Sat Sari Akal from Pakistan!
As a native of Pakistan – I am excited to have a sagacious leader at the helm of affairs next door. Especially as our countries have a history of bitter relations having fought three wars since our independence from Britain in 1947. We both claim the Himalayan region of Kashmir, which is divided between us.
Mr. Prime Minister, I feel it’s about time that we both re-visit the concept of ‘sous rature’, (a term usually translated as ‘under erasure)’ in our bilateral discussions. I am proposing a sous rature for Kashmir – because the conflict is inadequately represented thus far as a territorial issue. Since this is an important issue, I propose we keep it legible yet cross it out. And, going forward use a more accurate term; water conflict.
Water is linked to the crises of climate change, energy and food supplies, and in our case, a territorial dispute. Unless Kashmir’s link with water is addressed and resolved, these other crises may intensify leading to further political insecurity and conflict at various levels.
It is abundantly clear to most educated Pakistanis that the Kashmir dispute cannot be resolved until every Pakistani citizen is assured access to water – today, tomorrow and for times to come. I am hoping that in your second term you will demonstrate the courage expected of a ‘fair’ regional power and not insist on building dams that will deprive Pakistani farmers of vital water supplies.
Mr. Prime Minister, I am hoping that you will address the critical issue of the Tulbul Navigation project on Wular Lake in the Indian-controlled portion of Kashmir. I am sure you are aware of our position that this dam will disrupt the flow of water into the Jhelum River, which flows into Pakistan. This dam clearly violates the Indus Water Treaty of 1960. You must know that the World Bank-mediated 1960 Indus Water Treaty stipulates that we share the Indus River and its five tributaries – the Jhelum, Chenab, Ravi, Beas and Sutlej. Under the treaty, we received exclusive use of waters from the Indus and its westward flowing tributaries, the Jhelum and Chenab, while the Ravi, Beas and Sutlej rivers were allocated for your country’s use.
Mr. Prime Minister in your haste to win this second term you have withheld millions of cubic feet of water upstream on the Chenab in Indian-administered Kashmir, and you are storing it in the massive Baglihar dam in order to produce hydro-electricity. Mr. Prime Minister you know it is in breach of the 1960 treaty. I know you decided to stop entertaining this discussion after the Mumbai attacks- but why are you punishing the poor farmers of Pakistan for the crimes committed by a few mercenaries?
We have heard your position that India has a right to ‘’run-of-the-river’’ projects but ask 10 independent scientists and they will confirm that the Baglihar dam reduces the flow of water to Pakistan in violation of the 1960 treaty. Come down to Pakistan and bring those World Bank appointed experts who had cleared the Baglihar project so they can understand the implication of their decision as well. If these experts are not blind- I am sure they will notice that the levels of both the river and groundwater have fallen substantially. Indeed, from our side this doesn’t even look like a river anymore; it is more like a puddle.
Mr. Prime Minister I don’t want to bore you with details, but the 1960 treaty guaranteed us 55,000 cusecs of water. Yet, this year we have received between 13,000 cusecs during the winter and a maximum of 29,000 cusecs during summer.
We have also heard the Indian argument for the Wular dam; that you will make a shallow 12 mile stretch of the river in order to ease “navigation” during the dry summer months. And that this is allowed under the 1960 treaty.
Let’s be honest Mr. Prime Minister- this is an open attempt to store water and control how much will be allowed to flow to Pakistan. It may not happen overnight – but there are no guarantees that you will continue to win elections in India for next 30-40 years.
Mr. Prime Minister- you may ignore this appeal but at least pay attention to more than 20 different UN bodies who have warned that the world may be perilously close to its first water war. Take these dam projects off the table and you will win the hearts and minds of Pakistanis. Moreover, you will bring the two nations closer to a more peaceful and prosperous coexistence.
August 15th, 2009 at 10:26 am
U know what i think…The third world war will b occur just coz of water dispute..
August 15th, 2009 at 10:29 am
how cud they run over baglihar dam…
August 15th, 2009 at 10:36 am
indian pm shud sho some courage…i mean why they have created dam onthe river to produce electricity for them…and they r ruining the life ofpakistani farmers…they r clearly violating the 1960 treaty.
August 15th, 2009 at 10:38 am
i m asking how come World Bank permitted india to do so…..?
August 15th, 2009 at 10:40 am
This is what they want….
August 15th, 2009 at 10:55 am
in my opinion world bank and united nation and other organization around the world shud seriously interfare and look into this matter….
August 15th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
there are many other treaties and resolutions and promises to keep first…
then these trivial matters be discussed
August 15th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Mr. Prime Minister, I my saying anything may not mean much to you but I still think we must go away from this world with a light heart and that we have promoted love and concern with our neighbours who were once our inmates can u imagine getting up in the next world with a pleasant feeling that we are going to live together for ever and in peace as one again
August 15th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
this is a humanitarian issue and a dishonesty on Indians part
August 15th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Our neighbour should totally stop terrorist attacks….then only can some kind of meaningful dialogue take place
August 15th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
My friends,I am an Indian, I am not clear with the specifics of the said water treaty or the condition of the farmers across the border. But it would have been a legitimate request if we were two friendly nations. Given the circumstances that the two countries have got themselves into, I dont see why we should contribute to bringing economic prosperity and stability to our enemy. Pakistan has been over the years using the terrorist trump card to persuade(may be ‘bully’ is the right word) in its negotiations(’Oh! we cant stop terrorists unless you resolve Kashmir in a way that is favourable to us), may be even we fancy having our own trump card. Time and again we have had wars with Pakistan, in which pakistan has ignored all known treaties,put together preceding the respective wars. 1965 war taught us that a goodwill gesture towards pakistan will not be in our best interest . Finally the author indicates the possiblity of a water war between our two nations, which is expressed in a way that can be assumed to say, that it is not in India’s best interest. A war between two nuclear armed countries is in no ones best intrest. However the posiblity of a conventional warfare victory for pakistan is miniscuel, given our track record. So i frankly cant see the possiblity that this letter is going to bring about any change in our policy regarding this issue.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Dear Sajid
first of all I would like to thank you for bringing this to my attention and probably alot of others.
I looked up the issue after reading your post. Here is what I found please do correct me if I’m wrong.
Article III(4) does prohibit India from constructing any storage works on Jhelum but article III (1) grants both India & Pakistan non-consumptive use of the rivers. This includes Jhelum & navigation falls in this category.
Hence what needs to be considered is if the tulbul project is for impounding water- as it reduces the daily flow of waters (Pakistans stand) or controlling water flow- without which navigation is not possible in the lean months, also controlling waters will provide Pakistan with assured flow in the lean months(Indias stand).
I believe an agreement was almost reached in 1991 however in 1992 Pakistan added another clause that construction of hydro electric project on river neelam must also stop, something India did not agree to do.
Hence it is my belief that for a solution both governments must be willing to compromise & understand the plight of the people on the other side of the border be it Pakistan or India.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Dear friend,
well and wish to hear the same from you.
Your article is an excellent piece.
Hope that both countries will prosper in future years.
please read my writings in all world leading networks.
August 15th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Simple, if world bank has approved it, its legal, Dont ui pakistanis have brains
August 15th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
i dont think that our PM, Mr. Manmohan Singh will be able to read this. You could have written a letter to him, instead. Brother, seriously saying, this time we all will take action only after all the terrorist and their camps are destroyed in Pakistan, because there were bomb blasts in more than 12 big cities of india and all had some connections with the Pak and thats a major issue for us(Indians).
August 15th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
As the rule of the world “what goes around comes around” they’d (indians) soon become acquainted to this rule.
August 15th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
You people need to learn how to type in proper English first. Second, India is the superpower in the region and has not broken any laws by putting these projects in place. If a war must be waged to ensure that India prospers and fulfills its destiny, it should engage willingly.
August 15th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
in my opinion you pakis dont deserve anything because of you, afghanistan, & iraq we all indians are being harassed why should we give you anything
August 15th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Dear Ibrahim Sajid Malick, I think the proposed solution is not workable under any circumstances, The person who relate dispute of Kashmir with water is quite ignorant from the core of this issue. This dispute does not involve any resources except human beings living in the disputed region. The demand is simple ….give them right to choose…the basic right of a fee man….all other solution can never full fill the purpose and there is no remedy that can ease the pain of injustice committed by Maharaga Dogra with the help of the British who sold the whole state along with the people to India for money….
Please put this point in your thoughts and then think….If people of Kashmir decide to stay with India, no Muslim should object their right,but if some one tries to impose his will over their right, then people of Kashmir have right to protest it by every mean and being their Muslim brothers it is our duty to support them.
Pakistan does not need the blood water…the cost of water you think is need of every Pakistani is the blood of over thousands of Kashmir people who have scarified their lives for this cause. I prefer to die instead of using this water in such term.(Islamic history is witness of same deed)
August 15th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
The plan is to turn Pakistan in desert in the next few decades, we might not live that long to see this happening but like everything else we’ll leave our children to disabled country.
I pray for a leader to arrive somehow, highly unlikely but I wish somehow GOD forgive us for our unlimited SINs and show HIS never-ending mercy…
August 15th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
I have my home town near Baglihar dam and there is no reduction in water level, all Pakistan can do is blame India for each and everything which is pointing towards of failure of Pakistan as state.
Tell us which treaty or agreement Pakistan obeys from all that has been agreed between two nations right from 1947.
What about Shimla agreement and how you guys cam into Kargil?
Terrorism as a weapon to bleed India from Multiple points because pakistan Army can not Fight and lost it moral in 1971.
Creating Jihadis like some one grows Chicken farms to exports to India which kills innocents people?
So , If India need energy, India has to fullfill its requirements fom own sources and after that look for Nuclear energy and petroleum from Middle East.
Why not make Dams when we have Rivers.
If Pakistan do not come on line with world as a Democratic and Good Citizens of World, then you see, it start hurting itself.
I Swim in Chenab, Whenever i go back to my Home Town, Water is so cool and it give beautiful shining !
Sure , we will think of making one more Dam there!
August 15th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Our govt. is not pushing hard enough. Matter should be taken up in more international forums.
