain?’..coz if we want we can be at the top of the world…but there are few third parties who is still keeping the fight on…
Acha chalo 1sec ke lie man lete hain ki ye attack india ne khud karwya hain..
tell me wat about those LET occupied Pakistan..Wat about the attacks happenin in pakistan which ur media is screamin to say is a hand of LET.. Abh to ap lok kaho ge we are helpin them or we created them…
Guys be sensible they were a weapon created by ISI which is now over powering their creator and that’s very natural.
You best friend America has now turned their back and asked for some action against terrorism coz otherwise they will do so.. Do you think they are stupid or their intelligence agencies are stupid?
Bewakufo hum log apne mein larte rahenge aur baki countries aga nikal jayenge..Bhai mere jag jao aur apne country ke authority to challenge karna suru karo..coz we are doing so when we find something wrong or illogical..this not somethin bad but sensible.
Bas itna hi khawab hain ki Apne dada jise jo kisse sunte the hindu-muslim bhaichara ya Lahore Amritsar jane wali trai ke, woh kabhi firse dikhae de within our life span !!!
December 1st, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Hi everyone im from Ivory Coast and im study in India….my country have seen war and i dont wish it for anybody in the world… i just read most of the replies and im shock… you people are still blaming each other ??? By the time you do that more terrorists are being trained ! Better to find a solution rather than trying to put the blame on the others ! Innocents people die all over the world because of terrorism and what we do ? Just leaving a comment on a blog and how many of us still remember it the next day ?? What our governments have always done is to fight what is already there ! the man who killed people a year ago and died in the attack is not the same guy who will strike tomorrow ! What can a terrorist tell to a child to make him a terrorist ?? where all that start and what is the real cause ?? That should be how daily questions !! ATOP THINKING AS A PAKISTANI OR AN INDIA !! THINK AS A HUMAN !! Lets find the real reason of this phenomena and and it at its base because what we see is like an iceberg … the big part is in the water… Please people lets think a moment or that will never end….
December 1st, 2009 at 8:00 pm
you really need to know the history..and history never dies ma friend..
But really appreciate your thought..!!
December 1st, 2009 at 8:18 pm
@Vinil:
@Indian: Please be more intelligent…Even Indian fight and all the time ! Try to find a solution either than puttig more oil in the fire…please you dont know what is war !!!@Hamood ur Rehman Khan: @Hamood ur Rehman Khan:
you dont know what a government can do ….
December 1st, 2009 at 8:25 pm
@INDIAN:
man…please use your brain !! Remember USA in Vietnam ?? did they win the war ??? And im sorry but… India have its own sins and lot of shamefully problems to resolve!! Stop setting oil on the fire ! there is no war and if there is you don’t know how that will end…May be you will die first… Be a man of peace that will help you in your daily life!!
December 1st, 2009 at 8:26 pm
hi i m saying sorry to india for their lost in 26-11 incident
December 1st, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Mr Malick i really appreciate what you have done … no matter what happen you still apologize…thats a true mind … blaming each other wont stop that hatred … We should be always the first one to apologize even if we are right or wrong just for the sake of peace… and what it cost to apologize ?
December 1st, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Mere Pakstani bhaio just for your information India is one of those countries which doesn’t have a specific Dharam! Do you know wat is all this doing to the Muslim community in India? Either they are going the wrong way or almost every muslim fella is looked at as if they are terrorist..
Even if all the terrorism in this world is all about Islam but still at almost at all international airports you we Indians(doesn’t matter whether we are Hindu or Muslim) are asked to step aside.
At an airport in UK me n 3 other friends of mine were asked to open our shoes,socks and even our belts n jackets…Trust I felt so bad as if I was stripped in front of rest of eh passengers..this is not right.!!
So please dont say that we don’t have to pay the price..Coz I did even being a Hindu..!!
December 1st, 2009 at 9:37 pm
u man wat do u think of ur self???? pakistan is only not great…. i m n indian bt i dnt hate pakistan….. why fight and create destruction when we all live in the same world….. instead of fighting amongst ourselves why not unite and give a very good lesson to those Britishers??? who tourchered our ancesters, treated them like dogs n introduced the divide n rule policy due to which we indians n pakistanis r still fighting….@faisal:
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:19 am
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pakistan-has-more-nuclear-weapons-than-india-report/543194/
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:14 am
@Awry: dun want to dive deep into the crap thts going on over here but just to correct u muslims also dont need something like a baptism or a certificate of merit from a mullah to be a muslim
peace
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:05 am
Media is a crime in it self, if it presented a good thing in a bad manner………..all viewers start hating that thing…………and if a bad thing is presented in a charming way…..ppl just love it !!!!!
Damn Media !!!!
those who have EYES watch the band on the wrist of a guy holding a machine gun……….it is a Hindu Custom not of the Muslims,
Those Bastards were Hindus !!!!!!!
U bloody moron !!!!!!!!!
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:39 am
THAT BAND U SO MOCKISHLY CALL A ” HINDU CUSTOM ” IS A WRIST BAND DAMMIT.! !TERRORIST WERE WEARIN WRIST BANDS….
..IF U DONT KNO WAT THAT IS… FOLLOW TH LINK BELOWW… C WAT BAND I M TALKIN ABOUT…”
http://images.google.co.in/images?rlz=1C1GGLS_enIN332IN333&sourceid=chrome&q=livestrong&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi
AND FOR GOD’S SAKE
INDIA HAS COUNTLES… AND I MEAN COUNTLESS PROFF THAT THOSE BASTARDS HU CAUSED 26/11 WERE PAKISTANIS..! !EVERY COUNTRY XCEPT PAKISTAN IS READY TO ACCEPT THAT..! !AND PAKISTANIS R FOOLING THEIR OWN PPL THAT IT WAS INDIA HU KILLED 174 OF THEIR OWN PPL… HOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW RIDICULUS! ! !
i mean i cant even laugh at hw ridiculus ths can go in pakistan!
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:19 pm
10 people against the whole CITY !!!! tell me Indians aren’t in on it … This my friends is what seems to be RIDICULOUS …
10 young boys .. against a full fledge MUMBAI POLICE FORCE .. atleast thousands of them .. the whole thing went on for days … WHAT WERE INDIAN AUTHORITIES DOING?
no need to laugh brother .. just use some common sense…… please….
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:44 pm
What a stress buster man.. just reading the comments cracks me up. Here is a tragic situation – a crime against humanity; and a blogger with courage to share the pain with those who lost their dear ones; and finally a bunch of people spewing profanities for no real reason. What joke guys..keep it up.
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:22 pm
@Farrukh Are you out of you mind…
Have you seen anybody killing their own people to just blame others ??
It is something like I cut my hands and say that the other person has cutted it. This is utter foolishness and nothing more…
It seems you have accepted deeply that Pakistan govt has done all the blasting in Pakistan and if Pakistan govt can do it why not Indian Govt.
But Boss, Indian govt can have greedy person but they are no blood thirsty like your ISI…. Believe me open your eyes now or you will be heart struck if anyday the reality will be shown to the whole world. Think Rationally and reasonably. just blabbing wont help …
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Another Pakistani here to apologize to the victims of Mumbai. I am sorry that uneducated and poor men of my country were fooled into killing people in Mumbai.
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:07 pm
islam does not allow killing of innocent.simple is that.
but i wannna know from my indian fellows that u always blame ISI for anything happened in india.ok accepted.but yar what RAW IS DOING?FOR WHAT PURPOSE RAW IS MADE?IS RAW MADE 4 SOCIAL WELFARE OF THE WORLD?OR IT IS A WELFARE INSTITUTION?
no buddy raw will do anything which suits indian intrest snd it should do sowe r here talking about morality and humanity…etc.yar these secret egencies of the world including raw and isi not follow any code of morality.
my simple and humble opinion is that by the war game between isi and raw who r the victims??????of course a common man of pakistan and india.
and i also believe that we should not blame raw and isi because they r made for it what they r doing.they r not made for welfare.
WHAT IS UR SAY ON IT?
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:13 pm
You are incorrect completely. The Mumbai attacks were self created by India just as the World Trade Centre was self created by USA. These attacks were created to give a pretext for war. Shortly after the Mumbai attacks, the Indian Navy was in all its force in the Indian Ocean, 1 day from Karachi and Gawader, while the USA navy (6th or 7th fleet, I cant remember) was in Mogadishu, 2 days from Pakistan. Both were intent on taking over Gawader. Only the interference of the Chinese drove them away. The Chinese parked their ships with 600 marines in Gawader to persuade them to go away.
Dont believe everything you see or read. Try to read between the lines.
So NO APPOLOGIES to any Indians from THIS Pakistani. Go F—- yourselves. You will never have Pakistan. We will fight to our last breath because we die and go to heaven, YOU on the other hand, come back as a cockaroach!
