When I advocate reform in Pakistan’s power structure or express hope that democracy will soon hold sway in Pakistan, my critics often label me an ‘American agent.’ Many young Pakistanis also opine that questioning ISI’s role is tantamount to compromising the country’s sovereignty.
Taking a look back at Pakistan’s history, however, exposes the hypocrisy of such assertions. It was, in fact, during Gen.Zia ul Haq’s rule that the US was allowed to construct five ‘intelligence and recon basses’ in Pakistan. It was under Gen. Musharaf’s rule that Pakistan compromised the security of it’s nuclear assets, allowed drone attacks, handed over Pakistani civilians to the CIA and allowed Blackwater to launch covert operations.
By now we all know about Seymour Hersh article in New Yorker. I have been wary of Mr. Hersch’s unnamed sources and questioned timing of his stories.
But Jeremy Scahill who writes for The Nation Magazine is a straight shooter. In his latest article in The Nation journalist Jeremy Scahill has revealed that Blackwater is secretly operating in Pakistan under a covert program that includes planning the assassination and kidnapping of Taliban and Al Qaeda suspects. Blackwater is also said to be involved in a previously undisclosed U.S. military drone campaign that has killed scores of people inside Pakistan. Blackwater operatives have been working under a covert program run by the Joint Special Operations Command, the military’s top covert operations force. The previously undisclosed JSOC operations would mark the first known confirmation of U.S. military activity inside Pakistan.
This was possible because in 2006 Gen. Pervez Musharaf struck a deal with the Bush administration that allows U.S. Special Operations forces from the Joint Special Operations Command to enter Pakistan with the understanding that they were, “following the target.”
Indeed, if you read Pakistan’s short history you will find that our Army has always served America’s interest and its foreign policy has been congruent with US policy in the region. Although our nation’s key decision to stand in America’s camp pre-dates the Ayub regime, it was during our first martial law that Pakistan’s anti-imperialist forces were completely crushed.
America was the clear winner when, on April 17th 1953, Pakistan’s third Governor General Malik Ghulam Mohammad dismissed Prime Minister Khawaja Nazimuddin who had then enjoyed the confidence of the parliament. Mohammad Ali Bogra was appointed to form a government the same day. Looking through declassified documents at the US National Archives you will understand that the main benefactors of the change were always two elements, Pakistan’s army and the US.
Please see blow the US ambassador’s telegram from the embassy in Karachi sent on April 18th, 1953.
Two more significant telegrams sent from the US embassy in Karachi clearly indicate that: America was fearful of Pakistan’s left inclined politicians and Ayub Khan was being encouraged to take control ie. “a coup by a military dictatorship”.
I will be adding to more documents here to deconstruct the notion that Pakistan’s army is anti-imperialist. Secondly, I will also continue to question the assertions of many that Pakistan’s Army is truly religious. It only promoted and protected Islamist elements to serve U.S. interests. Ironically Pakistan’s army also promoted westernized voices in early parts of it history, also at the behest of it’s American masters. A religious bigot like Zia ul Haq was built-up when America wanted to exploit religious sentiments. And, Gen. Musharaf was nurtured as a ‘westernized’ voice when that was the need of the day. This willingness to be anything the U.S. wants is often observed by Pakistan watchers who say: if America wants a transvestite, the Pakistan army will hurry up and promote a hijra through it’s rank.
November 26th, 2009 at 7:57 am
Truesay. Pakistan army is interested in ruling over the country and exploiting its resources. When Americans support democracy in Pakistan, they are actually pressuring the army to be more loyal. So we see the opposition to Kerry-Lugar bill. However, if the negotiatios with Taliban in Afghanistan succeed, Pakistan army could be allowed to regain the same status of relationship it has enjoyed in the past. What would that mean for democracy in Pakistan or Pakistan’s relations with India? Guess!
November 26th, 2009 at 10:30 am
I am sure Pakistan army had been pro-America in past. Pakistan as a nation was pro-America before. But times have changed. I don’t think you analysis is right. You just want to malign pakistan army.
November 26th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
This is also true for PPP. If USA wants a transvestite, PPP will make a HIJRA as its chairperson and label it Bhutto and make it the candidate for Presidency/Prime Ministership.
November 26th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
how ur blog come in facebook?sponsored or what?
November 26th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
all you people who are maligning the pakistan army are unpatriotic psychophants who should all be lined up along side nawaz and zardari and shot several times over, couch potatoes such as you people dont realize that it is thanks to the pakistan army that you are not taking permission from a hindu prior to entering a mosque, and sajid malick and his family have been on the payroll of RAW since generations, this man has no credibility, he is one of those pakistanis who actually sold his mother for Ruppees, she was probably not good enough to get dollars. hope he and his family meet the same fate as mujib and his family did.
November 26th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
It is sadly no news that all the military dictators in this country have always been brought into power on the bidding of the US & yet US remains the self proclaimed “leader of the free world”. The thing is it doesnt really matter whether its Zardari or Mushy behind the facade its always the US and those who dont obey meet an end like Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Nawaz Sharif or A.Q.Khan.
November 26th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
@Shah I agree with you 1000%. America calls itself pro democracy and is always supporting military dictators. It is US responsibility to put their army boys in line.