August 15th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Pakistanis deserve nothing…not even water…they have got enough after partition
August 15th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
It is tough to give water to a nation that has occupied half of a other countries state and its still being invloved with terrorist organizations that attack not just one state ,but all states of the other country , just too tough you know..
but water may be a cause of concern for any nation these should be addressed carefully and in public , and ppl shld never follow the words of waht their leaders speak- (neither INDIA nor PAKISTAN).
Hope it all ends well
August 15th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Hello Mr. Malick, I agree with your assesment. We must expose Indian exploitation of our resources. We must show the world that India is not what it presents itself to be. It is a unjust state that is trying to steal our water.
August 15th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Author is right because water dispute between India and Pakistan could trigger a nuclear war between both countries. It is no secret that India has cut off important water supply routes to Pakistan by constructing dams on rivers in Kashmir.
We consider Kashmir as the jugular vein of Pakistan, and India is building dams in Kashmir on our rivers by which, God forbid, Pakistan can become a desert within the next 10 to 15 years. We should show upright posture or otherwise prepare for a nuclear war.
August 15th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Appreciate the kind and polite message being directed to the govt of India and helping them with the small dose of memory pills for getting the memories of 1961 alive but my dear Friends fail to understand that the enmity has been caused by this same behavioral aspect of my dear neighbor Pakistan by their shear arrogance and misconceptions.I wonder how they have not gone to their so called parents America till now to complaint.Its been a usual custom for Pakistan to threaten of a WAR of which they are just a novice and fail to measure their capability.Seems we are again in a deadlock with someone we hate to be even closely associated.Jai Hind
August 15th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
You say that India passed on only 13000 cusecs during winter and 29000 cusecs of water during summer.
Tell me, if the roles were reversed, how much water would Pakistan have let flow into India?
The problem with Pakistan is not a few mercenaries. It is your stinking media, your stinking clergy (at least a part of it), and your stinking political establishment – all of which are out to make an ass of the whole population – and the only way for them to do it is to keep you obsessed with India while they coolly pick your pockets dry.
Tell me, what does the average Pakistani feel about the Parliament attack, about the bomb attacks, about the Mumbai attacks?
You talk of WTO. Is printing of fake Indian currency notes approved by WTO? The lacs of crores of fake Indian currency which is being dumped into India – can it happen without the complicity of the Pakistani press? You talk of taking ten impartial scientists to the dams in Kashmir. Why not first take them to see the terrorist training camps, the fake-currency printing machines, the weapon supply centres?
Make God put some sense in the average Pakistani; and also, save India from our intellectuals who if they were to visit Pakistan, could easily be bought over with a cup of tea and nicely served croissants.
August 15th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
What i think by reading this letter that the answer to this letter should be NO!!!! Y should we help our neighbors if they r not behaving as one…
Whatever they are suffering now is just because of their deeds, and i see no reason for providing water to pakistan.
August 16th, 2009 at 12:45 am
@meet
since when did the world bank become the arbiter of international justice?
August 16th, 2009 at 1:16 am
This is a dispute opened by the Indian govt since 1965 war when they lost in the war. The extremist Hindus haven’t accepted Pakistan as a free country till now and are constantly involved in investing over Pakistan’s destruction in all fields of life. Bagilihar Dam also being an issue linked to Pakistan’s solemnity the Anti Pakistan Community comprising mainly of Indian fed/invested community is trying constantly to destroy Pakistan in all fields of life. In India more than 65 separation movements are active and sooner or later India will be broken like Russia into small parts. The proof lies in burning the Indian flag in illegally occupied Kashmir on the 15th of August and illegally occupied areas. India is constantly supplying ammunition to the different terrorist organizations it has deputed in Pakistan. Already a file of pictures and other evidences proving Indian manufactured ammunition being used in Pakistan in different terrorist activities has been handed to Man Mohan Singh at which he was bewildered & had no answer. But this & similar steps only arise hatred & don’t bring India and Pakistan near. We are rather moving away from one another and instead of trying to solve problems interlinked with one another India is just creating problems and distances by this illegal & inhumane attitude.
August 16th, 2009 at 1:23 am
Its gonna be Boom Boom Pow!!!
August 16th, 2009 at 2:07 am
well heloo every Indian out there shut up who said Pakistan don’t deserve any thing ,u bloody stupids al also don’t deserve any thing …. u guys know how much u own on the part of Pakistan … its just selfishness to say some thing like that but how i can forget u ppl are just like that …….. u ppl were selfish then (1947) u ppl are selfish now … the only thing u can do is nutaki ….more over itna he acha hai indian and is key log tu why al the biggest dons are residing i India …. may GOD curse u al with the his utmost wrath on u alll may every indian suffer death and poverty…
August 16th, 2009 at 2:35 am
Dear Mr Author,
Leave the water issue aside.
First Lets discuss about active Pakisani Terrorists in India. Fake currencies and Drugs being smuggled in India by Pakistan. Pakistan harboring Ibrahim Dawood and denying that he is not in Pakistan. Not claiming the bodies of their own citizens, terrorists and soldiers who were killed during their illegal entry in India.
I believe we need to issue the militancy issue first then we will move to water and other issues.
Regards
Dev
August 16th, 2009 at 3:02 am
If you want our water, crawl at our feet. lick the dust on our slippers. stop interfering in India’s internal matters. stop aid to terrorists. then we will consider supplying water to you. but first you have to pay an advance of 1 million usd for each litre of water that you want to beg of us.
August 16th, 2009 at 3:35 am
Mr.PM Fuck You. You appear be no different then the assholes who rules us. So take that water up your ass Lol.
August 16th, 2009 at 3:36 am
I think the mother language of both indian and pakistani are not english…thats why i m talking in your language..(Western followers)..Sab se pehli baat to yeh hai keh india terrorism ka rona rota hai pakistan ke samnee…India jo kashmir mein kar raha hai..ye kiya hai..?Wahan jo loogon ka qatle aam kar raha hai yeh kiyaa hai…?Pakistan ke peechay para rehta hai ke hum terrorist ko panah detay hain..terrorist hum banatay hain..Terrorist ka matlab pata hai kisi ko…Yeah India aur Pakistan ke baaf ne 9/11 karwa kar khud terrrorist ka paida kiyaa..Us ne afghanistan aur iran par qabza karna tha isi liye us ne sab drama kiyaa…Aur india to pehlay se hi chahta that ke paksitan kamzoor hojaee..Agar pakistan Nuclear Power Nahin hota to India abhi tak pakistan par hamla kar chuka hota..But afsoos..ab yeh sirf ab is ka khawab ban kar reh gaya hai…Hum Muslim hain..Hamara Iman boohat mazboot hai..Hum SIrf Ek Allah par yaqeen rakhtay hain..Wohi khilata hai aur wohi pilata hai..India kaun hota hai..?dam banao yuaa sara paani pi kar khtam kardo..hamein koi faraq nahin parta…
India ke liyee to hamara dar hi kafi hai…
August 16th, 2009 at 3:38 am
Boohat Khoob
August 16th, 2009 at 3:39 am
I donot think that any more war can b expected…This matter can b resolve by table talk..
August 16th, 2009 at 3:41 am
Hope it all ends well
August 16th, 2009 at 3:43 am
Who said pakistan willconvert into desert after few years…Khuda ke Banday..Why we are so away from islam…Just trust to Almighty Inshallah everything willb ok..Its all nothing but a Politics from both countries politicians…
August 16th, 2009 at 4:31 am
You Indians Wake Up and see the truth. What are your 10 embassies doing in Afghanistan near Pakistani border. They are responsible for all whats happening in Swat and as a result in Pakistan. You may be becoming a power in that area but are being supported in a biased way from others like America, Israel and UK. You think that all terrorists are coming from across the border but close your eyes to your own home grown Hindu terrorism against Muslims. Have you ever thought that why was your top anti terror cheif who found that it was not the Muslims but your own terrorists responsible for train blaze and other things killed in Mumbai attacks. WAKE UP and look beyond your own media.
Look for this video and listen to it
“Mumbai Attacks: Who’s really behind it?”
August 16th, 2009 at 4:51 am
Mr. Malick,
First of all lets talk logic. In case of a dispute with respect to water both parties can approach a third International party. As you said yourself, World Bank inspectors came and checked the dam project that you spoke of and CLEARED IT. So the issue should be settled. But still you will keep raising the issue because you yourself are a victim of pakistani propaganda. You, sitting in Pakistan, how can you judge whether the dam project is valid under the treaty or now without looking at the size of the project. As for the low water levels and flow this year, well it can come down due to normal weather factors as well, like less rainfall or global warming. Blaming India for that won’t do any good.
Now importantly i want to ask you, Why the hell should India not break the Indus Water treaty and build even bigger dams on its own wish, when Pakistan is doing everything in its power to destroy India. Pakistan sends fake currency (in thousands of crores) into India to break its economy, it sends terrorists into India not just in Kashmir but in other parts as well, If there is an insurgency anywhere in India Pakistan starts supporting it with Material support. Basically pakistan is hell bent on destroying india and you expect India to remain social and act according to a treay!! Pakistan has breached the trust of India, they know that they can’t win a direct war, they have done that and lost 3 times so now they run this proxy war. I think INDIA SHOULD TREAT THE INDUS WATER TREATY AS NULL AND VOID AND ACTUALLY TRY TO TURN THE HEAT ON PAKISTAN UNLESS IT FALLS IN LINE AND STOPS USING TERRORISM AS AN INSTRUMENT OF STATE POLICY.
The sins that Pakistan has committed since its inception and unpardonable and it’ll rot in hell….it doesn’t deserve to be on the map of any civilized world.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:55 am
SALAM Mr. Sajid i m proude of u, magar main or bhi khush hota agar app letter un k face per martay…
humain english aati hai magar hum tumhari tarah british gulam nai hain bulwindar saab.hum urdu ko apni taqat samajtay hain jo tum logo ko garam tawway per bithati hai, mujay to yahan pakistan main kuch jalnay ki buu aarahi hai.
sukhada chaudri,sandy,dilli,bulwindar,meet,anu,krishnamurti ramchandran galat baat mat karo Pakistan ko jo chiz pasand aati hai, wo usay dayni parthi hay, or jab nai milti to wo phir ussay cheen layta hai
agar pyar say raho gay to laddo dain gay,
nahi mano gay to bamboo dain gay.
agar tum main izzat hoti to apnay flag ko ulta na host kartay, bay sharmo jo apna taranga na sambhal sakay wo hum Pakistani jiyalo ka kia muqabila karain gay. 1965 main jo haal hua tha is dafa us say dugna ho ga or kia apnay jahaz jo kuch months pehlay aayay thay yaad nahi kaisay bhagay thay or hum terrorist nahi hai or hindustan k dhamakay bhi idhar say nai hotay wo tumara baap america karta hoga, hum jab karain gay na to phir us alaqay main 70 saal tak log paida nahi hongay or hongay bi to loolay langray hon gay yay super power wala khab bhool jao haan aik Pakistani tumai chalange kar raha hai ,,,,,,,,,,,filmy dunya say bahar aao,,,saalay filmy.