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:19 pm
islam does not allow killing of innocent.simple is that.
but i wannna know from my indian fellows that u always blame ISI for anything happened in india.ok accepted.but yar what RAW IS DOING?FOR WHAT PURPOSE RAW IS MADE?IS RAW MADE 4 SOCIAL WELFARE OF THE WORLD?OR IT IS A WELFARE INSTITUTION?
no buddy raw will do anything which suits indian intrest and it should do so.we r here talking about morality and humanity…etc.yar these secret egencies of the world including raw and isi not follow any code of morality.
my simple and humble opinion is that by the war game between isi and raw who r the victims??????of course a common man of pakistan and india.
and i also believe that we should not blame raw and isi because they r made for it what they r doing.they r not made for welfare.
WHAT IS UR SAY ON IT?
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:54 am
Dear All, I am a Muslim and proud to be a Pakistani. First of all I deny allegation of one of Indian friend that in Pakistan women are captive. Believe me in our country women are respectable. I belong to Frontier province and I feel more respect to my mother, sister, wife and other women of the society. Regarding 26/11, we all condemn it but we Pakistani expect from Indian neighbors not to blame us for their problems without proof. Mr.Malik if you are a true Pakistani then do not bow your head down just for propaganda. Every person should respect its neighbors, as India is our neighbor so we have to respect it and it should also respect us. Being A Pakistani, it is my confirm belief that God willing Pakistan will be more stable with the passage of time. Long Live Pakistan.
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:59 pm
TO IDIOT INDIAN PEOPLE::
It seems like you indians still cant swallow the creation of Pakistan… You are just jealous people… I remember the delegation of an indian students who came to Pakistan we had a dinner in Islamabad Club with them… They were stinking like hell and they were so confused in front of us… You ask us about our problems in Pakistan those students when theysaw our living standard they were shocked and some of them had later lunch at my place, their comments was that we Paki peoples have houses like palace… So dont you dare to ask us about our financial problems we live a much more better life than you… You are still hoping for union of Pakistan and india (akhand bharat…hahahah)… you are just going to dream about it cuz we are not going to let that happen… We are not still going to face such kinda condition for 63 more years…
TO MY ALL PAKISTANI BROTHERS::
Hey brothers these people are playing their cards… Their can never be peace between hindus and muslims there ar history pages full of proof… They are selfish peopl. They are not even honest with their own people how can they be friends of us. We all know know what they did to their best friend LORD MOUNT BATTEN in 1948. They kicked him out after taking their means. So just dont listen to these folks they have gone mad cuz of us. They think that they can create a situation like 9/11 but they should know that they are not America-the super power… They are stone worshiper hindus and our land is not Afghanistan or Iraq its PAKISTAN we can make india as well as america dance if we want to… They cant even beat our PATHANS… Just coward people think that they can bow us in front of them by these kinda blogs and forums…
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:08 pm
AND IN PAKI PEAOPLE SPELL MALIK AS MALIK NOT MALICK;)
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:16 pm
@Awry: well done dude… same job every indian doing…hahahhhahaha… All blame to ISI and PAKISTAN… Jago bhaiyo tum log jago we are not fools key tum humien parha rhy ho… indian person is asking us to stand against our leaders Go ff yourself… who are you to tell us what should we do… actually tumhari RAW marti hai or humari ISI b tumhari hi marti hai is lye humien na parhao apna khyal karo;)
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:25 pm
@Sachin: You better watch out if those men were really Pakistani so 10 people cant be controlled by your whole mumbai police and army what if we sent a 100 men to your country… They will screw you… So you better pray for yourself kyun k hum Pakistani log bary ajeeb hien pyar se baat krty hien to boht pyary lagty hien lakin zara sa demag ghuma na to sambhaly nai jaty;)
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:44 pm
@Indian lover: Do you think you have proper medical facilities…hhahahaha wot a joke man go and check you hospitals and your technology go check your slums…
dont you think you are over-estimating yourself… you cant compare yourself with china or USA those are really developed countries and you indian people still use to sleep at platforms and roads etc(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_r4VF2FRbk)watch it…atleast you will know your country:)
Ahhh and india muslims http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRGTlIdNLB0 this is what you do to them…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJApwLrEOr0 this is Our standard of living and true Pakistan
ALLAH bless you
December 3rd, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Indians as usual in their cow’s piss drinking and bathing in river, stone worshipping, baby-girl murdering and selling them to older aged baniyas – underdeveloped full of shitty poverty nation! most of you represent 10% of those Indians (who live mostly in cities and are found in middle-and upper class) WHO YOU TRY TO DEPICT IN MOVIES mOSTLY MADE ABROAD
before you bark about in-surgency – see what the hell you are doing with Maoists and other States.
Some evidence for the involvement of Indians in Balauchistan, FATA
and SWAT is follows;
India involved in Balochistan, Fata unrest: FO
Thursday, 03 Dec, 2009
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Foreign Office spokesman Abdul Basit. — AFP Photo
Pakistan
No concession for India in transit trade accord: FO
No concession for India in transit trade accord: FO
ISLAMABAD: Foreign Office spokesperson Abdul Basit on Thursday said
Indian elements remain present in Balochistan and Fata.
Basit said the interior ministry had evidence to prove the presence
and will make a sovereign decision of who to share it with.
He said India had not requested for the evidence as yet and added
that such a highly sensitive issue would not be conducted through
the media.
India’s demands regarding the Mumbai attacks before returning to
the negotiating table are untenable as true dialogue does not come
with preconditions, Basit said.
This is a sign that India is not serious about restoring peace in
the region, he said.
The Kashmir issue’s resolution is key to peace in South Asia, he
added. — DawnNews
Tags: Abdul Basit,India in Balochistan,India in Fata,RAW
Balochistan,RAW Fata,Research and Analysis Wing
And please before making some shitty comment please – see what most of your nation is all about.
Now go and wash some of your sin with Cow’s Piss!
INDIAN MUSLIMS – KISS MY A** because you don’t know and deserve the freedom we have in Pakistan…
December 4th, 2009 at 7:44 am
@Bila: you are one of the most ignorant people here. sounds like you work for ISI Cyber Terror Unit (CTU) aka Joint Intel Technical?
December 4th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
this is for all you pakistani brothers, please stop watching PTV and focus on news in the international media… Yeah, one mre thing… India doesn’t need nukes or bombs to destroy your country… your own leaders are doing enough to take you back to stone age… I truly wish some sane people will realize this and raise their voices to force your government to look at your plight and do something good for you all in future!!! God bless us all!!!
December 5th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
@!nd!@n: Dont you dare to talk about our leaders… Ask your government to stop watching star plus cuz their foolish plans are like a soap:)… And you people dont worry about us we can take care of ourselves… No nukes or bombs can destroy us cuz WE THE PAKIS ARE THE BEST so take care of yourselves… And especially for you just do some investigation about your media and news channels
December 5th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
This blog is so full of shite
you shud close this f-ing bludy blog and go bury urself in a truck load of shit
so enuf of this bullshit and go fuk some one and get a life
u castrated dick head.
u dunno a shit abt mumbai or for that matter even common sense
so do urself a favour by killing urself and doing humanity a good by getting rid of one more useless f-ing dork who puts his toungue b4 his god-damn(a.k.a allah damn) f-ing head….
BITCHES!!!!
December 6th, 2009 at 9:18 am
@Paki you bloody pigs You dont talk about Indian technology ..what your bloody poor country can’t ever dreamt we had already..you bastards everyday you people are dying like bloody pigs with your own arms..shame on your country..we will keep on developing but you people will die thinking about our progress .Its not Only India now 80% of world’s population knows and saying that Pakistan is terrorist stan..
No need to watch our Tv channels you watch all international channels..
You bastard sons of our country..sale Pakistan ka janam Hindustan se hua hei aur ek din hindustan mein mil jayega..
Sala poor ass
December 6th, 2009 at 9:24 am
@Bila: No need to prove ..We are enjoying everything in India but you people are deprived of basic human rights- freedom, education and health
December 6th, 2009 at 11:17 am
@Ramesh: like i already said you indians are still dreaming that one day PAKISTAN will merge into india(Pakistan ka janam Hindustan se hua hei aur ek din hindustan mein mil jayega..:))… yeah we are terrorist country cuz all other countries are afraid of us…hahahha… you should admit it man dat you are afraid of us… and now about indian development you should search about Hillary Clinton’s statement about india inwhich she said that they are not concerned about india. india is based on single industry that is bollywood. PAKISTAN is important for us cuz of its geographical as well as international position in history… we all know that india is just running cuz of bollywood that consist of almost 50% of muslims so in directly and i know you are not going to admit it WE are running india;) so you should be thankful to US… yaR jis mulk ki adhi awam aj b sarkoon per or plateforms per soti hai wo development ki baatien karta hua acha nai lagta so first you actually develop your country instead of making any propaganda about your development then argue with us:)
December 7th, 2009 at 2:52 am
OPEN ASK TO INDIANS
YOU CLAIME INDIA IS THIS.INDIA IS THAT………..DEAR WHAT U HINDUS DID TO BABRI MOSQUE?WHAT HAPPEND IN GUJRAT RIOTS.?MANNY MUSLIMS SLAUGHTERD AND BURNED ALIVE?IS THIS YOUR SECULAR IS ALABOUT?