November 26th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Hmmmm, yes his blog is sponsored and I bet someone else is paying him for his psyops campaigns.
There are Mir Jaffer & Mir Sadiq in our times too.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
All is true according to the Ibrahim Malik’s opinion
i am completely agree with him.
regards
November 26th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
@Jaffy
How do we know that you are not a paid agent of ISI? There are so many of you people on all the blogs shooting down all voices of dissent. I am suspicious of you.
November 27th, 2009 at 12:17 am
Dictators only come into power when the rulers become zaleel haramis and hijras. Firstly it was the sharabi kababi harami iskander mirza who was by Ayub Khan, then it was Bhutto who took panga with Zia and then got the hook up his neck, and then It was harami nawaz sharif who by angering musharaf by stopping his plane got the danda in his arse at that time ( ab beshak uchal uchal ke jo bhi marzi bol le , tab to becharay ki tatti bhi jaam thi ). If the leaders will be genuine and true, then the Army or any other power will never ever dare to attack our motherland,
November 27th, 2009 at 3:37 am
Come on! guys! our religion teaches us to first investigate and then accept or propagate something. If writer is fifth columnist you should have some proof of this. I hardly oppose guys like him who are blind and say that Pakistan was meant to be secular but in this blog what he is saying is true so appreciate this.No doubt that all big losses occurred to this country by army. Ayub Khan gave five rivers to india and a part of pakistani land adjacent with iran, yahya khan by military operation lost half of the country,zia-ul-haq lost siachen and bastard musharraf mortgaged whole land to america.And to that guy, Mr. read your history it was not because of army but politicians this country came into existence. Long live Pakistan.Pakistan Zinda baad.
November 27th, 2009 at 3:41 am
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November 27th, 2009 at 6:58 am
@Bilal Ahmed
You are right brother! army has put our cuntry through hell. They have always failed us. Ayub, Yahya, Zia and Musharaff have all sold us or lost our territory. As a nation we need to put these army bastards on the line and make them apologize what they have done to us. I am not afraid of army anymore.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:47 am
I don’t mean to be rude,but you live in the shelter of protection provided by the Pakistani Millitary. How many sons have you given up?or How many Bullets have you taken? Every time Indians accelerate forces we all gather under the banner of “Pak Army Zindabad”, who did the rescue operations in 2005 earthquake. Its a shame that people like you want to defame the military just out of some misplaced sense of self righteousness. On top of that your evidence from 1953!!!
November 27th, 2009 at 9:48 am
@ Hassan Khan
Pakistan army is bunch of cowards who beat up their own people. Whenever confronted with they piss in their pants. 1965, 1971, Siachin- should I keep reminding?
November 27th, 2009 at 11:07 am
I dont know the writer of this article .. just did a quick search on google, and got the following link, but i dont know whether the info on that link is correct or not: http://www.chowk.com/writers/1358
But i’ll consider the info on this link as truth, until any correct info is provided.
So .. this person is living in New York, probably from decades. If the header of this Blog-Site contains his picture, then we can also come to conclusion that how West has influenced on his getup .. and West has definitely left the same effects on his mentality and thoughts.
I have read his articles earlier as well. And the central ideas of those were the same i.e. anti Pak-Army. And each time i came to these articles through facebook. So clearly he is using facebook to make people read his anti Pak-Army writings. Bravo, Good use of facebook ! His mission is thus basically to spread hatred against the only properly working institution of Pakistan.
The proof that his analysis is biased and one sided is that he ignores the stupidities of politicians (most of them are basically feudal lords and industrialists). I also like democracy, but i like the democracy that brings the true representatives of people in the parliament.
To me Pakistan Army is not doing any strange things. It is doing the same, what Pentagon and CIA is doing in USA, Mossad in Israel, RAW in India, etc. It is the most essential point to understand that, it is not the elected governments who run countries. These are actually the armies and intelligence agencies who run the countries (throughout the history of the world). And its now a global norm, nothing strange in it. The reason why world is maligning Pak-Army, is that it is the only hurdle for the world powers to complete their filthy tasks in Pakistan. So, they are doing whatever they can do to malign Pak-Army. And they are using media-power extensively for this purpose.
.. and i can write loads of content in support of my point.
So its better for Pakistan that these anti-Pakistan-minded people are exposing their thoughts on blogs. It will finally lead the pro-Pakistanis to come-up with better plans.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
friends..! i dont know weather this article is true for not .. such a confidential document with bad english..? (sorry if i have disturbed anyone)
November 27th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Rehan you are sick. Do you realize how much your sickeningly illogical comments on a person without addressing his argument harms your own position?
I am disgusted with people like you making personal and illogical attacks on anyone with a perspective different to your own.
Pakistan’s army is very pro-America
November 28th, 2009 at 9:53 am
I agree with the article, but i will go a step further, i would want to see the pakistani army and especially the ISI dismantled. they are good for nothing and are only there to make money for themselves, destablise the country, empowering the establishment, stopping pak from progressing and maintaining the status quo. pakistan’s biggest tragedy is no doubt pakistan army’s dominent role in its running. pak army always play the nationalist and patriotism card to fool stupid pakistani who think pak army is their to serve them. grow up stupid countrymen. pak army and ISI has done us much more damage than its done good. lets also distinguish between soldiers (who only carry out orders and are unknowingly serving as pawns) and the strategists and decision makers (who are the real culprits)
November 28th, 2009 at 11:10 am
boss u know nothing ,plz improve ur knowledge.are u indian paid???????