August 16th, 2009 at 5:40 am
Hi all
i read each and every comment. you know i have been to india.. in late 2007. at that time.. i found everyone so friendly.. i went to delhi and agra and got special attention from…the common man…
on the other hand we also received indian delegates of students and they had quiet a time in pakistan.. but then yes it was in 2007..
time changed but people change?? nope.. we are all humans.. what is this hysteria of raging wars.. why is common man on both side want to indulge into war.. Army on both side thrive on war.. politician have a main agenda for politics based on war.. west donot want to see asia prosper.. the point what good does it bring to common man??
please ask this questions from your selves.. do you believe me or you will get any thing if we go on war.. if we take charge of water and let other starve to death.. if the other one uses one of its thousands of missiles to blow up a dam.. where is this going..
we will see UN (usa and its pals) come to OUR rescue and stay here indefenetly like they are in IRAQ and many other places.. that is the bigger picture..
why do we hate each other so so much.. Islam clearly does not permit any sort of terrorism.. its an open knowlege.. pakistan also is fighting a full fledge war in north against terrorists with more advanced equipment then the army itself.. thousands of soldiers have died and thousads will.. do you honestly believe that Pakistan is in charge of these “funded” terrorists..
and then why do we the common men.. fall pray to war hystaria fueled by media, army and politicians.. we dont get anything.. what we loose is our peace of mind.. our tax money that becomes a weapon instead of books for our children..we loose everything..
so lets endorse the idea of peace and support it…and at least move forward, both nation’s ARMY ( kargil master mind musharaf-the bastard having a superb time Under UK’s blessings) have done crimes against each other..agreed… but for the sake of common man… forgive and forget.. and focus on things that really matter to..us..the common men!!
happy independence day to both of us!!
may god free us from in our minds as well..
Bless you all!
August 16th, 2009 at 6:06 am
I as a human agree to what you have written as the right of a human to live but at the same time as an indian, i feel our prime minister has taken the correct step forward as keeping treaties with a nation that violates them so often, note that its the shimla agreement in my mind, should be treated with a stick as the soft talk hasnt worked too often. pakistan is known to behave as a rebellious child in the south asian region and has been allowed leniency for quite too long. if it is not dealt with strictly at this point, it may grow to be an ignorant nation in the near future.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:20 am
ya i heard about this issue these days alot..
August 16th, 2009 at 6:23 am
Issue is not this that indian are breaking the treaty..If we remind the history we will find many misconducts done by pakistani too..Its purely a humanitariun matter..and india shud do it on humanitariun grounds.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:26 am
Its our internal matter and may not b discused on the intrntl forum//
August 16th, 2009 at 6:40 am
No war can b expected in near future coz both countries know wht impact will it bring in the whole region..
August 16th, 2009 at 6:42 am
Both countries politician are not playing the role they shud b playing…
August 16th, 2009 at 6:52 am
Its quite obvious to heared number of allegations from our neighbours on many issues off and on..Seems like someone is suffring frm flu there they put a blame on us…We do condem terror attacks too.Dont they see how much we suffer the terrorism since last decade.No other country did so…Did we put allegation on anyone?
So how come India do so..?And in return thy r tryng to stop flow of water by ruining the treaty.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:13 am
India can never be major power. India has the most poverty. People sleep on footpath and sewers. Kids born and die on the streets and government dreams of becoming super power. Firts try to feed all the hungry and give roof to all the homeless indians before thinking about super power. What r they doing..? building damns..?we shudn’t b worry coz if 45 % of indians don’t have 2 meals in a day? I am not jealous of India, I feel sorry for Indians.
August 16th, 2009 at 8:10 am
donno y r PM iz so decent……els aftr 26/11 maa XXXX deni chahiye thi tum pakiyo ki…
August 16th, 2009 at 10:29 am
I believe both India and pakistan lost their souls owing to the massacres that are now known as “partition”. I believe kashmir lost it’s soul when the kashmiri pandits were shunted out of their own homeland..For those who havent endured the pangs of either of these occurances, it is easy to talk of peace, humanitarianism, and what not..As if this wasn’t enough, there was the kargil war..on one side bleeding India of it’s sovereignity while on the other denying it the glory of having dealt with it’s perpretrators , because it was really a shameful invasion by a bunch of morons supported in good measure but not owned up by the pakistani armies..what a shame it is to die for no cause at all.ofcourse my monologue may sound partial and ill-informed. For Iam an Indian and have grown up on stories told to me. Still i feel, water is the least of our concerns right now..the way pakistan is misgoverned and looking at what rot the spectre of terrorism and religious extremism has set in the framework there, i just hope pakistanis escape the frankenstein they’ve created..i hope you find peace in your hearts first..
August 16th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Ibrahim sajid
do you pakistan needs water? do you have farmers? do you need a farm? i thought paskitanis eat bombs,drink grenades,guns,and wars ,,,wars at kargil and in all parts of kashmir?? WHY don’t you take the kashmiris to pakistan instead of kashmir?
August 16th, 2009 at 11:37 am
well b4 talkin abt such treaties and other stuff, 1st c ur country who have betrayed us in every part.
all d three wars was constituted by u pakistanis to accumulate r territory.
y shuld v indians always b liberal to u .
1st ask ur government to b liberal on sum issues thn askin r government to take the step.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Dear Readers!
There are certain people who don’t understand words but only punishment. I am sorry to say that almost all indian readers commented in a childish manner.
U people only deserve to be wiped out of the face of earth. U have only one country with Hindu Raaj. Muslims have many.
If we lose Pakistan, Muslim countries will remain, but when U people are sent to hell, there would be no Hindu country.
Remember, U people are covered and deserve no mercy.
Soon, Pakistan will get some patriotic leadership, hopefully a general. Soon there would missiles on ur Dams, in response to the violation of treties. U people claim to be the so called super power in this region, while u are not even civilized. Soon U will be punished.
August 16th, 2009 at 11:50 am
abey hindustaniyoun paaani chor aur daketoon agar larrai karnihai to samney aao peet peechaey sey vaar na karo pakistan aur hndustaan ki jung to honi hi hai inshaalah hum tyaar hai talwar momin ka zevar hai aao
hum saabit kadam hain
August 16th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Hi
I read many responses, well the whole world knows what is the capability of Pakistan to stand in front of India. Why don’t the Pakistan’s Govt. think of prospering Pakistan rather then a war or terrorism against India. why do they spend such a hefty amount of armaments. Pakistan govt should think of the people first so that they do not have to beg for anything. every country needs power to grow that’s what India shall be doing, ask your govt to take some measures to store whatall water is coming so that you can use that for irrigation. First become self sufficient then think of WAR. else u will be history on the GLOBE!!!!
August 16th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Oh man! What a letter! If all the facts represented are true, ‘Kudos’ to the guy who had the courage to write this crisp letter to our Prime Minister! But I also hope he has the same courage to write to his authorities too of the hell they are causing to the whole world- the mankind, in all other ways possible especially Terrorism, not just focus on the ‘India-Pakistan war.’
From,
A human, before an Indian.
August 16th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Hi
This is the 1960 treaty http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/SOUTHASIAEXT/0,,contentMDK:20320047~pagePK:146736~piPK:583444~theSitePK:223547,00.html please tell me where it says that India should not build a ’shallow lake’ ?
Venkat
August 16th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Hi
This is the 1960 treaty http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/SOUTHASIAEXT/0,,contentMDK:20320047~pagePK:146736~piPK:583444~theSitePK:223547,00.html please tell me where it says that India should not build a ’shallow lake’ ?
Even assuming there is a dispute and India has not been fair why is it that Pakistan has not invoked the Chapter ix provision allowed for dispute resolution ?
The fact is that both the countries media just take both their citizen for granted and to garner attention would go to any extent.. this is just one example. Gone are the ethics in journalism.(and I mean both sides of the border)
Venkat
August 16th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
You keep talking about violation of a treaty every now and then. I would like to remind you about the Shimla treaty because you guys have forgotten its existence.
August 16th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
@Pakistan Murdabad
hey guys i guess u indians have no brain to think about whats happening in Insia and what ur political govt’s are doing to u! wakeup u ass holes and sirf batien na ker agar himat hai tau utha Pakisan ke taraf ankh chear pahar kae rakh daen gae tujhay! mind it!
August 16th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Today pakistan is showing concern towards water. Why u guys want water? All the world knows that pakistan love drinking blood more than water and that what you did and is doing by up bringing terrorist in your country for India and other countries. So that the world bank thought on the same line and given the approval to India to built a Dam.
You know built a Dam not Bomb to destroy other countries peace and happiness. This is my first chance to intract with a pakistani just want to ask one thing what are you upto? You yourself can’t make anything in your country depends upon the mercy of USA. What basically you guys do? Do u do have jobs? What kind of jobs you have? Do you guys have entertainment channels? Do you have disco in Pakistan? Do you guys have a good banking system? Or the only job and business you understand is terrorism? Do you send your kids to school or to terrorist camps? Please do answer my query. Nothing personal man it is just a query.
August 16th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Hey… i want to ask somethng form my indian brothers.
Are punjabis on our side are cleaver, greedy, hardworking as they are on our side?
Pakhtoon (Pakistan meri jan)
August 16th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
I think before discussing anything pakistani Government should actually cut their relationships with terror, 55years later the independence we still are fighting with Pakistani Terrorists. There is no doubt that pakistan spreads terror around the world & supports the terrorist organizations around the world, Simple. Stop Terror, Or we are not going to listen……
@saltanatsheikh:
I dont care wtf you are talking about, May be have 45% of poor people in india. But look at your country, Your Sisters,mothers & daughters are not safe even in your own home, Atleast We Indians have some integrity for security of our people….