WHAT HAPPENED IN BHOPAL INCCIDENT?MORE THAN 15000 THOUSAND PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THIS BHOPAL INCCIDENT.BUT NO ONE IS STILL PUNISHED?AND U CLAIME YOU ARE FUTURE SUPER POWER.MUSLIMS ARE LIVING BETTER IN INDIA THAN IN PAKISTAN/?……………?
YOU HAVE NO ANSWER U BLOODY…………
December 7th, 2009 at 2:52 am
@Ramesh: OPEN ASK TO INDIANS
YOU CLAIME INDIA IS THIS.INDIA IS THAT………..DEAR WHAT U HINDUS DID TO BABRI MOSQUE?WHAT HAPPEND IN GUJRAT RIOTS.?MANNY MUSLIMS SLAUGHTERD AND BURNED ALIVE?IS THIS YOUR SECULAR IS ALABOUT?
WHAT HAPPENED IN BHOPAL INCCIDENT?MORE THAN 15000 THOUSAND PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THIS BHOPAL INCCIDENT.BUT NO ONE IS STILL PUNISHED?AND U CLAIME YOU ARE FUTURE SUPER POWER.MUSLIMS ARE LIVING BETTER IN INDIA THAN IN PAKISTAN/?……………?
YOU HAVE NO ANSWER U BLOODY…………
December 7th, 2009 at 9:10 am
first of all ther is a mistak ABOVE…..
wat i meant to write was
SUPPOSE 40 HINDUS HAD BURNED 400 MUSLIMS IN A TRAIN IN PAKISTAN …WAT THE MOTHERFUKING SHIT WULD HAV OCCURED IN PAKISTAN… U WUD TRIED 2 HAV KILLED EVER HINDU ON TH PLANET…
I WAS SOOOOOO ANGRY AT TH COMMENT I WROTE LIK THAT…
@PAKI: HAAHAA… IDIOT.. IF THERE IS SUMTHN WE WANT.. ITS JUS OUR LAND U R LIVING ON… THAT BELONGS 2 MY COUNTRY HU WANTS BASTARDS LIKE U IN MY COUNTRY …V HAD RATHER BURN ALL PAKIS AT STAKE.. THEY LIVE ON OUR LAND… TECHNICALLY WICH BELONGS TO HINDUSTAN AND DARE TO FIGHT WITH US…IF I HAD IT MY WAY…I WULD HAV KICKED ALL PEOPL HU WANT A SEPERATE STATE OF PAKISTAN OUT OF TH COUNTRY ITSELF…DURN 1947..(AND NOT GIVEN A PART OF MY COUNTRY 2 THEM…).. AND AS I SAD B4… STOP LUKING AT INDIA AS HINDUS AND MUSLIMS.. THEY ALL R INDIANS… FIND 1 BOLLYWOOD MUSLIM ACTOR… HU SAZ HE S NOT INDIAN… INDIAN CAN B HINDI AND MUSLIM.. IN FACT THAT IS OBVIOUS FROM COMMENTS U RECIEV FROM INDIAN MUSLIMS AND ALL…HAHAHAHA… U KNO ONLY BOLLYWOOD THATS Y U THINK THATS ALL V HAV… HUH… WAT DOES A “PATHETIC PAKISTAN KNO OF INDIA…” TELLL ME 1 PLACE WHERE U R B8R THAN US..??
NUTHN… U WILL ALL HOPEFULLY BLAST UR OWN COUNTRY… AND BELIEV ME… UR COUNTRY IS SOOOOOOOOOOO PATHETIC…I JUS FEEL BAD OF THE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA V LOST 2 IDIOTS LIK U…ODERWIS OUR COUNTRY IS B8R RIDDENS OF U…
AND IF THERE IS SUMTHN V OWN U.. ITS A FEW MISSILES DOWN UR GUTS…INDIA IS A SECULAR COUNTRY UNLIKE PAKISTAN..
=>AND FUCK UR HISTORY… UR HISTORY IS JUS MY COUNTRY’S HISTORY…U ARNT SPOSE 2 EXIST IF NOT 4 THE STUPIDITIES THAT INDIAN LEADER COMMITED DURING 1947…V SHUD HAV JUS THROWN SOME STUPID MUSLIMS LIK U OUT OF TH COUNTRY…AND HINDUS AND THE REST OF MUSLIMS WUD HAV LIVED IN PEACE,…IN A B I G G E R COUNTRY…and f pakis were that talented.. they had not b in such a pathetic shit they r in..
December 7th, 2009 at 9:20 am
first of all ther is a mistak ABOVE…..
wat i meant to write was
SUPPOSE 40 HINDUS HAD BURNED 400 MUSLIMS IN A TRAIN IN PAKISTAN …WAT WULD HAV OCCURED IN PAKISTAN… U WUD TRIED 2 HAV KILLED EVER HINDU ON TH PLANET…
I WAS SOOOOOO ANGRY AT TH COMMENT I WROTE LIK THAT…
@PAKI: HAAHAA… KISS MY A** WHILE I M PUKIN… IDIOT.. IF THERE IS SUMTHN WE feel bad abt…ITS JUS OUR LAND U R LIVING ON… THAT BELONGS 2 MY COUNTRY HU WANTS BASTARDS LIKE U IN MY COUNTRY …V HAD RATHER BURN ALL PAKIS AT STAKE.. THEY LIVE ON OUR LAND… TECHNICALLY WICH BELONGS TO HINDUSTAN AND DARE TO FIGHT WITH US…IF I HAD IT MY WAY…I WULD HAV KICKED ALL PEOPL HU WANT A SEPERATE STATE OF PAKISTAN OUT OF TH COUNTRY ITSELF…DURN 1947..(AND NOT GIVEN A PART OF MY COUNTRY 2 THEM…) AND THEN HINDUS AND THE REST OF MUSLIMS WUD HAVE LIVED PEACEFULLY…
THERE R SOME STUPID PPL HU WANTED A SEPERATE STATE OF PAKISTAN…ALL MUSMS DID NOT WANT IT .. SOM OF THEM STAYED IN INDIA AND R NOW PROSPERING… :p.. LUK AT UR SHIT.,..ITS OBVIOUS ABT UR PROSPERITY..! !.. AND AS I SAD B4… STOP LUKING AT INDIA AS HINDUS AND MUSLIMS.. THEY ALL R INDIANS… FIND 1 BOLLYWOOD MUSLIM ACTOR… HU SAZ HE S NOT INDIAN… INDIAN CAN B HINDI AND MUSLIM.. IN FACT THAT IS OBVIOUS FROM COMMENTS U RECIEV FROM INDIAN MUSLIMS AND ALL…HAHAHAHA… U KNO ONLY BOLLYWOOD THATS Y U THINK THATS ALL V HAV… HUH… WAT DOES A “PATHETIC PAKISTAN KNO OF INDIA…” TELLL ME 1 PLACE WHERE U R B8R THAN US..?? NUTHN
… U WILL ALL HOPEFULLY BLAST UR OWN COUNTRY… AND BELIEV ME… UR COUNTRY IS SOOOOOOOOOOO PATHETIC…I JUS FEEL BAD OF THE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA V LOST 2 IDIOTS LIK U…ODERWIS OUR COUNTRY IS B8R RIDDENS OF U…
AND IF THERE IS SUMTHN V OWN U.. ITS A FEW MISSILES DOWN UR GUTS…
ENDING LINE…
INDIA IS A SECULAR COUNTRY.. BOTH HINDUS AND MUSLIMS LIVEPROPERLY…
U BLOODY PAKISTANIS R ALL MUSLIMS EVEN THEN U CANT STAY PEACEFULLY EWID EACH ODER,…DATS Y UNLIKE PAKISTAN..INDIA IS PROSPERIN IN ALL WAZ..
=> UR HISTORY IS JUS MY COUNTRY’S HISTORY…U ARNT SPOSE 2 EXIST IF NOT 4 THE STUPIDITIES THAT INDIAN LEADER COMMITED DURING 1947…V SHUD HAV JUS THROWN SOME STUPID MUSLIMS LIK U OUT OF TH COUNTRY…AND HINDUS AND THE REST OF MUSLIMS WUD HAV LIVED IN PEACE,…IN A B I G G E R COUNTRY…and f pakis were that talented.. they had not b in such a pathetic shit they r in..
December 8th, 2009 at 5:05 am
I am actually very happy about the partition of 1947. otherwise these shit heads would have been born as my fellow coutry men. Thank you Maountbatten, thank you JInnah and thank you bapu(you need special mention). but unfortunately what hillary clinton says does not affetct India’s economic growth and we are the fifth largest purchasing power in the present world. Bollywood is the second biggest film industry right after Hollywood, and even Pakistans best friend wants to mend her ties with India through the BRIC summit, and now again drafting the copenhagen plan with India. USA has signed their nuke deal with us and now yesterday only even russia signed a simillar but better pact with us. Other major developing nations like the South Africa Republic and Brazil have also showed interest in working closely with India.