November 28th, 2009 at 11:18 am
how much u are paid by RAW u bastered.if u need money contact me on my nomba.03339173489.ill pay u more than ur bloody aoqaat.basterd.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:48 am
@Buraq Khan, you stupid …..you want Pak-Army & ISI dismanteled ? are you MAD ??? you’re demanding the same thing as India does.
You’ve been paid by ANTI-Pakistan forces to spread hatred against Pakistan & Pak-Army & ISI.
Its people like you who have brought this country to hell, by selecting CRIMINALS like Zardari & Nawaz Sharif & still worshiping these assholes.
Whoever try to do something patriotic & become honest with this country, you sick people start opposing them & try to kick him out……sometimes in the name of JAMHOOORIYAT, & sometimes for AZAD ADLIYA !
Mark my words (maybe you’ve intelligent enough & understood it already) that this fucked up ADLIYA & JAMHOORIYAT are nothing but BULLSHIT, another way to play with this nation’s emotions. They won’t ever give you anything, they’re just CHOOTIYA BANANEY KI MACHINE !!!
November 29th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
i agree salman.We have enough traitor.And u never know person u are refering might be a patriot Indian and vomiting dirt against Pakistan.
Pakistan Zindabad – PakArmy Paindabad
November 29th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
This guy is a paid traitor. All of his articles are psyops / anti army which is the only entity in Pakistan that anti Pakistan elements really fear. They know they can easily buy out politicians and sell out traitor journalists like him.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
@Navaid Ehsan: I Agree with you 101%…. we really need to cut these So called Politicians to their sizes
November 29th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
@Salman: You don’t need to be angry… Belive me… things are not very good in the Army as well…. It was the same army who Surrendered to India in 1971…
November 29th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
No. Pakistans Army is not anti America.
Rehan, have you met an Indian (or American) muslim who has to take permission from a Hindu to enter a mosque? I have not even heard of it.
Have you met a Pakistani Christian/Hindu/Qadiani/Ismaili/Shia muslim whose freedom of religious observance has been curtailed? I have met many.
The uniformed Pakistanis have earned their bread and dominated their country by terrifying their compatriots of the bogeyman India. Despite its tall claims the Army of Pakistan is reknowned for its ineptness – may it be the 65 war, the 71 tragedy, Kargil or any other misadventure. To secure its existence it maintains its part in the Mullah, America and Army alliance and calls all secular, progressive forces antiislamic or unpatriotic.
Pakistan is making hesitant progress towards democracy and civilian rule and in time the armed forces will become subservient to the will of the people but in the meantime the mullahs, the military and America together hold sway. The Army is not anti-America, both depend on each other.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:16 am
Very good article Malick Sahab. May Allah (SWT) protects you and give you courage to walk the path that other Pakistani leaders have taken in the past. I am reminded of Jalib sahab’s poem. Translation below:
Bread, clothes and medicine
A little house to live in
Free education, as may right be seen
A Muslim, I, too, have always been
What does Pakistan mean
There is no God, but God, The Rab-al-alameen
For American alms do not bray
Do not, the people, laugh away
With the democratic struggle do not play
Hold on to freedom, do not cave in
What does Pakistan mean
There is no God, but God, The Rab-al-alameen
Confiscate the fields from the landowners
Take away the mills from the robbers
Redeem the country from its dark hours
Off with the lordly vermin
What does Pakistan mean
There is no God, but God, The Rab-al-alameen
Sind, Baluchistan and Frontier
These three are to Panjab most dear
And Bengal lends them splendour
Anguished should not be their mien
What does Pakistan mean
There is no God, but God, The Rab-al-alameen
This, then, is the basic thing
For the people, let freedom’s bell ring
From the rope, let the plunderer swing
Truly they speak, who the truth have seen
What does Pakistan mean
There is no God, but Allah…
November 30th, 2009 at 7:22 am
very interesting article. can’t wait to read more…
November 30th, 2009 at 7:49 am
@Farrukh: For as much anger I felt while reading this otherwise mentally challenged article, I must admit that I DID breathe a sigh of relief when I read yours, Mr. Farrukh. It’s almost a pity that people like Mr. Malick (also written as Malik) have the liberty of calling themselves Pakistanis. But ‘the rotten must be amongst the good’, I suppose. Sad… but true!
November 30th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Ibrahim is right. Pakistani army has always been an extension of America. They have always told that we are in danger of attack from India and that we should look upto to Washington. You can’t deny that ISI goons get training by CIA masters.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Gen. zia told us when fighting against USSR we are the next so we should go and fight in Afghanistan now the media and Army and Govt has put in your mind that we have to fight against the Taliban or we are the next, see what happens next until now its obvious we have lost Pushtoon of Pakistan. May Allah tell us the righteous path.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
@ To all who get flared up if somethin is spoken against Pak army :
We have to face the truth . Just look st us . Dya think the mighty (?)US of A can opearte so freely in Paksitan killing pakistanis vide drone with precise accuration ? Of course they have been facilitated by Pak Army .
i am not in favor of blmaing the whole army , but indeed the high ups ( the generals ) are sold out to dollars , dya know almost all general’s offsprings are studying(?) in the USA ???how come …have you seen the lavinsha lifestyle of the GEnerals…if no …first check and please then open your so called stupid and ignorant mouth for blabbering . Wake up .