You Government is actually leaks the asses of American People & fucks your own life, Atleast we are not screwed as you guys are!!!!
XXXX Off Pakistanis….
Go n xxxx your mothers n sisters, Thats all what you pakistanis can do……
August 16th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Sorry for that last mistake:
Hey… i want to ask somethng form my indian brothers.
Are punjabis on your side are as cleaver, greedy, hardworking as they are on our side?
Pakhtoon (Pakistan meri jan)
August 16th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Don’t blame indians!
it’s fault of our govt. If they had the guts, Indian’s wouldn’t have dared stealing water!
our govt sold our own people to America, which became known to the nation after many years… who knows our govt has sold water as well!
August 16th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
I am a proud muslim living in India. I dont think we should have any sympathy for people across the border. Pakistan is a failed state. Instead of concentrating on its domestic problems the govt. of pakistan plays the kashmir issue to divert the attention of its public. I think pakisten govt. should think about returning 54 Indian Prisoners of War (1971 war)first before bringing up this issue.
August 16th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
A clear violation of the Indus Water treaty of 1960.
Under that treaty Jhelum & Chenab flow would be exclusively given to Pakistan,
The construction of Baglihar Dam, a violation.
The reduction of the volume/cusecs to be allocated, a violation
A few years back I remember an Indian minister/leader threatened to “turn Pakistan into a desert”.
August 16th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
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Bulwinder Says:
August 15th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
You people need to learn how to type in proper English first. Second, India is the superpower in the region and has not broken any laws by putting these projects in place. If a war must be waged to ensure that India prospers and fulfills its destiny, it should engage willingly.
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These Indians are not flexible on our “English” , stating that “first learn how to write in english” …
Its not our maternal language and its not a matter of honour for us…
If you Indians feel proud of it ..then what can i say about this attitude of yours…
U understood his points..its simple..that what he meant..so please shut ur mouth !!!
August 16th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
It seems Most Pakistanis want to go to war with India for any excuse possible, they want to be blood suckers. They think we dont listen to words and so v must be wiped from the face of the earth. They say that there is only one Hindu nation and many muslim nations – well there may be one Hindu nation but we are united bcos we had so many states under foreign colony, unitedly we fought and forced British out, the Muslims wanted separate state and they got it but we are still united. But we became enemies. U want to compare about having more Muslim nations and Hindus being 1. Its 1 becos we r united and progressing. Whereas most muslim nations are in chaos, becos they couldnt shun their religious identity. They fight and kill more muslims everyday – Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Palestine, Sudan and many more including Pakistan. Tell you guys one thing, that India’s enemy is Pakistan and NOT MUSLIMS, since ur already attacking us were give u good resistance. We have most of ur allies on our side today and if u think u can directly attack us I am sorry to say that ITS U WHO WILL BE WIPED OUT, not necessarily by INDIA. Get ur statistics right first. U have only China on your side whereas we have all the major global powers on our side. As far as China is concerned if they support u during war, we start an economic blockade that can cripple it completely. If u dont understand why we r not provoked even after ur fighting indirectly its becos we’re not just intelligent but WISE.
We want to be friends and not make enemies and we believe that it is possible. U may be intelligent to kill someone but try to be wise and appreciate the authors effort and most importantly try to understand the method he has used.
August 16th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Dear Pakistanis, You may need water no doubt but we need electricty. If farmers in Pakistan shall be starved of water, it is duty of the Govt,. of Pakistan to inter-link the rivers within its boundaries and spend some momey there rather than taking the easy route of blaming India. It has become a habit with Pakistan to balme India for all its problems. For your knowlegde, we have more problems in India, we draw up plans. Slowly but surely, we are paying attention. Kissi din hum kamyaab honge, magar Pakistan, it is a cry baby. They (the govt,) does not have stability to pay attention. Feudal Pakistan is used to have solutions from abroad. Have you any idea that threatening a neighbour can only make things worse for you. You are killing you neighbours. This is not done. Once again, pakistan can not see the writing on the wall and thinks India can be bullied. Pakistan, better start helping yourself and start walking the long road of self dependence for your people or you will be left by the roadside and doles of US shall make it all the more difficult for Pakistan to exist as there are no free lunches. For this You need India to support you for your prosperity yet you chose to confront it in false pride. Hence India has moved away from helping Pakistan as Pakistan is paranoid about India. That is Pakistan for you.
It has to get out the rut firts and start it journey for welfare of its people. India will take care surely and you will not have to write letters to its Prime Minister.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Fair point…however is takes two to tango! U cannot expect India to always honour its side of the bargain, while repeatedly inflicting acts of terrorism on her. Kargil, Mumbai and numerous other such acts clearly show that the soil of Pakistan is being used by elements hostile to India. Gen Pervez Mush had pledged that terrorism against India will not be allowed. Yet Mumbai happened. And the perpetrator Hafiz Sayeed goes scot free. Therefore we suspect that your intentions are not quite honorable.
Demonstrate that Pakistan is a friend of India and we’ll reciprocate.
August 16th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
you all are very stupid people….. both indians and pakistanis……. why dont you think for a sec that why are we fighting…… if there are bomb attacks in india so there are also bomb attacks in pakistan……… if i hate my neighbour then ll only distroy his home not mine…. this is a very big plan and a mastermind is doing all this…… you both nations are fighting with each other…… in comment you are abusing each other……. guys abhi bi waqt hai thora hosh karo yar….. atleast think of your families……. dekhou is pani k maslay k baray main jo hou ga so hou ga buh yahan par aisay comments likh kar kyun kisi k dil main apnay liyay nafrat daltay hou…… aik zamana tha jb we both nations were called subcontinent……. come on yar show some respect toward others…….. please dont make this world a hell….. please this is my request to both the nations….. thanks
August 16th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Dear Yahya, you have spoken very well and for what you, it needs cleasing of hearts. Our people are both good and harbour no ill will toeards each other but certain elements in Pakistan govt do not want peace to come as their vested interests suffer. So they keep the pot boiling.
My mother togue is spoken there in Pakistani punjab, our Gurudwaras are in Pakistan, we need each other as people as many relatives of Indian and Pakistani muslims live in both the countries. I am sorry to say that pakistan has made some wrong choices like Kargil, offending a bigger country like India, thinking India is all about Hindus and Hindus cant fight balh blah,…thanks to faulty thinking.
We are sorry we miss a great people to be friends with, that is pakistani people. May be one day, they will set the things right for them selves.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
India will have to stop stealig water otherwise it can lead to a disasterous phenomena whose responsible will be definitly be india.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
WHY GIVE A SINGLE DROP?
Friends this is absolute blasphemy on the part of these Pakistanis- ( ask anyone abroad and Pakistan will be termed as a lunatic state) – they support the terrorism in Kashmir, have active programs for kiling innocents in India and other countries, had the US not kicked their butt TALIBAN would have taken over Pakistan till now, the ENTIRE country is a PARASITE living off donations from the USA.
Name one politician / government official you have who has done some good for the poor folks of Pakistan.
Your government is actively engaged in colluding with international
gangsters and printing fake money and smuggling narcotics.
Your country is a hub for all the worst international terrorist groups and yet despite large public meetings your administration cannot see the activities of these groups and your foriegn minister wants India to give proof?
Can you name a single organization/ group that is actively engaged in the promotion of education and de-radicalization of the population.
The Quran teaches peace and discipline – respect for the women – care for children. All you are actively engaged in is multiplying the population and leaving the children to fend for themselves on the road. What is the percentage of literacy in Pakistan and how many organizations do you have working and how many govt programs working at achieving this?
Just because water is an immediate pain point, you as a typical pakistani have started cribbing about it. That is all you can do and that is all you have done ever since you have been in existence.
India could have kicked your country’s butt anytime – whether it was post Kargil or whether it was post the Mumbai blasts.
Pakistan would have nuked one or two Indian cities but Pakistan as a country would have ceased to exist from the surface of this earth.
All of you would have turned into vapour had it not been for India’s efforts in bringing peace and stability to this region.
Talking of all the treaties – you as a country violated the Shimla peace agreement and till date have not vacated POK.
So, what credibility do you have and on what ground are you writing this crap of international treaties and what not.
As a sensible Indian – I would still advise you to first look inwards- get your house in order, stop printing fake currency, kill the terrorists in your house, kill people like Dawood, stop being insecure and irresponsible, clean your own house, educate your children, have proper family planning programs, develop proper irrigation and infra development policies – make a begining – THE INDIANS ARE PEACEFUL NEIGHBORS AND THEY WILL HELP YOU SETTLE DOWN – think of trade and development and not Jihaad.
Your politicians and the army and the ISI are the root of the entire problem- the logic is simple- the more the trouble – the more they are needed. They are all working on an age old premise- if you cannot solve the problem- create a bigger one.
August 16th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
I read most of the posts on this blog and what is typical to note that the posts by most Indians are extremely critical but do not abusive whereas posts by most Pakistanis or those favoring Pakistan are “abusive” and religiously inclined with words like “Inshah Allah”…
CLEARLY SHOWS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE QUALITY OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE TWO SIDES OF THE BORDER.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:10 am
A bit surprised to c the kind of hatred Indians have for Pakistan. On this forum they have tried to avoid the topic of water crisis by bringing in the issue of terrorism in their country and by blaming every single incident on Pakistan. A very smart way to hide their internal security failure.
Well for all you Indians who have brought up the issue of terrorism, let me say that currently Pakistani govt. has collected enough evidence of Indian involvement in our province of Balochistan and NWFP. This evidence even includes pictures of RAW agents who are invloved in fueling unrest in the province. The same has recently been handed over to Indian govt. and its response is awaited. Indian govt. is so far quiet while Indian media is making sure that this issue does not surface in any way. Why is there no mention of this in any Indian newspaper?
Also there r clear indications that India is increasing its influence in Afghanistan and is very actively using elements in Afghanistan to destabilize Pakistan through Pak-Afghan border. Evidence of Indian involvement is also found in the attack on srilankan cricket team in Lahore.
Besides India has a history of intefering in all neighbouring countries like Sri-lanka, Bangladesh etc
Its the negative role played by Indian media which is involved in anti-Pakistan campaign and is maligning the image of our country.