Last year when all other major nations of the world were hit by the recession India recorded a growth of 6.7 percent and guess what according to the recent forbes rich list India has 48 billionaires as compared to 79 from China and yet the cummulative wealth of Indian billionaires is almost double than that of China.
So to sum it up all our economic position is pretty much on your FACE.
and i feel sorry to tell you friends that India is not in a position where it can afford to be afraid of any country let alone Pakistan. I hope you remember it well that right after the 26/11 last year india was contemplating an offensive against pakistan and how the entire world had requested India to bunk this plan fear pakistans eradication from the global map.
Though I am individually not for war and dont believe that such a thing should take place at all, yet one thing that I strongly feel towards is India needs to take all the necessary steps to ensure that the let and jaishey muhhummad camps located in pakistan should be erased of all existence with immediate effect.
December 8th, 2009 at 7:12 am
@INDIAN: ahHh you would have thrown 14 crore muslims out of India… Guy you need to study history cuz Pakistan came into being in result of fair elections… the areas that contain more MUSLIMS became PAKISTAN yet cuz of your fucking leaders we couldn’t get Hyderabad and Calcutta like states which still contain more Muslims then hindus… You should be very shameful cuz of your leaders like gandhi and nehru… Those guys were fighting for freedom for about 150 years and Pakistan movement started in 1940 we achieved our goal in 7 years and you done it in 150 years… moreover after the freedom movement of 150 years your leader gandhi accepted the proposal of lord mount batten Tobe governor general of whole india in shimla conference 1947… so you should salute QUAID-e-AZAM cuz he rejected that proposal otherwise like your dreams Pakistan and india would be same country but we would still fighting for freedom…
you say that india is a secular state you give rights to each Muslims same as hindus so wots going on in KASHMIR??? Do you have an answer of BABRI MASJID INCIDENT??? Can you answer me this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRGTlIdNLB0????
or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M43GCvmmiLg&feature=response_watch???
Reply me if you can answer it… i dont want to read another bullshit…
December 8th, 2009 at 7:32 am
@Saptarshi: You just try a single war with us… WE have nuclear missiles dude its not about economy that you can win the battle… Let me tell you there are more than 53 MUSLIM COUNTRIES in this world… India is the only hindu state so if india start a war with PAKISTAN maybe Pakistan will be eredicated from global map and so India cuz it would be a nuclear war… If PAKISTAN is destroyed muslim world will have a little effect but if india is destroyed all hindus will be homeless so you know why your leaders dont like to have war with us cuz they know about nukes so you better think this way cuz WE the MUSLIMS are never afraid of death the whole world admits this fact better you should also… India is very powerful country(as you say) and if you say 26/11 was cuz of Pakistan your army cant stop our 10 men to enter bombay like place… you should be afraid of us dude… Your agency RAW tried to create a situation like 9/11 in which they failed… now your people are doing these kinda bullshits to handle it but you cant just read from top comment you will notice that WE have given you answer of each of your question and you cant answer us our single question dat is KASHMIR, BABRI MASJID INCIDENT and some of my video posts… you cant answer us how our men entered your country so easily you cant justify yourself for Kashmir can you???
December 8th, 2009 at 8:12 am
@paki
You know what u are a friend to me who just does not understand my position. It is not about Hindu muslim war and it is not about a religion being erased off. it is about the calsh between India and Pakistan.
You know what friend, try and read between the lines it seems like you dont understand that you are contradicting yourself. first you say we should be afraid of you because we could not stop ten men eneterring into Mumbai and on the other hand you have been maintaining that a handfull of Raw guys are jeopardising the entire harmony of pakistan. does your logic of a few men and a city/nation not work in this context or you preffer to be ignorant about it as that is more convinient.
As far as your claim of a 9/11 repetition is concerned i would like to tell you that your OWN GOVERNEMENT has agreed to the fact that the terrorists have used the soil of Pakistan for this. Please understand what i am trying to say, Pakistan is not India’s enemy and ideally it should not be as in my view we should concentrate on our own development rather than enmity.
However i said all those things in the context of replying to certain posts that had claimed Inida to be afraid of Pakistan and so on…….
And yes last but not the least, issues of babri masjid and Kashmir. let me deal with them one by one.
As far as Kashmir is concerned I think it does not belong to either Pakistan or India. It belongs to the kashmiri mass and i blame my government for not initiating a refferandum in the state asking for their own opinions clarifying their stand. And in case Kashmiri people claims the right to self determination, the democratic principles should be respected and Kashmir should be liberated. And if we are to blame anyone due to the crisis prevalent in Kashmir both the states of Pakistan and India are to be blamed equally. They are pulling it from both sides but the people suffering the pain of being stretched on either side is the local Kashmiri.
Now coming to the Babri Masjid Masacre, it was another black day in the history of India when the mosque was demolished, it was a clear violation of the principle of secularism that the Constitution of India stood for. But that does not mean India is abd as a whole or Hindus dont care for Muslim sentiments or even that Muslims are not safe in India. Because the Indian mass as a whole have reacted strongly against this crime. Look at the stage of BJP in the Indian polity after the Gujarat Riots. people all over the nation have voted them out of power and even the liberhan Commitee report have openly condemned the invovement of people like Advani and Vajpayee with the uprising. That goes on to show how we actually believe in Secularism.
You must get me right that I am not Anti-Pakistan or Anti-Muslim. After the demolishion of the Babri Masjid there were widespread riots all over the nation and I was a boy of five at that time. My home is in a densely muslim populated locality and on one night we actually took shelter in our neighbours house in Kolkata. I have grown up with Muslim friends and very recently I have made some Pakistani friends as well.
It is staright boss………..we should not be fighting against each other but we should be fighting jointly against the extremist groups and in this process if Pakistan denies to co-operate then they will have to face the consequences.
And we dont seriouslt dont acre about nuclear weapons because we know that you wont dare to use your nuclear power aginst us, as you are well awareof our nuclear advancements as well.
But again i would like to highlight that both India and Pakistan should try and avoid the path of war as long as possible without compromising on internal security threats.
December 9th, 2009 at 9:38 am
@paki i think you are one of the few most uneducated bloody foolish bastard of your country ..salo kitne war haroge..kutte jeisa tuim logo ki gand mar mar mar ke hindustani ne chod diya hei sal bakwash kar raha hei..you bloody pakistani already lost 4 wars if you have not read your history then go and read ..dont fool urself recent education you have already learn from Kargil you bloody moron..
Sala kisko chutia bana rahe ho
nuclear weapon ki baat kar rahe ho May be india can lost one city from your weapn but you will lost your country from world’s map.
Mond you no muslim country is fol to help you..no body will bring their demolition..What you bloody bastards could do to America and Israel who is killing lots of muslims every day.
Sala jaake chulu bhar pani mein jaa ke dub mar.
December 9th, 2009 at 9:48 am
@paki,sala bar bar Indian Muslim ko kyon Aapne taraph kinch raha he..
Those have left India is thinking now,India belong to both muslim and hindu and other religion ..so dont talk nonsense ..India is not like that bloody fool pakistan..Sala kabhi mar jayega talibani ke hato mein Jisko tumhara govt khila pila ke badhaya tha ..abhi wo sap banke tumko dasega..
ha ha ha
Kabhi India aaya hei?
Aaja yahan pe sapna dekhna chod dega ..yahan bahut paisa hei yahan ka garib bhi tumhara aamir se aache se jindegi basar kar raha hei..
Sala pl read International economy and Forbs magazine and search if there is any Pakistani’s name..
Sala tum logon ki actor/actress,comedian ,singer yahan aakar paisa kaama rahe hei bechare..
Aabe mar jaoge Bhuk se..
Kute ka life bhi India mein acha hai..
December 9th, 2009 at 11:25 am
@Saptarshi: buddy its really about hindu/muslim… cuz india was separated on the basis of two nation theory so you cant deny that its about religion… Moreover i belong to azad-kashmir and i know wot kashmiris want…
you ask me about contradictions in my comment… there i mentioned that if you really believe that 26/11 was done by Pakistani so tell me how 10 men easily entered mumbai… you have to admit this fact that those men were not from across border and if they were than your own authorities let them enter mumbai…
In reply of extremism i must say that every Muslim is an extremist but it depend upon your definition of extremism…
I just want to know how can your authorites let them enter mumbai…?
December 9th, 2009 at 11:28 am
@Youfoolishpaki: You have proved all my words correct by ur comment…huhahhaahahaha…
December 9th, 2009 at 11:35 am
@Youbloodypaki: Dont want to repeat everything… haAn galian mien tujhsy b achi de daita hoOn wo sunani hien to bta… otherwise i have posted alot of comments above which contain video evidence as well as logical evidence about your condition…
I REALLY DONT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU INDIANS ARE REPEATING SAME THING I HAVE ANSWERED BEFORE… I HAVE ASKED YOU SOME QUESTIONED ANSWER ME THOSE ONE THAN WE CAN MOVE ON TO NEXT STEP YOU JUST KEEP ON POSTING SAME BULLSHITS ABOUT NUKES, 26/11, ABUSING ETC… GUYS GROW UP
December 10th, 2009 at 1:07 am
Dude pakistani
i am sorry to myself that i wrote such a long blog wasting my time living in false hope that you might just understand the actual gravity of the crisis.
however if you want to take it as a war between hindus and muslims you may pursue it but please remember not to blame india for starting a war on religious lines because you yourself defied the call from an Indian friend to see above lines of religion and pursued the veiw point at your own will.