November 30th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
The ISI plays the role of a force for the destabilization of Central Asia, India and the Middle East. It acts as a Central Asian base of operations for the CIA and British Intelligence to carry out Anglo-American imperial aims.
As India is one of the fastest-growing economies in the world, after China, its northern neighbor which also borders Central Asian countries, its place in the New World Order is yet to be set in stone. Do western, and particularly Anglo-American elites allow India to grow as China, all the while attempting to co-opt their banking system to the western banking elite, thus, making them controllable? Or, will India be destabilized and dismantled, as is the plan with the Middle East and Central Asia, in order to redraw borders to suit geopolitical imperial ambitions, creating a network of manageable territories feeding the Metropoles of the New World Order, specifically New York and London ?
November 30th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Plato listed love of state as the first requirement in a leader. That sentiment is hard to find when the gifted in a society are plagued by self-seeking. Predominant role of religious establishment in molding public opinion also militates against the growth of democratic culture.
Sadly, Pakistan never really outgrew its Hindu hatred and India fixation to grow as an independent, sovereign and progressive nation state. It is a pity that such fora are not used to debate issues dispassionately. Prejudice and ignorance are two sides of the same coin. Was it Voltaire who said, ‘I may not agree with what you say but I shall defend till death your right to do so’.
It is urgent that purity of Islam reasserts itself over the prevalent communal aspect. Religion must promote emancipation and not bondage.
December 1st, 2009 at 9:27 pm
i m agree with imran ahmad, here in india all muslims and hindu and sikhs lives in very good relations,i have my friend mr chand mohamad,i gone to his home on idd nad enjoy the seviyan,here we lives togeather and celebrates all festivals togeather.we loves all and respect all religions.no body stop them to go a mosque even we congrates them and accompany them.sorry as im not part of the quotes of nations,but palticians or media plays a dity role.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:05 am
Taking a look back at Pakistan’s history, however, exposes the hypocrisy of such assertions.
It was, in fact, during Gen.Zia ul Haq’s rule that the US was allowed to construct five ‘intelligence and recon basses’ in Pakistan.
It was under Gen. Musharaf’s rule that Pakistan compromised the security of it’s nuclear assets, allowed drone attacks, handed over Pakistani civilians to the CIA and allowed Blackwater to launch covert operations.
Three Pricincts … Dr A Q Khan[ Nuclear/ Non first class official ] Jehangir Keramet [weapon depots ,terrorism] Farouk Leghari [constitution, smuggling and banking] .. Defense Commerce Law respectively..
There’s no much another trigger to correct the internal malpractice and pressure….Every steeple minaret of crime and terror treasopn and weakness can be controlled
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:27 am
pakistan army is a blood sucker
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Sorry to say but mr. malick I’ve read some of your other posts as well and NONE of them is neutral. I must say you are being paid for writing ‘anti-army’ posts.
Next comes, your articles are being advertised, who and why the hell would one pay for spreading you words?
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Yes America actually wanted a transvestite n she got a hijra in the form of a Blog writer claiming to be Pakistani.
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Pakistan started almost in the same footing as India. However fundamentally it became an Islamic state with emphasis on religion and not on development, economic progress and multi-culturalism. This led to power becoming concentrated in the hands of the centre and it became easy for the armed forces to step in and stunt the growth of the democratic institutions.
All that the armed forces had to do was take over the central government and that has happened many times and Gen Zia , Gen Musharraf etc. have all been the cowboys from the army who did not understand the concept of a NATION and believed in CONTROLLING and not on PRODUCTIVITY.
They controlled thru appeasing the religious leaders and destroyed a nation. The Americans have merely played in their own interest, as has been their habit. Accusing the US is merely a pretext for not owning up Pakistan’s sovereignty.
TRUST IN ALLAH, BUT TETHER YOUR CAMEL.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:36 pm
@yousuf: I agree with you. Pakistan army has been Pakistan’s enemy number 1. They are corrupt, arrogant and act like mafia. They only country they have ever defeated is Pakistan. They only people they can rule are Pakistanis. It is like you buy gun for your chowkidar and than he becomes your master. This is what is happening here.
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Pakistans Army is not Anti America and it should not be. Pakistan and its institutions should be defined for what they are, not what they are not.
The State of Pakistan appears to have lost its purpose, we are forever thinking at tangents. We should set our goals to create a just society that responds to the needs of its people. We should attempt to eradicate poverty (provide employment, control the population explosion, conserve resources, combat crime and corruption provide effective policing and courts) care for the weak and the infirm (children’s education and health, women’s and minorities rights, hospitals, shelters). To achieve that we need a prosperous nation of taxpayers, we need flourishing trade.
Without these aspirations do we deserve to survive? Does it matter whether we are sovereign in our own land or whether America, India, China or a corrupt cabal pull our strings?