August 17th, 2009 at 12:38 am
These pakis are hated all over the world. They need water for what ? training another batch of terrorists to attack India ? As of India attacking pakistan as many pakistani are challenging, simple check what happened in 1965, 1971 & the Kargil. I don’t think any sane paki (if there are any which I doubt)will dare to even think about it. Be happy with what you have.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:11 am
I am happy by hearing this that india violets 1960 law! because we feel that same way as the pakistan violetes all terror law .india puts all the efforts to go towards peaceful talks but pak didnt see seriously because there is no interest of pak to do this bec pak wants to stop the india growth rate because she fears that india became powerful and her petition towards the kashmir became weak. THIS IS TIT FOR TAT BEHAVIOUR OF INDIA FOR PAKISTAN !!!!!!!!!
August 17th, 2009 at 2:52 am
Well i guess this shows our mentality….both the peoples of Pakistan and India. The hatred that is prevalent in the hearts of both nations for each other. I wish there were more sensible people on both sides to diffuse the animosity rather than fuel it. My country Pakistan is unfortunate to have had governed by a bunch of baboons…..but i can say the same for India as well. It’s all well and good to say that we should be friendly towards each other as neighbours but 60+ years of conflict, animosity and hatred is not easy to forget. I do hope that by some miracle we learn to co-exist eventually and feel joy in each others successes and properity but easier said than done. What i can only do is request you all to not use this forum to promote hatred. We should have enough sense and civility to atleast get our points across without abusing and degrading one another.
August 17th, 2009 at 2:58 am
Stop the mercenaries FIRST….they are the same route the Chenab is.Let Pakisan take one friendly step…..India will follow.
August 17th, 2009 at 4:06 am
Dear All,
It’s a crazy, peculiar thing that only we,South Asians, are capable of doing!!! Giving gaaalis, swearing…no wonder the world still treats us as uncivilized!
I have friends across the region including Pakistanis,Bangladeshis,Srilankans,Nepalis( very close friends),Bhutanis…I am convinced we are basically same in our nature and disposition. When I worked in Bangladesh, Nepal, Gulf…all South Asians seemed to be like brothers, yet we take up cudgels against each other at the drop of a hat! What Mr. Malik says could be true…but please, Sir, remember that the relationship of India & Pakistan has gone beyond the normal humanitarian good neighborliness, sadly.
My colleagues in Gulf, who were Pakistanis treated us Indians like brothers, no different. So, whenever, it comes to disputes how come we behave like un-cultured lot?
Mr. Malik,I find your letter written well…and this could indeed be a starting point for a serious dialogue between the 2 nations. However, unfortunately, your elected govt. is pretty powerless! ISI ( the real powers) & the Pakistani Army all disdain any dialogue with India…they want to settle the humiliation suffered in all 3 wars vs. India. And the sinister way in which they go about ‘pricking’ India is not acceptable. All terrorist activities have been traced back to Pakistan and invariably pointing to the State ( in this case ISI & special army units). So how do we solve this?
I have a suggestion – clip the powers of Army, ISI to the necessary level by Acts in your Parliament…though I know this is wishful thinking! However, if that can be achieved somehow, the govts. of India and Pakistan can sit down to sincere, trustful dialogue on all issues – water, territory,trade, travel, resources….the works!It is really pathetic to see the Western powers interfering in this region, including our ruthless Chinese neighbours!! We are becoming prosperous and if all is settled, this region is billed to be one of the most prosperous regions in the world!
I have true sympathy for all farmers…whether it be Indian, Pakistani,Nepali, Bangladeshi or others. Truely, they are the people who are grounded and fearless…they deserve better…if only for our collective selfishness and stupidity!
Lastly, Mr.Malik, request you to please stand up for the Pakistani civil society, of whom farmers are a big chunk, and press your case genuinely & sincerely. It should not be done to stir jingoism or hatred. That way it will never be solved – guaranteed.
I do believe, there has to be truth & reconciliation between India & Pakistan and it can be done like in South Africa.
Nuclear war is un-imaginable – in such a scenario, most of what we know as Pakistan would cease to exist. India will also suffer heavy damage. Only, right thinking and civilized pepole can solve these matters, not the petty minded ones that are a majority, unfortunately, in these exchanges.
Best wishes for all!
Rajot
Delhi
August 17th, 2009 at 5:42 am
We have all missed the point. look at the sentiment. We are encouraging those who are creating reasons for the two neighbours to be daggar drawn regardless, to benefit thier ulterior motives. And that is we continue buying warring machine from them and give away our hard earned money in exchange of weapons. I humbly request all, that be aware of the third party which is responsible for the trouble in this part of the world. Remember that south east asia is a gifted piece of land, peace here will make us un-stoppable in progress, let us divert our attention to defeat the notion of the third party.
August 17th, 2009 at 5:42 am
I think for a better tomorow india and pakistan should resolve all outstanding issues including the current issue of water. It is astounding to see that how muc the ordinary indians hate us, as we don’t. any one who comment on the issue must be rational in his views
August 17th, 2009 at 6:54 am
U Pakis have the gall to demand water. Well the time has come for India to scrap the Indus Waters Treaty citing supreme national interest. Treaties cannot be adhered to with terrorist states. Hence the time has come to scrap the Indus Waters Treaty and block the flow of the waters of Indus and Jehlum to Terroriststan. Pakis aka terrorists must be deprived of water and all their agriculture must be destroyed so that terrorists start dying of thirst and hunger. Unless the terrorists like Hafeez Saeed, Masood Azhar, Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, Zarar Shah, Jalaluddin Haqqani, Sirajuddin Haqqani, Dawood Ibrahim, Tiger Memon. Ashfaq Kayani, Pervez Musharraf, Shuja Pasha etc are handed over to India so that the Indian people can mete out true justice to these evil people, Pakis must be made to die in huge numbers for their evil terrorist actions.
August 17th, 2009 at 7:14 am
There should be fair distribution of water and also the government should try to have some meaningful resolution to the issue. Pakistanis on the other hand should stand up against terrorism and weed it out. I really think peace is very important for prosperity of both countries.
August 17th, 2009 at 7:16 am
I dont even understand, why we indians are giving them any kind of attention. Neither our prime minister is gonna read any such letters, and nor we should. Let them cry, they deserve this. Just ignore guys, dont waste time. We have lots of other IMPORTANT work to be done, giving attentions to our idiot neighbours, will only result into wastage of time. Lets concentrate on our growth, super power position, economy, and leave them behind.
August 17th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Dear Friend have you ever thaught what pakistani Army is doing to Punjabi farmers. Recently there was heavy shelling on indian farmers what is their fault. Some say it was not PAK Army but these were militants? will your GOVT and you will pay some attention on this also. How much the loos India is facing ? what about misadventuers of Kargill? how much caualities our breave jawans had ? just because of some foolish thaughts. Was it part of any Accord? Did world bank is asked for the same. ? Did any international Instituations mentioned these clauses in any agreement? Fo you guys Kashmir is Issue for India it stand setteld rather you vacate the area under Pakistan.
August 17th, 2009 at 7:50 am
Is there any room in our hearts for Love towards each others?
Love always finds a way. If we love our neighbors we can find solution and we can live happily.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Hi Indians….. Love U Indians & Finally F***K U Indians….
Apni Bund wich lelo PaaNi,, Fir Yaad Aye gi Twanu Twadi NaaNi…..
Kanjer na hon tay… Saalay!
August 17th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Dear friend,
Thanks that I could pass my time with first part of your letter; sorry could not with latter as it was somniferous. May be I could write an open letter to Pakistani president some time I get bored.
Between, what is todays dinner?
Gokul
August 17th, 2009 at 10:55 am
i agree with you on this matter..honorable sajid ji
but what can we do in this process??!!
the indian government or urs government as i know..are not ready for any talks on these issues..they are simply interested in waging wars against each other..
beleive me..in india we too are dying without water..
we too face the same situation..of terrorism and all that crap..
it is time for us to grow up on this fact that we should do these things ourselves and not depend on somebody else..in this matter our governments..
n i suppose that dusn’t mean that each one of us goes to war with each other..
we guys have to stop fighting and find out a solution ourselves..
i don’t tell you to be a brother of mine or anybody else in that matter..coz me myself i fight a lot with my brother and that results in both of us getting hurt very badly..
i can treat you as my friend b’coz no matter how much i fight with my friends we are always smilin at each other thinking about how silly we were , the next day!
all the best !!
August 17th, 2009 at 10:56 am
UFO ISM and all pakistanis be ready to real hell in pakistan.
Jai Hind
August 17th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Wow, this was enlightening; only to a pretty ignorant soul like me, perhaps, but I had no idea that the real issue was water!!! I kept thinking it was only nationalist pride or something along those lines…
August 17th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Troblem is if snybody is gonna listen to watever is being discssed here
lol
August 17th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
nice work ibrahim, i loved the way you addressed this issue. we’ll be on verge of war with india after a few years because of this water shortage and pakistan turning into a desert
August 17th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
All u Pakis, please start a signature campaign to become part of india and all your problems will be solved once and for all….
August 17th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Dear Indians,
I have read many comments. I want to ask only one question to India. Why they are blaming Pakistan for terrorist attacks in Mombay?
Mombay is your city man & its your duty to safeguard your cities and people & places etc. Where were your armed & security forces. where were your polic. If terrorists came through sea why your navy did’nt stop them. Are they sleeping.Its your security laps and not a Paki govt plan. If some criminals are hiddng in Paki area it doesnt mean that Paki govt are sending them to attack on Indian hotels.
India should tighen its security instead of balming Pakistan for terrorism because Pakistan was itself under terroriests attacks and by the Grace of God and our brave army we have controlled almost 80% of that criminals. Thats what India shold do.
August 17th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Dear Shams,
This is best Pakistani comment in the entire page. Blame the POLICE instead of the ATTACKERS.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Have you ever seen a bulb blinking, it only denotes two things, either the lights gonna go off or the bulb is going to die,
Thats the condition with Pakistan. And you people have no right to call India an Extremist Hindu Nation. The problem with Pakistan is, it is writing cheques it can’t cash. And for your information, we wont be needing to utilise our valuable resources and military hardware to destroy you… You people are good and it and you people will succeed Inshah Allah. And tomorrow in aakirath you might be the biggest lot of muslims sent to jahaannum for the deeds you have committed.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Dear Bulwinder, India is the super power in this region, its what you think. you said india has not broken any law, its wrong. india has broken the most basic law of human liberation since its independence.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Pakistanis are talking about water while on a continuing basis breeding and sending across trained terrorists to Indian soil in an effort to provoke war. And to quote another person who has commented-What goes around, comes around- as Pakistan will one day learn.