December 10th, 2009 at 2:02 am
@paki if you can’t understand proper english then its not my fault you better know the condition nad poverty of pakistanis and if you dont know how well Indian muslims are enjoying here then come here and stay and dont talk rubbish you poor guys ..Whole world saluting India’s progress even most of countries dont know about Pakistan’s existence and you accept it or not Nbut Pakistan is the creator of modern world’s terrorism problem..Huh..Its worthless arguing with some uneducated pakistanis.
If you have faith on us then go to international forum and ask your big brother America then come to us.
You people even can’t retain Bangladesh’s Muslims they too separated from you as your soldier raped their sisters,mothers..what r you talking now?
Every body ,every country wrong?
You only right?
Abe tu kya Galiya dega..already your people are accepting openly and asking for their country people for apology ,and are you watching TV?if eys then collect all old pres conference of your Zardari ..how he accepted Pakistani involvement and next time denied bloody liars..
December 10th, 2009 at 5:11 am
no comments for “Youbloodypaki” cuz you have done my work so no need to reply you;)… and dont worry about us the PAKISTANI nation got a lot of money and are living a very high standard lives you must come here and check out… i know what happen with indian muslims and how many rights you are giving them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRGTlIdNLB0 justify this thing…
@Saptarshi: first you are the 3rd decent guy i know who belong to india… 2nd i am not asking about a war between hindus and muslims but its a fact that both cant be friends and history is a proof to it… 3rd you have to admit it bro that RAW is behind the sucide bombing in PAKISTAN and you cant deny it logically… 4th india has occupied kashmir and till india leaves kashmir these kinda problems will be faced by india and you know that… 5th due to american forces in Afghanistan and Iraq and their plans to kill Muslims raise extremism its natural… if i kill a Muslim from other country then it will be a regional issue and if i kill a hindu of even my own country it will be a religious issue… you should ask your authorities that why they let 10 PAKISTANI enter mumbai???
guys i just want a simple answer of my simple question that if you say that 26/11 is done by PAKIS then what were your authorities doing when they entered mumbai??? i just cant figure it out that how can the defense of india was too weak that 10 terrorist entered mumbai and your authorities doesn’t even know that???
December 10th, 2009 at 6:44 am
@paki
Can you plz tell if one or two suicidal bomber or three to 4 persons can hijac your military head quarter then what you would tell about those,is your military weak..was 9/11 also artificial..if some body would want to be killed without any fear then no govt can stop it..
And for your information no person ,no state,no country never burn their home to prove some thing..if you will tell every incident to be self made..then 9/11 self made,what’s happening in israel self made,what’s going on in Pakistan everyday was self made.Ltte was self made by Sri lankan govt ..Indira gandhi,Rajib Gandhi’s assassination was self made,Benzir bhutto was killed by also your govt..
Is it a logic?
In a vast country you can’t guard every bit of land..So pl dont argue unnecessary.
December 10th, 2009 at 7:21 am
Hello mr. Malik what is your name and nationality
December 10th, 2009 at 7:28 am
i hope you are bloody CIA agent whose policy is to spoile the imege of Pakistan and Pak Army saly kanjar still India cant prove the blame of mombi terer and you desided the culpret what about Blochistan and NWFP
December 10th, 2009 at 8:35 am
@paki
You know that it is not so impossible as much you are making it sound like for 10 terrorists to sneak into any nation. However in case you really want to put that as a major point i would just like to tell you that similar things have happened elsewhere, including your country. We have already witnessed Munich olympics, 9/11, terrorist attacks on the pakistani military quarters.
just like “how did these people get into the subject country” is a question that has remained unsolved. the 26/11 is also similar.
However I am summing up a few statements Made by the Pakistan GOvernment officialy: these were pakistani citizens who hijacked a jetty from high seas and then travelled to Indian offshore on that jetty.
I am sure you know that Mumbai is a coasteal region and the rest is self explanatory.
I cant surely comment on raws involvement into what happens inside Pakistan because it is an inlligent department and the common man has no way of knowing what they do. However in cases when anybody can show to me that raw was involved i will condemn the act publicly without any fear.
one more thing is the Kashmir issue and you are not the only Kashmiri so you do not represent the collective veiw of Kashmir. Why i understand that Kashmir is still happy with India is because more than 50% of Kashmiris had turned up for our general elections this year. So that clearly goes on to show that there is a major fraction of Kashmiris who believes in Indian Democracy.
And that last thing may sound a little repetitive to you but i would seriously urge you to look at things beyond the religious line. IT is not about hindus, muslims jews christians and sikhs. If at all any country deserves liberation then it deserves on grounds of right to self determination and not any religion.
You again said that the Hindu muslim rivalry is historic but i dont see any history that testifies your statement. When the turks came to India they brought islam with them. many of the Indian origin accepted it and many resisited it. Only a section of the Indian princely States under the Rajputana had made this distinction of religious kingdoms. But that surely does not speak of Entire India. And even with time many rajput famillies also enterred into matrimonial alliances with the then mughal empire.
Why is it that a person like you cannot see the alliances but only the diferences. Why cant you show us President Kalam’s oath taking ceremony instead of the video link that you have sent. why is it that you are so prejudiced. you know what there are elements like you within the hindu society as well, and these are the people who talk about killing muslims. it is the attitude that you people have whether a hindu or a muslim.
And last but not the least, i would like to inform you that Pakistan itself is not an islamic state. Atleast it was not supposed to. The person whom you refer to as the Father of the Nation, Muhammad Ali jinnah in the very first day of Pakistan’s assembly meet said it that he visioned pakistan to be a secular country.
Now you decide. extremism is not radicalism and extremism has to be wiped out. if you are one of them even you will be wiped out some day and same goes for bajrang dal and the rss. humanity has to win at the end of the day and trust me no force is greater than the force exerted by humaine sentiments.
December 10th, 2009 at 10:57 am
@Saptarshi Thanks for your explanation.Actually I’m a lecturer in Lahore School of Economics (LSE) , Lahore.To @Paki Plz dont take me otherwise..I’ll put my neutral opinion beyond country and religion.We can’t analyse and decide which country’s intelligence is doing what,but in broad sense what I know and see is India is far more advanced than our country in terms of Industry,IT companies,Fortune 500 lists,economy etc.While all world’s economy trembled I found India’s economy sustained at its place.So we should forget all enmity and look forward to our development.By commenting each other and doing harm ,third nation like China,America is taking advantage.
Allah bless all.
No offence to anybody.
December 10th, 2009 at 11:12 am
@ Nazir
Nazir I welcome your gesture. Just imagine Only if India and Pakistan by any chance could have been together how much better it would have been for us. To Combat Economic limitations we see EU shaping up forgeting all boundaries. Imagine states like Germany, England and France being a part of the same union even though they hacve had a past written by hatred and enmity.
On a lighter note just imagine the cricket team with Sachin being the opening batsman and Shoaib Spearheading the pace department. LOL!!
On a very serious note, I seriously believe in reciprocating to each others needs at this point of time. Anyway Pakistan will be tested out of their skin in endeing the insurgency at the north west frontier and inspite of all its friends and economic growth even India cany sustain in an atmosphere with rising militancy. Militancy not just causes threat to human life and property it also effects national economies in a greatly. The best example will be Kashmir, look at the the downfall of the tourism industry in Kashmir after all these war.
Our actions dont speak in favour of imparting justice to humanity and national resources from economic point of view. look at the trade disruptions between India and Pakistan.
It is high time people follow Nazir as an example and look beyond religious and national walls for the greater good of all, for the good of mankind.
December 10th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
@Saptarshi,now some Paksitanis will start abuse Mr NAzir also like they are accusing the author.I read this Author’s all blogs every where he is abusing India .that time it was ok with pakistanis but when he realised the right thing he became Indian agent how funny.