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:28 am
I think its all true that miltary Gen can not be Gadaar of the country. And these top politicians are brainwashed people. It all depends on the highest authority of the country and that relates to some defenders of the country. Its true that Obama is puppet having football in his hand for playing any time with other super power backed up by atomic agencies of US not CIA. They are playing with the mind of US president.
Zerdari is puppet and so on and so forth. But zerdari is has no power to launch any strike like obama master minds have given the so called authority to US president. Its all BRAIN GAME. If you reach in Obama’s mind you can listen some voices from agencies all over the world.
There are three voices in a mind. One that you listen when you talk.
Second voice when you understand something.
Third voice is voice of eye.
EYE CAN NOT SPEAK A LIE.
When you see something, your brain creates a voice. This is the upper most part of brain and that voice can be CATCHED any time by any agency in the world using WAVES. So if your top most intelligence agency is not strong then you can be hacked by any other agency any time.
So an agent does not know whats going on in his mind but he is doing a duty for a Winner agency. THIS IS TRUTH.
There is a war going on in the minds of popular people.
More on this some other time.
Thanks.
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:19 am
Here we go again with demented ultra patriotism. Sir, the true “Gadaar” is the person who does not pay his country the income tax due from him. The one who uses contacts, force and safarish to bypass the rights of his fellow citizens, the fellow who uses up resources by wasting them on wedding celebrations, the one who produces numerous children, the one who tries to make life difficult for other citizens who do not belong to his family/tribe/caste/province/sect/religion etcetera.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:23 pm
This in my opinion is the fault of our own that has led our nation to this predicament, the foreclosure however should be in a manner that the balance is set, when the balance is set, then Nations who wish to despoil the other, will compromise and will assist in briging justice to the nation which is full of tryants and despots who need to be dealt in a most severe manner.
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:08 pm
@IMAM: what the hell do you mean? agar english nahi aati too urdu may likh day mairay bhai
Ibrahim Sajid Malick is a genious – i mean it. he has so many people arguing over his opinion. lovely
December 5th, 2009 at 10:19 am
da writer is a big tym looser….needs to b shot on da spot….seems a RAW agent…..simply he should be killed…
December 5th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
long live pak army, people and isi, f*** you sajid malick, nawaz sharif, zardari, india, indians, indian govt, raw/cia taliban etc etc
all you people who are maligning the pakistan army are unpatriotic psychophants who should all be lined up along side nawaz and zardari and shot several times over, couch potatoes such as you people dont realize that it is thanks to the pakistan army that you are not taking permission from a hindu prior to entering a mosque, and sajid malick and his family have been on the payroll of RAW since generations, this man has no credibility, he is one of those pakistanis who actually sold his mother for Ruppees, she was probably not good enough to get dollars. hope he and his family meet the same fate as mujib and his family did.
December 5th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Excuse me Mr. Ibrahim, but I beg to differ. What sort of democracy are u talking about? A democracy where, a minister of the ruling party comes out on live t.v. and says that their party has a right to corruption? A democracy in which the ministers of the ruling party go overseas and are seen in strip joints, and the bill is paid by the hardworking taxpayers?
A democracy where people stand in line for hours for sugar and wheat? A democracy where the country is plunged into darkness for hours at stretch, and at the sametime the lavish parties given by the rulers consume enough electricity to light the whole country?
I admit the military has made mistakes, but who do u blame for the breaking away of the former East Pakistan? Your beloved democracy has done more damage then the benefeits that it offers. And I believe that the military is the only beacon of hope in these dark times for all the patriotic people of Pakistan. And to all those yes-men of your’s here I would like to say, what have the politicians done that gives them merit against the army? And has any politician spilled their blood in defending this country(and plz don’t include those who died fighting for their shot at ruling the country)? And also, we have not lost pashtoons, the ones the army is pursuing are criminals whose way of life before they became known as the Talibans of Pakistan, was murder, extortion, smuggling of drugs and kidnapping for ransom.
Your piece sounds familiar, as it is just another one in a spate of hate mongering mania against the army that I have seen in recent times. Your freemasonic masters(may they burn in hell) must be pleased.
December 5th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Oh I forgot to add, why does nobody go after the federal ministers who are supporting the illegal activities of these foreign operatives on our soil. The military answers to the civilian government, and they have to say yes to all the commands handed down to them by the civlian government. i f they didn’t, you guys would be crying bloody coup.
December 5th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Reading on the comments:
Our ultimate aim should be to achieve a peaceful society, where everyone enjoys life. Things done on these lines will only make a Happy Nation. You should envy those nations where there is no war, no strong ISIs and still people live happily.
Maldives, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan are virtually powerless countries, still never attacked by India. India can capture any of them anytime, but has never tried so.
What is Pakistan scared off. By becoming stronger & stronger will Pakistan ever be able to defeat/capture India. Ultimately both India & Pakistan are brothers, nothing will ever come out of this ‘infighting’. We should rather look at achieving peace, so that we become economically strong & lead better lives.
Instead to working to build our economy, we waste so much of money on ‘war preparations’, this is spoiling our generations & subsequently making us (economically) weak. When Pakistani & Indian people meet on any soil, there is so much of warmth in their relationships.
Why shouldn’t we all be leading a real life, for better present & better future..?