August 17th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Kabhi apne bheje ko bhi istimaal karo.
India aur pakistan dono hi bewakoof hai. Jahan dono desho mein itni gareebi, itni bimari, itni takleef hai, unko aur takleef mein dekhne ka kiska fayeda hai? Kabhi apne mulkon ke sardaro se poocho ki aapas me ladne ke siwaye kuch ummeed rakh sakte hain?
Pakistan ko China aur US support karti hai.
India ko Russia aur US support karti hai.
Kya support kartein hai yeh khokle desh? Dono mulkon ko fighter planes, ships, nuclear submarines, nuclear technology, bombs, guns, yeh sab bechke support kar rahein hai? Humarein gareeb janta ke zindagi mein voh paise kitni khushi laa sakti hai, lekin yeh supporter desh aisa kabhi nahi chahti hai.
Ek doosre ke saath rehna hoga, EU ke model ko dekho, kuch samjho, allah ya bhagwaan ne hum sub ko ek dimaag diya hai, usse sadne mat do, uska istimaal sahi tareeke se karo.
Kitne bure din hai yeh, jab bhai hi bhai ka dushman hai? Kab jaagegein log? Kab hoga ek naya sawera?
August 18th, 2009 at 12:01 am
I think its not fair we should have equel rights for using our water.Pakistan is an agricultural country and 70% of our population is dependented on agriculture so better to give our right.
August 18th, 2009 at 1:05 am
Hey to all Pakistani’s , rather than commenting on these issues check your inflation rates even if we give you extra water than mentioned you will not be able to survive … cause your economy is out of control
and one more thing commenting in any language ,with/without mistakes does not make one better than anyone .. you have the freedom
Mr. Sajid you came up with a good issue but one more thing do look for other issues inside your own country … and trust the world press you have a lot of them ..
as of this issue i am damn sure our government worked on it before you even could think of writing this issue …
HAIL INDIA
August 18th, 2009 at 1:05 am
I had a very hilarious time reading through all the posts. it is one amazing time pass that I got.
Kudos to all the writers for giving here their piece of mind [ and shit ]
Among other things what i can understand is -
1 ] paki citizens are being fed intellectual crap – they all seem to believe that india attacked them and that the pakis really believe that they have ever won a war – what a joke. get the basics right morons. India is the only nation [ not just a country ] which has never attacked a single country in the entire history of civilization. it was always attacked first. India has won all wars it had to fight with [na]pak. Indians are everywhere in the world. you can take a person out of India, but you cant take India out of the person
2 ] India is right if it uses water diplomacy to its benefit – this is what is called as raajniti or good politics.
3 ] Paki is not exactly a friendly state, on the contrary it is a fallen state which sends state sponsored terrorism. Paki preZ admitted that they created terrorists and supported them, and now they are eating pakistan only. boye ped babool ke toh aam kahan se hoye [ if you sow acacia plant - u cannot get mangoes ]
4 ] solution to paki problem – some defence analysts have suggested the follows as a permanent solution to the problem of humanity created by pakis
make sindh, paki punjab and balochistan as respective independent countries . FATA and NWFP goes to afganistan and illegally occupied kashmir [ POK ] should be given back [ reunited ] to India.
5 ] All the world is seeing is a failed nation pakistan, which has a perpetual begging bowl in one hand asking for donations from countries in the world like US and while on the other hand it has a weapon of mass murder on the other hand. sooner or later the wounds that pakistan has self inflicted on itself will make it disintegrate.
6 ] if pakis do not learn their lessons well – and repeat same napak games with india and it’s own section of people, I would not be surprised if India helps sindhis and balochis gain independence from pakistani mis rule.
7 ] on an average the paki public is mis informed, badly tutored, and abusive swine and have been fed only with hatred against India.
8 ] Pakistan and muslims are different . India is Home to more muslims than pakistan. Indian muslims have learnt how napak pakistan is.
9 ] pakis should really start a signature campaign to beg to be a Part of India. That’s their only salvation.
10 ] get a life dudes in pakistan – you are being taken for a ride n believe in it. shame on ur sucking country.
August 18th, 2009 at 2:20 am
haha….no water for Pakistanis !! their govt funds cross border terror..n still they expect favours from india..the guy whos written this letter seems stupid !!
August 18th, 2009 at 4:19 am
Dear friends,
First of all I am thankful to Mr. Ibrahim Sajid for this good effort. I am a Hydropower Engineer working on a project in Pakistan. All Indian Nation know that there government is doing wrong with Pakistan by using our water but problem is that they are getting benifit from it and they dont want to loose this. Even my one friend from India who is also a Hydropower expert accept that India is doing wrong with Pakistan by controling water on Chenab and Jhelum River.
August 18th, 2009 at 4:43 am
I am surpised that Pakistani leadership and media never make any noise about the water issue. they only keep on harping on kashmir issue and human rights issue [ despite having a lousy human rights record in their own ocountry].
mr ibrahim sajid mallick has to do their job that is if there is any iota of truth in facts and arguments proffered by him. I have a slight suspicion of a false propganda campaign initiated by Pakistanis, who are obseessed with India.
On the other hand, water is essential to life and there should be fair and just usage. But the world we live in is not fair. people and particularly politicians have axes to grind and are forced to take combative public stances, ruling out any concessions lest they be seen as weak and lose power to misrule.
Globally, upstream countries and states take advantage of water resource. China is doing a similar thing to India by bulding dams on sutlej. sometimes they cause flash floods killing hundreds of people by suddenly releasing millions of cusecs. In our country Tamilnadu and Karnataka have a decades long running dispute. Israel has big dispute over water with all its neigbours.
India is a good and peaceful neighbour. even if there have been 3 wars between india & pakistan, India never started any war. Govt of pakistan should take this to Govt of India and should find a fair and equitable soultion.
Mr. Mallick is possibly over-reavting and over-reaching his job, because of sacnty rains in the Indian sub-continent this year. Mr. Malick should be sending the letter to his govt asking them as to why are they failing to deliver even after 62 years of self governance.
August 18th, 2009 at 5:27 am
Let us try to understand one simple fact that the army in Pakistan is not interested in India and Pakistan living in peace. So are some other countries who have an axe to grind. Forget about water problem or border issues. If the political will is there on both sides, there is no one who can prvent Indians and Pakistanis to live in peace. And is there is no problem which is insurmountable, even Kashmir. All Indian Prime Ministers have shown inclination to live in peace, but it has to be reciprocated from Pakistan’s side. As a citizen of India, my advice to you is support the elected government of Pakistan so that the military, which is in hibernation, right now, does not raise it’s head on some pretext and topple the elected Pakistan government. This elected government should be pressurised by the people of Pakistan to settle outstanding isssues between India and Pakistan, including Kashmir. After all, we have a common heritage and a common culture and it’s strange that Britishers sowed the seed of distrust between us 62 years back and we still carry the same.
August 18th, 2009 at 5:43 am
I think this is the time to solve the differences between the two countries or we have to face the consequences. India must realize the importance of peace in the region and respect other’s right to live.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Why should India care about supplying water to pak farmers when pak doesn’t even care about respecting Indian lives and territory? Half a dozen Indian states are in a drought situation as it is. One-sided arguments can be made by anybody – Pakistanis are especially good at that. That’s how they have managed to pull the wool over the world’s eyes for so many decades now!
August 18th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
this is stupid
August 18th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
The Pakistani policy makers thought India could be bullied and they started with the Terrorism as an Instrument of State Policy. They were wrong. The problem with Pakistan is that it continues to make wrong choices, sufficient to endanger its own existence. it thinks that countries like China would come to its help…again wrong. Everybody would simply go by their national interests and not to save someone.
Pakis6tani carries on with old fashioned view of Hindus, as if they were coward or something, carries on hate compaign against india. It continues to forget that in needs India more than India needs Pakistan.
So…….try Pakistan, try, you may succeed some day but watch out, you are already out of breath.
August 20th, 2009 at 7:06 am
This is not what Mr jinnah has visualised for pakistan to be like.Here we have Pakistan hounded by armies run by mullas. Here we have Pakistan where Govt. is a Public Relation department of Army.
They (Govt) can not talk with any credibility. finally i think it is upto the people of Pakistan to settle its own destiny…a safe future for their children or guns , false pride coipled with shirking of their duty to wards their people.
India cant be used to tell pakistani people as if all their ills are India’s doing. you can befool some people for all the time, you can befool all the people for some time, but you can not befool all the people for all the time.
August 21st, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Dear Ghumman Sahib,
inna te tussi vi samajhde ho ke vadde bhai nu draa dhamkaa ke tussi us kolo kuch lai nahi sakde. Traties appani thaa’n te par ik treaty taa’n hi chaldai hai je done jaane us nu nibha-on de chahvaan hon. Je tussi ithe hovo’n taa’n dekho ke Pakistan Kashmir baare ki ki jhooth bol ke loka nu varglaa reha hai te khud kashmiri bhrawaa’n vaste aukadaa’n paida kar reha hai.
Pani thonu vi chaihda hai, pani saanu vi chaida hai. Je pakistani preshaan hon pani karke ya kisse hor vajah karke, taa’n assi vi preshaan unna de naal hi hoyiye, eho jihe rishte hon-ge taa’n hi eh treatiaa’n kamm kardiaa’n ne.
Tussi jatt ho, mai’n vi jatt haa’n. Pani di lodwandi yani zaroorat nu bahut nazdeek to jaan-de haa’n. Par ye Pakistani Intezamia da ehi nazaria reha ke India nu preshan karo te taa’n hi pani milega, taa’n mera khyal hai eh galat sochna hai
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:32 pm
The comments by most of the Indians here prove the views shared by many ppl in the muslim world.. that logics serve no pupose when the other party is simply not willing to understand logic!
Ok, so these Indians think they can put forward what they call pak’s terrorism as an excuse to do whatever they want to do against us..?
r they totally ignorant of the fact that RAW is totally involved in the terrorist activities (so-called separatist movement) in baluchistan ? there r undeniable proofs everywhere (even on the internet.. (u may search for the truth; that is, if the way Indian PM’s reacted to the blame doesnt tell u anything!)