I read one paki’s comment that our Indian student surprised to see their palace how funny ..I think we should invite that person to India if he will see our standard of living he will loose his sense i think..:)Pakistan’s national budget is equal to our Mumbai alone..and they are thinking to compete with India.Truth will always be there.If India will think to equalise with America then every body will laugh thats why if Pakistan will think to be equal with India then whole world will laugh.Dear Pakistanis before doing rubbish argument and thinking about only religion plz be serious and think about development.Otherwise your coming generation will question was there a country named as pakistan?LOL
December 11th, 2009 at 5:12 am
@answertopaki: just to set the record straight the GHQ was never hijacked, the terrorists breached the first security barrier and took civilians hostage inside a security tower in the second layer of security checks. The terrorists never entered the GHQ, they were only able to breach level one( outer check post) of security
December 11th, 2009 at 6:32 am
@Saptarshi: buddy it has been proved in two documentaries which i have watch i.e loose chain and farenhiet 9/11 so 9/11 is out of question it was really an amercan propoganda against Muslims… Dont know about Munich olypics but in attacks on Pakistani military quarters we Pakis know that some authorities were involved and we critisize our government more than anyone else but we wont let anyone else to speak about them… obviously its unlogical that some terrorist entering a country so easily without any involvement of upper class so you should also admit it that your authorities were involved in 26/11…
about kashmir its pointless to talk about we never saw a fair election in kashmir and its a fact that indian army has occupied kashmir and you know that…
about Pakistan i would like to tell you that its an Islamic state known as Islamic Republic of Pakistan… but we give equal rights to minorities cuz a good Muslim should do that as its mentioned in Quran so we have to follow it strictly…
Em not talking about killing hindus… I will sucide the day i hurt any hindu or any human being or even an animal…
finally i would like to know your definition of extremism… In my view every human is an extremist and it should be… A hindu is an extremist cuz he believe the basics of its religion, a president is an extremist cuz he protect his country anyway, a policeman is an extremist about his job… In the same way we Muslims are extremist about our religion cuz we follow it strictly…
Moreover apart of all the matters i personally believe that killing terrorists is not the way to remove terror… We should try to know the problem cuz of which they became terrorists… what you say about it me and you start try to remove it ourselves by studing their problems by trying to condemn our wrong government policies but knowing the real facts???:)
December 11th, 2009 at 6:35 am
@Nazir: Actually here we are not having discussion about economy… We are talking about Pakistan and terrorism
December 11th, 2009 at 6:49 am
@paki
i seriously dont understand your basis of arguements as they keep on changing. You form the opinion about 9/11 on two documentaries of which even i have seen one. and then when someone else criticises pakistan after forming a opinion based on another documentary made by an independent production house which has little to do with India, you defy to believe it. Can you please explain this.
you are just going on harping about India’s involvement in 26/11. I serriously dont even understand this as well. firstly pakistan has accepeted the blame officially and there is no reason why we should be blaming india for the whole of this. And even if the security lapses are to be blamed to an extent that does not make the organisation named LET any innocent or does not help pakistan shed awayits responsibilities for aiding LET providing them witha base as well.
December 11th, 2009 at 7:48 am
@Saptarshi so you should not blame Pakistan for whole thing even if it is done by LET. LET has very bad impression in pakistan and its a condemned organization so dont blame pakistan for 26/11 your government is also involved in 26/11 with LET it has nothing to do with pakistan government we didnt send them to india. How you going to feel if we put all blame of terror attacks on india. Paki stop arguing with these guys they will always blame us. What if i start a forum to blame india for the latest terror attack in rawalpindi in a mosque?
December 11th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Dear @paki plz sit for awhile and think in cool mind has any country ever kill thousands of people and destroy its own monuments or famous places to convict others?How funny logic you have ,I was studying your logics but this type of argument about 9/11 and 26/11 proves that you are a child and dont have nay common sense.Atleast you can condemn to terrorists who have done it if not Pakistan your beloved land but how funny logic you are showing each time about self involvement ..Its like burning own finger to accuse others..Huh what a shameless logic..I request everybody not to answer this funny stupid guy who dont have brain to think.
Why to bypass Nazir’s statement about economy ..its about development not like religious activity what you people always bringing to picture.
Be mature and act like mature person.
December 11th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
I am a Pakistani and a Muslim, AlhumduLillah .. terrorists have no religion .. these Terrorist ( ILLITERATE PEOPLE) are using the name of ISLAM .. where as ISLAM doesn’t support the killing of the innocents .. i feel sorry for the families who have lost their loved ones .. after all we are all human beings
my brothers, we should all sit and settle down these issues. killing and using bad words for each other isn’t the solution. All those terrorist were from pakistan .. but i personally think .. there were no government level involvement. because Pakistan it self is going through alot at the moment , so they would never want anything like that to happen specially knowing the fact that fingures will be on Pakistan
we need to go to the depths of this terrorism … terrorism in India is more likely because of occupation on India in Kashmir, where in Pakistan terrorism is because of the Talibaan’s made by CIA and ISI to fight against the Russians .. n now their own dogs are giving them a hard time.
India and Pakistan are responsible for manythings happening in each others countries .. but we as the citizens should think wisely …
n please none of the pakistani should say anything bad about India neither any Indian should say about pakistan
and for the mate who said pakistan is counting its days n india is moving towards china or what eva he said .. brother i would suggest you to read political book and watch daily news … cuz u seems a typical Bashaa ( Bonga) kind of person .. so plzz no harsh words for each other … PEACE OUT
December 13th, 2009 at 3:23 am
@sayeed: dude you don’t tell me about anything i know more than you about present politic going on… Em a student of political and social sciences moreover all of my blood relatives are at high posts of army, politics and even ISI so you don’t tell me ok… About 9/11 it was an inner job we all know that and in 26/11 your government was involved with LET and they supported them… your intelligence agency support every attack in PAKISTAN so you just dont try to blame Pakistan… finally i just want to say that you indians are basically fools you cant understand the plan and that is why you got independence after 150 years…
December 13th, 2009 at 3:29 am
@Abrar: yo bro you are right this is what em trying to tell them that Paki government wasn’t involved in that attack and if that attack was done by LET and as saptarshi said maybe some indian officials were involved in it so its a self attack…
December 13th, 2009 at 5:35 am
@faisal: HAHAHAHA…thatssss soooooooooooo LAME… DUDE…
DO U HAV ANY IDEA WAT A WAR WID INDIA WIL DO 2 U PPL…SERIYSLY… I MEAN UR COMMENT S NOT ONLY IGNORANT… ITS KINDAA FUNNY… U R THREATENING INDIA JUS LIK A CHILD DOES 2 SOME ADULT B’COS HE IS SCARED OF THE BIG SIZ AND POWER OF TH ADULT… LOLOLOLOL... I DNT EVEN THINK I NEED 2 ANSWER ALL UR QUERIES ABT HU HAS MORE POWER… V NEVER EVEN TALK ABT POWER… ITS ALWAZ PAKIS HU WANTS 2 GO ON WAR(OBVIUS FROM MOST OF TH POSTS FRM PAKISTAN..)…THN AGAIN SUM HAV A GOOD AND FAIR POINT OF VIEW…S FAR S IND S CONCERNED V HAV PEACFUL INTENTIONS… V R NOT PROUDLY TELLN OUR MISSILE COUNT….V WANT PEAC..U R TELLN LIK A MANIAC ABT HW MANY NUCLEAR TEST PAKISTAN HAS DONE.. AND HW ALL PAKIS R B8R THN INDIANS… NO1 S EVEN TALKIN ABT THAT… :p
@abrar: DUDE… HATS OFF 2 U…AND 2 CLEAR IT…NO INDIAN S BLAMING ALL PAKIS..… BUT V R JUS SAYN SOME BASTARDS DID IT.. AND UNFORTUNA8LY THEY ALL BELONG 2 PAKISTAN(V HAV PROOF..)..I M ONLY ABUSING TERRORISTS… NUTHN WRONG 2 UR COUNTRYMEN… I ALSO HATE ALL TERRORISTS… INDIANS OR PAKISTANIS DOESNT MATTER..ALL TERRORISTS AND PPL HU KILL INNOCENTS WHETHER MY COUNTRY OR URS DESERVE 2 B PUNISHED… I THINK ITS ONLY PPL LIK U HU CAN TAK PAKISTAN OUT OF ITS TRUBLES…F ALL PAKIS & INDIANS HAV A MENTALITY LIK U… I M SURE INDIA AND PAK WILL REACH GR8 HIEGHTS… THATS ALL…
@Paki: IF U R A STUDENT OF POLITICAL SCIENC.. I DNT THINK U WILL PASS EVER IN UR LIF. :p… U MAY HAV SUMMM HUGE CNTACTS.. BUT THE MOST ImPORTANT THING 4 A STUDNT OF POLTCL SC 2 HAV N OPEN MIND.. AND TH ABILITY 2 THINK FREELY AND TELL TH TRUTH 2 MASES ..DESPITE CARING ABT HU S INVOLVD OR WIL B BENIFITED..U R CLEARLY LAGGIN THAT…U R JUS MADLY DEFENDIN PAKISTAN..SUMTIM U SAY ALL INDIAN MUSLIMS HU R DOING WELL IN INDIA.. R BASIACALLT ALL PAKIS.. SO V NEED 2 THANK U 4 THEM…ODER TIMES U SAY HINDU XTREMISTS KILLED 174 PPL IN MUMBAI…IN INDIA ITSELF..OR ABT HW PAKISTAN S B8R THN INDIA IN POVERTY LINES… U R FUNNY :p
December 13th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
@ SACHIN …..