December 6th, 2009 at 1:31 am
Why do these idiots want a neutral opinion on army? The naPAk army is the big looter, plunderer rapist and murderer of the Pakistan people. ISI has always been a local wing of CIA.
Very well wrtten artcle. Let me just answer some stupid statements by the idiots army supporters:
1. Naeem A MAlik writes “A democracy where the country is plunged into darkness for hours at stretch, and at the same time the lavish parties given by the rulers consume enough electricity to light the whole country?”
Are you serious you pathetic fool? a party which consumes enough electricity to light a country? do you even know how much electricity is required by the country? And how much a part can possibly take? It was the military which did not engage in any power generation for a decade which led to a power crisis not freaking democracy you idiot.
2. He further writes “I admit the military has made mistakes, but who do u blame for the breaking away of the former East Pakistan?”
The army is to blame . and I also blame them for murdering innocent civilians in the millions and raping thousands of women. Isn’t it sad that the protector of islam are the most notorious rapists in the world? Shame on those who support rapists (napak army).
3. and lastly “And also, we have not lost pashtoons, the ones the army is pursuing are criminals whose way of life before they became known as the Talibans of Pakistan, was murder, extortion, smuggling of drugs and kidnapping for ransom.” No they weren’t. naPak army was the biggest drug smuggler in the world. the pushtoons hate naPak army and they hate you.
NaPak army murdabad.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:02 am
Instead of name calling the Army as napak or politicians as corrupt traitors. Instead of denigrating “sharia” or “democracy” it would be more productive to re-examine ones own behaviour within ones society. What have we done to strengthen or help our country/city/town/mohalla today? Who have we helped or have we elbowed any weaker person aside? Are we courteous and law abiding on the road or do we not give right of way to pedestrians and smaller vehicles?
Everyone needs to improve their behaviour, even in the conduct of this debate.
December 7th, 2009 at 2:40 am
your blog does not exist Bilal @Bilal Ahmed:
December 7th, 2009 at 9:07 am
I think i am gonna change my mind about Pakistan army and store the comments i wanted to pass on this article.Because Pakistan has been strangled from so many fronts that it is impossible to draw a decisive line between the friends and enemies of Pakistan.Since Army is the only institution left in this country.I would not atleast for the time being criticise it.Corruption is not the only malady that is crumbling it nor does Generals occupy the possession of being the only ones for making Pakistan fodder of America.Dont we need to scrutinize ourselves as a nation?what good have we contributed to the progress of this country.Infact we as a nation have riddled our body with so many inextricable layers.We need to change ourselves and then when we know we are all good, we will come out to the streets can bring any change in the country that we want.(forgive my English because i,m a Pashtun from Baluchistan,and u know what,s the literacy rate here)
December 7th, 2009 at 10:37 am
UTTER RUBBISH PROPOGANDA
December 8th, 2009 at 2:42 am
I don’t think that army want’s to rule over country but if our politicians sorry criminals oh but they are our country person so any how what so ever we can say about our P2P in valgur language they always like it. if our politicians never rule the according their perspectives the army will never take over.
Mr. Nawaz Shareef but not Shareef he is furaud. He himself save his ministry and keep Mr. Musharaf plane in air to crash not only that but when Pakistan won the war of KARGILL, their is only nawaz shareef who get back the army on one phone call of Clinton, and never think about brave soldiers who pay their lives to save our country. I think Musharaf do very well to put down nawaz khabees.
Another important thing is that Zardari who is now ….. in our country, he is criminal and most of that he killed many people by his hand or via paying killers, so what kind of this criminal can run the country rules, NEVER he is unable to rule over country he is just their to fullfill his bank balance. i am sure if he get back his money our country will come out from economic disaster, basically it is not his money but it is the money of all pakistanies which is theft by Mr. zardari.
Now what their is lines of people for sugar, flour…… Huuu
What dear petrol reach over the highest rate, at last only army is best to rule becoz they have brave heart and love for pakistan.
I remind their is onl Mr. Musharaf who’s time of Govt. Their is no much high rates, no much petrolium rates, every thing is normal but as short time ministers take over the rules for elections the monoply surrounds in our country.
At Last in our country democracy that in those days is not democrasy democrasy means to open views from all minds and no hasitation, but here Mr. Rehman Malik said “we will caught those who use valguer words against them.” But at one place Mr. Musharaf speaches a person get up and says very vaulger words on his face due to his take over Mr. Musharaf calm down this person and answer his question very politely and in remarks he said i stand their democrasy to allow every one to open his views.
At Last ARMY IS BEST BECOZ THEY ARE QUALIFIED AND MUCH BETTER KNOW ABOUT WORLD STRATEGIES.
MAY ALLAH BLESS OUR COUNTRY AND SAVE US FROM BAD AND SELFISH POLITICIANS.
December 8th, 2009 at 4:12 am
@ Mazhar: Two idiots don’t make a genius. Or two frauds don’t make a saint. Yes, Pakistani politicians are corrupt but what about army?
Musharraf, Ayub, Zia, Kayani, Pasha are all corrupt. The military owns the best farmland and several of the largest industrial conglomerates. Retired or active-duty military officers run the ports, postal service, electric utilities, sports federations, telecommunications authority, culture ministry, mineral development agency, anti-drug police, railroads, civil aviation authority, national shipping company and Pakistan’s biggest steel mill. They hold top administrative posts at the best universities. Many ambassadors are retired officers.