So if the indians really think exporting terrorism is a mistake that backfires in the long run, they need to tell that to their own govt!
btw, whats the WORST scenario the indian govt wishes for pakistan?.. a split-up!? buss?? uDo they think an instable pakistan would suit india? They couldnt me more wrong! Lets not forget india’s record againt the ambitious afghani/pathan plunderers (read rulers)! In case of the weakening of the main stabilizing player (pakistan) between afghanistan and india, these guys would likely bring a lot of trouble to the india trying to get a jump start into the ultra-modern, ultra-peaceful/comfortable times on the lines of its current mentor, the US !!
its more real a possibility than most ppl think it is!!
ok i’ll let u into a simple secret.. the main diff between pak and india..
pak was created in the name of religion. That religion is not dependent upon a state.. a muslim remains a muslim whether a pakistani or not!
Thats our bigger (BIGGEST) identity and strength! there is no more sorrow in pakistan for creation of bangladesh (india’s biggest self-proclaimed achievement).. coz we have started to think of them as our fellow muslim brothers.. hence the cordial relations since! so all india has done is to create 2 muslim states out of one, (something that was otherwise inevitable from day 1 owing to the indian hatred for pakistan, the HOSTILE distance between the two pakistans, and the follies (yes) of pakistani leadership of the time..)
however, its not the same for the indians.. for whom faith/religion is totally related to, and almost totally rooted in their mother-land ..which is exactly why they were so frustrated at mother-india’s break-up and explains the hindus’ agrressive behaviour against the minority, the muslims. That anger still shows here..!! And is never ending no matter what pakistan does, and it will never allow the indians to have good terms with pakistan, and will prompt the indians to find logics (good or bad) to maintain bad relations..
At this point, let me clearly and frankly tell our eastern neighbours something.. baluchistan is NOT going anywhere..despite decades of indian-backed and funded-terrorism there..! take my word for it..!
Now, about kashmir, yes lets admit, xternal muslims went to fight in kashmir, using pakistan.. (pakistan didnt have the money, it came from somewhere else), but yes pakistani ppl also did go to fight there, and many muslim countries also did not stop their mujahideen going to pakistan and then crossing over to india; but thanks to the biggest lie in history (9/11) india got the world’s support againt the kashmiri military movement.. and had to employ no less than 550,000 of its troops there permanently to control the situation!
But the current situation in kashmir is different.. the latest uprising is totally indigenous/homegrown and this time, like anywhere in the world, it would be different, much more difficult to curb.. its a matter of not more than 5-10 years!
By the way, it would be interesting to know how many indians actually know abt the history of the kashmir issue.. n why india went back on its promise of a plebisite (same method that gave East Timor its independence).. I guarantee any indian who can convince him/herself to finding the real truth abt kashmir would discover what injustice india has done to the kashmiris and why no amount of superficial words n so-called development programmes for kashmir will ever make a difference to the kashmiri ppl’s hatred for india..
and what about more than a dozen other ALIVE freedom movements in india? well AT LEAST ONE is a big headache for indians at the moment.. and yes despite their openly hostile media campaign against pakistan, india has never really claimed pakistani involvement in them! forget baluchistan indians, u r already doing the dirtiest (ur best) u can over there.. urs is a fragile glass house too.. only a slight change of situation can spell big trouble for india on the doemstic front!
We know the indians (read ‘those indians who know what america is and what IT is’) r presently enjoying the current spell of attention they r getting from the US. But we all know what thats for.. 1. countering china.. 2. countering pakistan .. 3. cheap IT n labour.. 4. big indian population=big market!
So let them enjoy the friendship of the country that has no real friends, and befriends everyone who suits their on-going ambitions!
In conclusion, if any indians r reading this, plz search for the truth, find out the neutral side of the kashmir story, see what a kashmiri wants, find out what ur govt is doing in baluchistan, discover what the Indus Water Treaty actually implies!
if u chose not to, i have no grudges against u.. we have lived together for centuries, we have loved and then hated each other, we have fought with each other, we have learnt to doubt each other’s intentions..!!
let the course of time decide what happens to u n me..
till then..
best of luck to us
September 9th, 2009 at 7:42 am
Haha…Seems like Pakistanis like to blame India for everything thats wrong with them. Guys, set your house in order. I am a young Indian and I dont give a damn about your country. All I want is to do well in life. And thats the outlook of all Indians my age. Really guys, stop blaming us and for a change do something that does not involve guns, explosives and sending terrorists to other countries. We dont want to fight a war with you. You know why? Coz we got much better things to do like setting by some of the best and world class organizations in the world, institutions of learning and generally trying not get blown up or blow things up at busy streets, unlike your people. There was a time when I really thought peace between us was possible and was a worthy goal. Mumbai attacks (train bombs and 9/11) changed all that. And the reaction and total lack of concern on your part changes that view. Yet, I dont want my country to go to war. we have better things to do. Honestly, do you people really have the delusion that you can still compete with us, may be with help from China and US money. Well forget it. You are just getting used. I will say again, set ur house in order.
I may later regret my rants here. I tend to generally respect feelings of patriotism in people. We all love our respective countries. I also have a friend in Pakistan. But now, I dont really bother to hide my anger.
September 10th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
@Natural Justice: I don’t know who you are buddy. I am an Indian and I think you really need to get your head into some history textbooks and clear some of your facts. India did not win the war against Pakistan. Neither did Pakistan. We’d both signed an agreement called the Tashkent declaration.
I don’t get people like you. It is not the past that is keeping my country away from its neighbor… it is people like you. Just think; Hundreds of farmers in Pakistan are losing their crop because we’ve carelessly put a dam across a water source. How different are we then, from any tyrannical rule? And for heaven’s sake, what is the obsession with fights??!! Get over it! Don’t you feel sick in the heart to know that you are not on good terms with people living next doors? That a few hundred miles away from your home there could people who spit at the thought of an Indian? There are enough troubles in the world today, with epidemics and disasters… There are enough people dying. Would you start caring about the ones living? Let’s get out of these narrow boundaries of ‘nations’ and start thinking of humanity. We are all humans at the end of it. We have to help each other an make this world a little better.
So if you can’t calm troubled waters, stop aggravating them.
I’ll be theakful for that.@Natural Justice: @Rajotavo DasGupta:
September 10th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
@Sandip Dev: please speak for yourself dude… I am a young Indian too, but There is nothing as important to me as good relations with the people across the border. And I happen to know atleast 350 people like me personally. so don’t blanket us all in your comments. And before you go any further and comment about my integritty, let me tell you. I lost a friend and a brother in the two attacks in mumbai. I am a journalism student and was informally covering the attack at the Taj myself. If I can still think of this clearly and be rational and unbiased about, I don’t think you have a ground to be this irrationally ‘angry’
September 10th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
@yahya khan: I totally agree with you! I don’t know on which side of the border you belong, but whichever you do, I agree with you completely. Jo hogaya woh kal ki bat thi…. ab naye kal keliye kuch acha sochna chahiye…. let’s make wars a part of the past… not the future…
September 13th, 2009 at 8:06 am
What and extreme load of cr*p…Mr. Sajid Malick , I have never heard of u or read ur blog before…infact I chanced upon ur article via a facebook blog..I dunno how much you care about India or Pakistan but u sure as hell as propagandizing a lot.
I dono wat ur aim is by this article.. If u really wanted the indian prime minister to read this you would have written him a letter but u did not do so, I mean doesnt at all come as a surprise to me that u didnt as this letter wasnt meant for him to read at all.
Infact this is something to create hatred among Pakistanis and Indians…I love and respect our Pakistani brothers..I have nothing against the common man there but Mr. Malick, u my friend are the prime cause for the hatred among indians and pakistanis…Infact what is the difference between Indians and Pakistanis…We are the same….We all want to lead a happy life free from trouble, terrorism, i am sure there are as many accidents and bomb blasts in Pakistan as India, so tht cannot be blamed on any country, Why are u trying to belittle India by saying (I quote) ‘this is an open attempt to store water and control how much will be allowed to flow to Pakistan. ‘
That is very proactive of u,as it hasnt even happened,yes, and if we start listing our complaints, we will be no different from Mr. Malick…Instead I will try to keep my hands clean, be a good citizen, promote a good government and keep my house welll.
You should do the same…Inflaming people against their own brothers is not going to help…If everyone swept their own house and doorstep, the whole world would be clean.
~~Adios~~
September 13th, 2009 at 8:13 am
@Tabreize:
Hey a**hole,
are u and the writer gay with each other becoz u and evry1 else..even indians are joining in on the Inflammation of this topic…Temme something a**hole ,Wat do u do? Do u have a job? If u do y dont u do that instead, if u want to do something for ur fellow men…do charity… help out in charity work…do it for free…Wat muslims are muslims everywhere and they are ur brothers…A$$HOLE muslims are humans and so are hindus, christians, sikhs,jews and ppl of every other religion…God is one or so tells me the Quran… Stop it please…
Live and Let live
September 13th, 2009 at 8:33 am
@Natural Justice:
Here is and Indian A$$hole, y do u think u know everything ? and Why are Pakistanis are to blame for everything, By calling lemsthem swine and napak , u are destroying the image of our nation..When a dog bites, you dont bite back, u medicate urslf.
Ask urslf what do u want? U read this whole page(I didn’t) and u didn’t realize the ill will tht was being further inflamed? That means u are a moron.