Dude .. i know it sounds ridiculous .. but i can assure you PAK Goverment does it .. and so DOES Indian Goverment … Your a fool if you think U.S.A wasn’t in on 9/11 … it wouldn’t have been possible if it wasn’t an INSIDE JOB .. JUST LIKE MUMBAI ….
at the end of the day we are all humans … and i am aware what my brain can think of … so can others … its just a matter of who acts upon those thoughts …
PAKI, INDIAN, AMERICAN … these PEOPLE Are the most twisted people in the WORLD right now … there have been others .. but right now .. THIS TRIO tops it !!!!!!
December 14th, 2009 at 3:12 am
@utkarsh an INDIAN: sAme to you but i think that its part of my studies to research on world politics and to figure out who is getting benefit for the incident like 9/11 or 26/11… I would like to mention that em not against indians or any other person as i stated above and i have given reasons for that… I just want to clear that Pakistan government and Pakis were not involved in 26/11… There were few terrorist who entered mumbai and I hope you would understand that its impossible for terrorists to enter a country without any inner authorities involved I just want you people to find out that thing… I am really sorry for the loss but I would condemn any person who will speak against Pakistan… I admit that we are facing some problems but those problems never affected our life toO much We are living a very happy normal life and i wish everyone do… But before pointing anyone else you should try to think the basics… and its not necessary for only student to have an open mind everyone should have that one So kindly stop blaming us for 26/11 and let us live our lives otherwise it will result in more 9/11 and more 26/11 and this time probably it would be done by us
December 19th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
@Paki: Hi,
U really think common Pakistani citizens can carry out this scale of a planned and chillingly executed terrorist act without proper training, these terrorists were completely brain washed just like the army trains its soldiers. Everything including the logistics, the equipment they carried has been supplied by a section of the pakistani defense organisation.
this act was well planned and executed with the help of satellite imagery, state of the art equipments. It clearly points out to the involvement of specialized units and intelligence organisations in pakistan
December 20th, 2009 at 8:59 am
@Gerard Jesudas: even for the sake of argument if we accept tht pakistani authorities had a part, wht about the elements who provided them with arms and ammunition in India???? they travelled unarmed out of Pakistan who was their local collabourator.
Who gave them soem precise info which even the local mumbai residents didnt have??? gulshan grover gave an interview to Geo tv in which he said tht he hadnt ever heard about a Jewish centre in Mumbai whereas these idiots knew the exact location and went straight to it?
December 26th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xbrCaTebL0
hahahahaaha for all of indians prove that 26/11 was an inside job… watch it people and justify yourselves by giving lame excuses…hahahahhaa
December 27th, 2009 at 11:23 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCLJegz1OgA
Please my indian people wake up and try to stop this propoganda
December 31st, 2009 at 12:51 pm
please get me a link to watch this film
‘Terror in Mumbai’ by Fareed Zakaria
January 1st, 2010 at 2:26 am
Rift Among Indian Army Top Generals Over Corruption
Chief Gen. Kapoor locks horns with his possible successor Gen. Singh ( IN CORRUPTION SCAM). HOW THEY CAN FIGHT WITH MUSLIMS SUPREME LEADER GEN KYANI.
While the Indian Army has announced that it is ready to open a t-front war against Pakistan and China,the Army Headquarters at New Delhi forget that the Indian government and its spy agencies like RAW have already imposed a secret war against both Pakistan and China and certain credible proofs of the same have started surfacing both in China and Pakistan but due to certain unknown reasons, both Beijing and Islamabad are not taking up the issue officially with India or the global community, perhaps to maintain a calm in the region.
The investigations of The Daily Mail indicate that there are enough evidence available with China to prove that Indian Intelligence agency RAW had been active behind last year’s unrest in Tibet while the foreign hand behind recent riots in Chinese province Xinjiang is also believed to be that of RAW. Similarly the Pakistan government has been provided a variety of proofs of involvement of Indian government and specially the Indian intelligence agency behind the continuous chaos in various parts of Pakistan, particularly NWFP province’s Malakand division and tribal agencies of North and South Waziristan where Pakistan army is fighting the war against terrorists and extremists.
The Pakistan Army and the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) have succeed in gathering a number of proofs that the Indian government is hectically engaged in sponsoring the terrorists and extremists in various parts of Pakistan specially those, fighting war against Pakistan Army in NWFP province and tribal areas. Pakistani intelligence authorities have also detected that RAW was even involved in Monday’s carnage at Karachi in which, after a suicidal attack on a procession, through a well calculated and pre-planned exercise, a hell of fire was unleashed in the top commercial area of the city which caused huge financial loss, estimated to be over 5 billion rupees in less than a five hours’ time. The Daily Mail’s investigations indicate that the authorities have discovered certain potassium chlorate based explosives, manufactured by Vaigai Industries, Madurai district of Tamil Nadu India.The Daily Mail’s investigations reveal that the ISI and Pakistan Army started discovering the proofs of comprehensive Indian involvement when a military operation was launched against miscreants in Baluchistan province, a few years back. These investigations indicate that the Pakistani law enforcing agencies found highly credible evidence, proving that the Indians were not only giving comprehensive financial support to the miscreants in Baluchistan but were also providing them with huge caches of all sorts of weapons and other military equipments. These investigations indicate that those proofs were given to the federal government in Islamabad but at that time, then President of Pakistan General Pervez Musharraf deferred taking up the matter with the Indians as he was focusing on enhancing the peace process with New Delhi. However he is believed to have shown these proofs to the Americans. According to some credible sources, at one stage President Musharraf showed a photograph to the US ambassador to Pakistan in which the most wanted militant Baitullah Mehsood could be seen coming out of one of the Indian diplomatic Missions in Afghanistan.
The Daily Mail’s findings further indicate that owing to the US pressure to keep increasing friendly ties with India, the Gilani government also preferred to avoid taking up the issue of Indian involvement in Baluchistan with New Delhi. In the meanwhile, the incident of 26/11 took place which pushed Islamabad on the back foot and the issue of raising the mater with New Delhi was deferred further as New Delhi, after the 26/11 attacks in Mumbai, sent a farcical dossier, based on a fabricate confessional statement by a RAW created fake surviving terrorist. It remains a fact that the said statement of the fake accused was exposed as a RAW fabricated draft by The Daily Mail in its special investigative report that was published in the edition of 30th December, 2009. This faulty dossier, based on ridiculous proofs turned out to be more than enough to spin the minds of officials of Interior Ministry and Foreign Office at Islamabad and they, instead of challenging the farcical India dossier and rejecting it completely they rather started acting in accordance with the India dossier that was actually nothing but a double bullshit with cherry on the top.
In the meanwhile, when the government ordered a comprehensive military operation against the extremists and terrorists in parts of NWFP province and the tribal belts of Waziristan agencies, the Pakistani security forces and intelligence authorities were shocked to see that all the ammunition dumps of Taliban militants were full of Indian weapons, arms and explosives. Here again the security forces discovered the weapons manufactured by different units of Indian Ordinance Factories (IOF) and explosives and chemicals made by Vaigai Chemical Industries of India. It is worth mentioning here that there are around 40 arms and ammunition manufacturing units in India that work under IOF while the Vaigai is the 2nd largest Potassium chlorate manufacturing facility of India.
The Daily Mail’s findings indicate that not only this but the Pakistani security forces also seized a large amount of Indian currency and Indian medicines from the deserted or conquered hideouts of militants in different operations in Swat and Waziristan. The daily Mail has learnt that the Indian medicines were used by militants not only as routine life saves or pain killing drugs but these also include the sex and emotions related medicines and were found in abundance at different hideouts of the militants and at their small secret hospital and medical facilities. In addition, the security forces also seized huge amount currency bills of Indian currency either from the arrested militants or from the captured hideouts. The investigations reveal that to trade in Indian currency in all parts of Afghanistan is quite open and normal and one can buy anything at anywhere with Indian currency in any part of Afghanistan. According to some reports, the Indian currency is more acceptable than the US Dollar in Afghani business markets.
The Daily Mail’s findings indicate that the most interesting proof of the Indians sponsoring the militants in Pakistan was the discovery of an India made strange grenade. These grenades that were seized amongst other Indian weapons from militants’ different ammo dumps and hideouts is know as the curry bomb and Indians have used it in Pakistan through militants as a test case. The Daily Mail’s findings indicate that this a one hundred percent indigenous bomb of the Indian Ordnance factories and the Indians have tested it against the enemy for the first time in Waziristan. The terrorists would use these curry bombs to attack on different camps and posts of security forces to flush the personnel out and then to target them, something that was quite new for Pakistani security forces. According to the British newspaper Daily Mail (UK), ” India’s weapons development experts have developed an eye-watering spice bomb, packed with a potent mix of red chilli and pepper which will be used to smoke out militants during counter-insurgency operations. As Britain’s legion of Friday night Vindaloo casualties will testify, too much chilli can be debilitating.
But scientists from India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation have discovered that the spices which make your curry so hot can also bring an enemy to his knees in seconds. Eye-watering: The spice bomb is packed with a potent mix of red chilli and pepper The mix of spices and phosphorous chokes the enemy’s respiratory tract, leaving targets barely able to breathe for a time,” the newspaper concludes.