And you, Mazhar Sahab complain about politicians? Did you pick your check from ISI? or did you sell your sister to pak Army?
@ Naeem A Malik: No institution dominates Pakistan like its army. The armed forces account for 20% of Pakistan’s national budget, totalling $5bn last year according to official statistics. But the actual figure, already staggering for a country with high levels of illiteracy and malnutrition, is likely to be much higher. The army has been practically unaccountable since the very foundation of the country – last year’s figures were the first it has publicly released since 1965.
Those aren’t the only imposing figures. It has some 650,000 active soldiers and another half million in reserve.
Every one of Pakistan’s democratically-elected civilian leaders has been forced to abdicate by the army. A general has directly ruled the country for 34 of its 62 years of existence.
December 8th, 2009 at 4:20 am
Mr. Malick, I agree with you that Pakistan Army has got unprecedent history of conquering their own country many times and 100,000 soldiers surrendering to the Indian army in 1971, and mis adventures of 1965 and Kargil. They have main role in dismembering the country in 1971. They are best in plundering the wealth of the Pakistani people. Pakistani people have to starve to pay for their luxury life. They are good in anything except for their main job i.e., fighting with enemy. They were trained for military purposes but they want civil administrative jobs for which they have no training and experience. The job they are supposed to be doing can’t do it properly. Which Army in the world has been exempt from Tax, Not answerable to the Government or Public? – off Course it is Pakistan army.
The biggest cause of the plight of pakistani people is the 28 years of Army rule out of 55 years. It is not India that is our Enemy it is the Pakistani Army that is the biggest enemy of Pakistan. Look at India, this year their GDP is >8% and look where we stand!!!!. Look at India their army never muddled in the Government affairs and let the Democratic process grow.
When I say Pakistani army it means Army Officers , not the poor simple soldiers whose ‘KISMAT’ has not changed and will never be.
May GOD save us from our BEST army
December 11th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
The writer is spot-on, though I dont particularly fancy his hat! He is sane, logical, and (perhaps too) brief.. Pakistan Army is indeed the sole extension of American Imperialism in Middle East & South Asia, a role that it has admirably performed for its benefactors. Apart from controlling every facet of everyday life in Pakistan, they also hold a wide sway over economic and political spectrum. What is particularly disturbing is their strong hold on leading media conglomerates, which is being effectively used to spread disinformation about its heroics. Most people who work in the army choose to do so at their own, i.e. no one foces them to provide this “service”. Most of them are not good enough academically or intellectually to make it to a university or to excel in any other professional capacity (without the support of their institution). Funnily enough, the hold key posiitons in virtually all areas of economic activity, Steel Mills, Power Generation, Banking, Education, Fertilizer, Cement, Oil & Gas, Ports & Shipping, Civil Aviation, Telecom…. ad infinitum!
Their protagonists in this chat space are using two things tht the institution is so good at using when flexing to “fix and/or sourt-out the Bloody-Civilians”: “Bullying-with-whatever-it-takes” and an indiscriminate use of the “fear-factor”. Wake-up gents… this is the 21st.. use of foul language or moronic rhetoric will not reverse the tide of change… Long Live Pakistan!
December 12th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Phudee deya toon math paas kitta aey.
December 12th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Well gentlemen I would like comment that what is the authenticity of the telegramme, If it is genuine one y at this juncture American felt a need to publish it. Coz they r our friend.LOL.
Secondly.y Mr Ibrahim has not been sent behind the bar by CIA or FBI, coz he spoke againsy America, LOL he shouldn`t be coz he is friend of America.
Thirdly, do all above commentators are loyal Pakistanis ? Non of them is RAW,MOSAD or CIA agent.Majority of them r feeling pain n want to save Pakistan.LOL, hea hea hea hea hea. Pakistani bevaqoof hein. Bund ker dein gey inn sab kee.
December 13th, 2009 at 2:14 am
all i can say here is tht i feel pity on the writer and all those who agree with him becoz none of them know anything abt Pakistan and specially its military …..Its one thing 2 read abt it or listen 2 sum one who tries 2 pretend tht he knows everything and make own cionclusions…..sooo plzzzz get ur facts straight man…….ask those whose sons, husbands and fathers have laid their life for this country and even doing it rite now ……so plz get ur heads cleared and 4 once think 4m ur own minds rather then what the news and the analyst and journalist like the one above r saying coz its all abt prtesentation ….a guy with a phony hat writes an article with a fake pic of a msg n all of us start agreeing with him …..its coz of ppl like him n all thos ewho agree with him tht pakistan is at this stage not coz of its military but those who stopped beliving in it !!!!! wake up ya all!!!!!!!!!
December 13th, 2009 at 10:49 am
u seem to be RAW sponsored…
creating FASAAD..
i hav read all ur writings… u r anti pakistan.. hypocrate…
PAK ARMY will smash YOU, out… INSHALLAH
December 13th, 2009 at 11:19 am
@yash:
Erudite riposte!