Peaceful coexistence can only happen if people like you stop abusing each other..I am an Indian and people like you make me less PROUD of my great nation
September 16th, 2009 at 6:42 am
When I lived in London, I would shop for groceries in a neighbourhood shop run by Pakistani immigrants. We spoke the same language and were happy to meet each other. Infact I would dine a a restaurant run by a Sri Lankan family, and here again the tastes were familiar. 1947 was a sad year for our people. Whatever were the thought processes, belief systems – today we people pay the price in pain and suffering. We allow ourselves to divide and unite ourselves along caste and creed. Spiritually India as a people stretched from Afghanistan to Myanmar. Any Army is composed of people from across the country, and you trust that person with your life ! My family are from Himachal and lived in Lahore before the partition. Socially defined I am born a Hindu, but I have relatives of Muslim and Christan descent. I love and I am inspired by the Prophet Mohammad, Lord Krishna, Guru Nanak, Jesus, Buddha; all who as people walked this earth. So a border was created in 1947 and thousands have died and suffered for it. The only thing that actually differentiates us is thought, and we all know how fleeting and changing thoughts are ! We are the world. Let us reduce populations, one couple one child, so our planet’s resources become abundant for our children. Let us create states/zones on administrative effectiveness not caste and creed. let us make the world one. No body’s culture or belief is threatened; are they that fragile ? Yes there is an amalgamation through which beliefs, knowledge, cuisine, customs, etc. come together and create something more beautiful. I am sure one can get a kabab, dosa or burger almost anywhere in the world; as are namaste, salaam and hello recognised in many places. Why are we afraid ? And of what ? Just thoughts
When populations come down, the pressure of limited resources evaporates. A tighter, healthier, smarter, aware and technologically savvy world population existing and sharing each others uniquenesses in abundance and happiness. Tomorrow some Jinnah or Gandhi arises, respected on both sides of the IndoPak border, and the border evaporates and we are one people (one world) again. Don’t say it can’t happen. Anything thing can happen. The greatest empires have faded away, right 
So then what of all the above dialogue and bitterness, and what of the soldier and people dying ? There are better ways to control the population explosion and a flickering mind. Come one, are we not smarter. Are we compassionate ? All we have is NOW, and US. The past is lived and the future untouchable/unknowable. Happiness is NOW in US. If I truly love myself, I cannot hate. This I KNOW.
September 20th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Why should we win the hearts and minds of pakis, when they are busy bombing and terrorising our people. You cannot clap with one hand.
First stop aiding and abetting cross border terrorist and Islamic terror attacks thenwe will talk about water,earth etc.
September 22nd, 2009 at 11:14 am
the problem we are toking about cannot be solved so easily as long as there is the issue of crass border terrorism.the other issues can and will be solved only if there is an end to the terrorism from across the border.
October 2nd, 2009 at 5:39 am
Youk pakis are donkeys. You marry your own sisters . Bloody idiots. A**holes Eat sh**.
October 8th, 2009 at 7:19 am
Janab M.ZAIN-UL-ABIDIN KHAN Kya Baat Hai .. Aapnay To Mehfill lootleee.
Muqararr! Muqararr!
October 8th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Your Father: Lag Ta Hai Tu Ghday Ka Shoqeen Hai.. Aaaja Ghaday Ka Lay Lay:) LOL
Phir Tu Bhi Bolya Ga: Dehnchoo ! Dehnchoo ! Dehnchoo !
October 13th, 2009 at 3:50 am
It’s an open letter to the Indian PM and people should response in good manners after all each one is showing their character 1st and after that they represent the nation.
October 17th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
well sir….well put….every word you say !! an orator is as good as the words he chooses and the words presented are as good as the facts he provides to suffice them.
what i would like to bring into everyone’s notice is how bad the state of pakistan is presently. the energy there is purely distructive in nature. please notice the arguments put up by pakistani (i dare say) friends.
it has anger, words that indicate anger. please make a differnce in that attitude, we will live more harmonously !!
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:16 am
I agree with your letter (which I reasd by chance today, the 23rd Oct 09) to the Pakistan-born (Chakwal) Prime minister of India. The same District Jhelum has not produced any world class truly worthwhile Muslim.
The salutary tragedy of Pakistan are its rabidly corrupt, pompous and HEDONIST leaders who are in fact geedars/jackals (vermin/parasites) exploiting and looting it wholesale.
Regards
BARRISTER SYYED IQBAL JAFREE
Lahore, Pakistan
October 28th, 2009 at 12:58 am
@Sami Lughmani:
yes they are very hardworking and jolly people
November 8th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Well….I will not give you past refferences regarding any treaty….
I will Say Direct without making any Confused Statment….
Actually Israel is Forcing india to block the water resources from Kashmir as you(india) have controlled….Means Israel is the Real Enemy of we ppl….Rite..!!
November 24th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
@Anu: Us indian are red-indians lolz
November 28th, 2009 at 8:53 am
I am an Indian. But i don’t feel Pakistan is all evil and India is all angel. We both lie somewhere in the middle. Life is not a fairy tale. I don’t believe in writing comments to blog posts. I guess you can see my mail address. Contact me for an open minded discussion. I would love to see the perspective across the border.
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:12 pm
@Nageen: its a strange thing that when its about the issue at stake, your saying that you cant hold a talks with a terrorist neighbor, sorry to say but these dual-standards dont work.
Get a life and open your mind, instead of just blaming and running!
As for the war lovers from both sides, id suggest get a life and start doing something worthy!
December 4th, 2009 at 5:19 am
Guys did u notice what a person named bilal usmani had to offer…………”you indians lost the 1965″ battle.
lol!!!!!
Ok I am someone who knows Manmohan Singh, so i will respond to this letter on his behalf.
Dear Saajid Sahab
A lot of innocent citizens of my country are losing life for nothing in the hands of exremists bred in Pakistan( whom i love otherwise). Now the people who die, there famillies need to be compensated with whatever we can. We also have to incurr huge amounts of expenditure both in terms of finance and energy in building necessary infrastructure for counter terrorism. Now as we all know my friend everything costs and all these things dont come for free. So how do we get this money? We get by building dams and and manufacturing hydro electric projects that help the growth of our countries eceonomy, right? so please dont complain any further. And obviously we cant even allow a situation where our people are killed and there famillies are left to die behind. Moroever our faith in democratic principles does not allow us to administer arbitrary awards and you see we have to waste money on trying KAsaab now. I am hopefull my friends in Pakistan will be cooperative enough.
Coming to a more important point. I am not well versed with the day to day schedule of Mr Gilani, but you see in our country The Prime Ministers post is very demanding and so obviously i am always at a short of time. Now please from the next time try mailing it to my office in Delhi as I cant possibly have the time to go through every blog posted about India and reply to it. However I am a great admirer of creativitry and if this was meant to be an innovative public stunt I must admit that I am very impressed indeed. I would also take the opportunity to thank Saptarshi my fellow Indian brother for helping me out with this. But please be carefull next time as even he might not prefer to stay jobless all day and night like many of my other brothers on the other end of the border.
I think joblessness is the main issue out here. these people who have nothing to do are best examples of “idle mind is devil’s workshop”. Just think of kasab………….what a great waste of talent and youthfullness.
regards
Dr Manmohan Singh
*Disclaimer-Saptarshi will be entitled to put forward his own creative expressions and his own opinions within the main letter. (after all even Indian youth is pretty talented)
December 5th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Quite disappointing ! only remember ALLAH and ask for HIS help, if or whenever you die you should die with HIS name. No one knows if somebody goes for good but it leads to bad.
I know hindu/indian also worship ALLAH but with different names, even then we knows that we don’t help ourselves but ALLAH do and both nations are not communist.
Muslim’s don’t scare of death as it is only a test period and no one can predict anyone’s death time, it has to come sooner or later.
(Note: don’t think i am leading out of topic, but it is the root don’t beg anyone else then ALLAH)
December 5th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
@mili: I agree its important to have good relations with neighbors. What I meant was that, young Indians have better things to do than obsessing about a truant neighbor. No one in India wants war. We want to peacefully co-exist. Just that some people in Pakistan don’t really like that idea. It seems that hating Indians is the prime reason for Pakistan’s existence. They need to get over it. Its doing them no good. They are bleeding worse than us.
December 17th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
It is a pleasant winter morning here as I plan my day and suddenly I come across this forum.
Well, history is evident that the mass has always been ruled and governed as per the requirement. It is a game to rule and to be ruled. India or Pakistan whatever. Big politics big game- A feel good factor is felt when some new nuclear capable missile is launched or some new generation fighter aircraft is acquired in respective countries-eloquently and subtly promoted as a matter of national pride. But who knows the inside story? Lockheed martin or Boeing or Sukhoi gets celestial amount when they sell F-16 or Sukhoi for that matter. They know the crafts will be used against each other but who cares?! The thing that matters is Billions of Dollars and developing countries like India or Pakistan. And bloody leaders gets hand on a handsome fraction of this whole deal. The amount spent on warfares and war machines could have created wonders, if used for education or social uplift.
Now people talk of war in this forum getting ecstatic and feeling adrenalin rushing in their system. I bet if many of you have been to a trauma center of a hospital holding hands of someone dying in front of your eyes very slowly–especially a 7 year kid or 25 year young gentleman? The death is not so heroic always in war–it is gory and heart wrenching. Many of the gentlemen on this forum can’t even see it and throw it up for sure-ask a soldier who collected body parts of his fellow soldier, who just shared his morning tea with him an hour ago! It is easy to type war on a laptop or watch in some non-sense movies.
Why can’t we people get away from all this and think some what progressive. These countries do not require missiles and submarines but drinking water, food & education.
You continue this endless discussion…India or Pakistan or whatever I got to attend my work and I am just planning out on my weekend that is of paramount importance for me. If a war escalates I will be not part of it but will be passively ironically because the bombs don’t differentiate between Hindu or Muslim, that blow apart anything breathing or non breathing!
Signing off with this quote:
“They wrote in the old days that it is sweet and fitting to die for one’s country. But in modern war, there is nothing sweet nor fitting in your dying. You will die like a dog for no good reason.”–Ernest Hemmingway
January 1st, 2010 at 2:18 am
Just wait for some time when INDIANS will be pumped by JEWS. and the hidden truth will be revealed.
January 27th, 2010 at 8:16 am
indo-pak friendship is the cry of the hour.
barrister syyed iqbal geoffrey
January 28th, 2010 at 1:18 am
At this occassion i recall /wish that if Gandhi had been alive he wiuld have taken a well justified decession—–The new generation does not know that Gandhi gave life for Pakistan —In 1948 Indian Governement was not willing to pay Rs 55 or 90 crore to Pakistan which was its genuine share –Then due to huger strike of Gandhi money was given to Pakistan—The indian Hindu Mr Godse killed Gandhi because Godse said that Gandhi was a Pakistani agent Mr Nazeer Naji pof Pakistan has said in his article of JANG karachi 5th January 2010 that new generation of Pakistan dose not know that Gandhi gave life for Pakistan