The Daily Mail’s findings indicate that though all these concrete proofs have been handed over to the federal government by the security forces and intelligence agencies, yet the government is not feeling like taking up the matter with the Indians or the global community. The Daily Mail is here publishing the comparative images of the evidences given to Pakistan by the Indian government regarding the 26/11 Mumbai attacks and the concrete evidences discovered by Pakistani security forces and given to the government so that a dossier can be sent to New Delhi as well.
This is all about ISI is best org in the world. india is afraid.
source :
http://dailymailnews.com/0110/01/FrontPage/FrontPage1.htm
January 1st, 2010 at 2:26 am
Corruption scams generate acute row amongst Indian army top brass
December 31, 2009
HOW CORRUPT KAFIR LEADER’S CAN FIGHT WITH MUSLIM LEADING COMMANDER OF PAK,,,,,,USSR IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST EXAMPLE , VIETNAAM IS SECOND AND AFGHANISTAN IS THIRD ONE.
New Delhi—An outrageous feud has erupted amongst the top brass of India Army as two top Generals, the chief, General Deepak Kapoor, and his putative successor and the Eastern Command boss, Lt General V.K. Singh have locked horns over the issue of corruption scams in the army , reveal the findings of The Daily Mail.
According to the findings of The Daily Mail, the difference between the Indian army Chief General Kapoor and the Chief of Army’s Eastern Command, Lt. General V.K Singh, who is the senior-most Lieutenant General, were emerging for the past few months after the inquiries into a military land scam began. These finding indicate that this tension between the 2 top general of Indian army reached to the extreme when a Court of Inquiry, convened by the Eastern Army Commander who is based in Fort William in Calcutta, started the proceedings and recommended for the sacking of Army Chief, General Kapoor’s Principal Staff Officer (PSO) and Military Secretary, Lt Gen. Avadhesh Prakash. According to the sources in the in the Indian army, the Army Chief General Kapoor has made an abortive attempt to defend his top confidant. Our sources in the Ministry of Defence informed that General Kapoor has officially informed the Defence Minister A.K. Antony that Lt Gen. V.K Singh was taking an over enthusiastic and “undue interest” in the land scam case of North Bengal
The Daily Mail’s investigations further indicate that the Court of Inquiry, presided over by Commander 4 Corps, based at Tezpur-based, Lt Gen. K.T. Parnaik, had forwarded its findings to Lt Gen. Singh. Based on the findings and on consultations with the Judge Advocate General (JAG) in his command, the eastern army commander recommended the “termination of services” of Lt Gen. Prakash because of his alleged involvement in a land scam case. The army sources say that this situation has paralyzed the entire military establishment as the scuffle between the 2 bigwigs of the Indian Army is rising day by day with Army Chief trying to show his muscles to Commander Eastern Command and resisting JAG branch’s recommendations while Commander Eastern Command sticking to the set rules and procedures.
The Daily Mail’s investigations further reveal that the Indian Defence Minister, who trying hard to stay away from this controversy over the corruption scam of the Generals of the Indian army, held a confidential meeting with his Army Chief General Kapoor on the eve of Christmas and asked General Kapoor to be easy over the matter of his PSO Lt Gen. Prakash. The sources say that upon this Gen. Kapoor demurred and defended his confidant but failed to convince the Defence Minister.
These investigations further indicate the while the report of the Court of Inquiry was being “studied and analysed”, another probe from the central command brought out “the involvement without blaming” of the military secretary in awarding a Rs 1.7-crore contract to a north Bengal-based realtor, Dilip Aggarwal.
Brigadier (Rtd) M.K Singh, a former Indian army officer and is one way or the other, associated to the state of affairs, upon contacting by The Daily Mail said that it was all indicative of a serious communication gap between Army Headquarters and the Eastern Command, a fully operational authority whose area of responsibility covers the maximum length of international borders. According to Brigadier Singh, after the report of the Court of Inquiry (CoI) was hand-delivered from Calcutta at 9.30 on the morning of December 23, Wednesday, Army Chief Kapoor was summoned for an unscheduled meeting by the Defence Minister in his office and he discussed the matter with General Kapoor for about two hours but general Kapoor remained stick to defend ‘his’ men and the meeting ended with no positive outcome.
Brigadier Singh says that there was cold war going on between general Kaporr and the Fort William boss Lt. General V.K Singh for the past few months over some personal issues. He says that since Gen. Singh had convened a Court of Inquiry that indicted Lt Gen. Prakash in the land case. Gen. Kapoor felt that the Eastern Commander did not have the authority to summon the army chief’s principal staff officer and he did so with ill-intentions. He further said that Lt Gen. V.K. Singh, whose age was caught in a discrepancy, was bypassed earlier for the post of Vice-Chief of the Army staff and somehow blamed General Kapoor for it and that is perhaps from where the row between the two began.
The Daily Mail’s findings reveal that a meeting between Defence Minister and Army Chief General Kapoor was held in the afternoon of December 24 after the minister had returned from Hyderabad. This meeting lasted for 40 minutes. During the meeting the Defence Minister and the army Chief discussed the Eastern Command’s recommendation to “terminate the services” of Prakash over the alleged Rs 300-crore land scam in north Bengal. Sources in the defence Ministry say that Minister Antony sought a summary of the investigation and the recommendations and directed that the military secretary be prevailed upon to put in his papers to avoid further embarrassment to his ministry and the army.
The Daily Mail findings suggest that Gen. Kapoor protested and defended his PSO’s position and pleaded to the Defence Minister that the Eastern Command under Lt Gen. Singh, who was the convening authority of the court of inquiry that has indicted the military secretary, has taken an “undue interest” in investigating Lt Gen. Prakash.
The military secretary was called as a witness to the court and the eastern commander does not have authority to investigate him or recommend action against one of the eight principal staff officers.
The Daily Mail’s findings further indicate that the army Chief suggested that the recommendation to “terminate the services” in other words, cashier or sack the military secretary should be toned down to “administrative action” that could involve cutting his benefits but will not drape an officer with such a long career in ignominy but the minister did not agree to it and instead conveyed that Lt Gen. Prakash should be persuaded to put in his papers if he does not do so voluntarily.
These findings indicate that the next day, December 25, Gen. Kapoor visited the defence minister at his residence, ostensibly to wish him on Christmas. Staff at the defence minister’s residence expected the meeting to last about 30 minutes or so. But it ended after 10 minutes in a very cold manner.
The Daily Mail’s investigations reveal that during the time of the first unscheduled meeting, the Defence Minister was not properly briefed about the second investigation in Lucknow by a Major General.
That investigation indicted seven officers, including a Major General, in the Ranikhet Kumaon Regimental Centre land scam while Military Secretary Lt Gen. Prakash is the Colonel Commandant of the Kumaon Regiment. It was a double whammy for the Army Chief General Kapoor and his Principal aide.
The defence analysts here at New Delhi believe that this state of affairs where the Chief of Army Staff is patronizing the officers that have been proved guilty of corruption, the Indian Army is bound suffer badly.
They suggest that general Kapoor should either be removed or be asked for a volunteer retirement from the service to save the image and reputation of the institution that is already suffering from big blows of corruption
January 3rd, 2010 at 1:16 am
@ ahmed
i really have to say wat a coment u have given if you have quoted the london times or any other rewoned paper then there can be a point, even i can give u links of tons of indian newspaper who can give out or claim this sort of rubish thing against your country……….
January 3rd, 2010 at 5:13 am
please if anyone can send me the link to watch this documentary online……………
January 3rd, 2010 at 10:08 am
I believe that terrorism is a result of terrorism. If you see, terrorist act that was carried out in mumbai was also a result of another terrorist act. there are certain elements who feel that india is committing terrorism in Kashmir. so as a result of it they also carry out terrorist acts against india. What i want to say is that we should sit together and analyze the root causes of terrorism. Without a sincere and combined effort terrorism cannot be stopped.
February 5th, 2010 at 11:58 am
@@Vishal: Nice compliments Vishal, but having a few more Pakistanis like Mr. Malick may not be sufficient for having peace between India and Pakistan. We would need such persons in both countries, no?
February 9th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
ha and what about indian involvement in our tribal areas, in balochistan, in karachi, in swat, in Marriot blast, in attack at Srilankan cricket team and in every act of terror or sectarian voilence or destability attempt that takes place in pakistan. what about of blocking out water whose every drop accounts for almost a life….
and whoever dickhead that wrote this column first should prove that these were pakistanis and in doing so dont refer to the shit that GEO TV aired about Ajmal Kasab. GEO TV did exactly what are you doing, help Indian assholes defame Pakistan…. even if he was pakistani he had the courage to do which every mother should taught his new born child before feeding himm….
February 21st, 2010 at 7:46 am
Sajid Mallick’s Indian feet licking would not end now!
Google this article to find the truth “Mumbai attacks truth uncovered”
I would give this one article to slap the Indian apologists here who are there to insult their own motherland