The clue to this apparently passionate outburst of insanity and bad English may be in the Hindu name “Yash”, I smell a rat. By your rant I guess you are using reverse psychology to turn us against the highly professional but institutionally corrupt army of Pakistan? I sympathise.
December 14th, 2009 at 2:42 am
Well Its rare that I comment on any article as it mostly ends into a futile conversation which i see here. I am still compelled to write though cos the debate clearly depicts that we all love Pakistan. The only point is that we are all confused with the information/disinformation we get. Another thing we lack is our research on history and evidence and understanding our geopolitical situation and the complexities of our societal structure.
The ppl of my nation and some our indian neighbours have highlighted some very good minds showing rationality in what they say but the point is that we all know the problems but dont know either its roots and the solution to it. And its very easy that the politicians be it religious our liberal or the army, they always blame one another for all the mishaps as is said that success has many fathers while failure has none. To add to it, our civilians being affiliated with any of it start taking sides.
What I view from an ordinary man is that as a society we have good ppl and bad ppl, and since all these institutions or parties are a part of it, they are also bound to possess the same characteristics and so do the leaders of the world. As in urdu we say ‘Jaisi quam waisay sarbarah’. Second thing is that, being humans, we are imperfect and are bound to err. So we cannot assume that our leaders will never make a mistake though their mistake would be costlier than the ordinary citizen as history proves. So a sweeping statement to any one party or institution is wrong.
The problem arises that when one, being affiliated with any party or institution, starts endorsing a wrong step or a mistake of the other just to prove their loyalty to that party or institution. A wrong is a wrong whoever does it. We should be true to ourselves the least.
Secondly, our problem is ignorance. We don’t even know what is happening outside our own worlds which is just restricted to our career, families and friends in reality. So, understanding the complexities of the poor and deprived of our nation is beyond comprehension. Our opinions are based on what the anchors and talk shows which are not altogether distorted but not accurate either. Hence, a solution of a problem without comprehension gives rise to another problem. We are all fighting in some way for the survival of our nation which is good but why? We don’t even know why it was born in the 1st place. Our politicians and intellectuals to date are disputing the ideology or our country. Is it just for a peace of land? If it is then I would say it is worthless. Why did our ancestors make huge sacrifices of their lives and wealth and took the troubles of such mass migration? It should be for the ideology and that can only be found out by reading about the writings of Quaid-e-Azam, Allama Iqbal, Agha Khan and Chaudhri Rehmat Ali who were key personalities to the formation of Pakistan.
Another issue which perturbs me is the growing intolerance in our society and the world and as a result of this, we all have adopted the approach that whoever doesn’t agree with the other is met with consequences be it verbal abuse, physical and sometimes with death. This is beyond the dignity of a human being. However, this doesn’t relinquish the right to self defense. So, the frequent overstepping and tug of war among political parties and the army is a result of this as everyone thinks that the other is stupid and we know the job better. And the undue loyalty to the party/institution just makes it worse.
As for the external factors, every nation has some vested interest, be they moral or immoral. They do things which may be good for their nation but not necessarily ours. In this case the hero for one is the villain for the other. The issue arises when some even don’t think even of their own nation as they have their own personal interest. This has been proven in our case, and for India, USA, Israel and Middle East to name a few. So, the problem lies with the selection process across the board. The 1st and foremost quality of a leader is that he should be generous and not selfish. If this quality isn’t there, then he is bound to disappoint us in times of test. So, who is it to blame? Us?
Freedom demands responsibility, taking ownership of our actions. Our nations are not suffering because of our leaders only but each and every individual of our society. I m not for MQM, but I give due credit for what Mustafa Kamal has done for the city of Karachi. It may not be perfect or upto the mark, but atleast he made an effort and did his share well. and so did his team. These were the same ppl who never performed with other nazims.
I used to hate army but my trip to Balakot and setting up a tent village there, changed my perspective and now I no longer hate them. That doesn’t mean that I love them either:). It was due to their effort that such calamity was handled well despite the fact that some ppl there (highlighted by media) were thankless and no matter what was done for them, they never acknowledged or appreciated it. I have had personal experience so I can safely claim that i know this for sure.
One thing is to remember that your freedom is associated with your freedom. You are nobody if you don’t have a nation. A nation is nothing if it doesn’t have an ideology. And ideology is a benchmark for differentiating between the heros and villains not on personal biases.
December 14th, 2009 at 5:20 am
Is’nt it sad ..!!
Even here we are at war !!
Indians, Pakistanis, Americans , Afghanis…Crazy !!
Army ,Cia, Raw,……!!
They are all made by you and I …!! People who do not believe truly!
Can you say that God, Allah ,… Made you and did not make me ?
Don’t complicate the Answer …
Divisions divide .
December 14th, 2009 at 6:41 am
Pakistan is like a Bus full of passengers heading towards a cliff of impending doom without having a driver. And whickever driver tries to drive the bus brings it closer to the cliff, we need a leader who will steer Pakistan out of the dark ages and bring it on the world stage as one of the key countries for economic progress…. Let’s all find him shall we before it is too late.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
as a free man you have a right to your opnion but your article is an insult to the hundreds of soiders and officers have have died in fighting the terrorists. your concluding line induces a nausea and if you were near i would not hesitate to vomit on you!
December 16th, 2009 at 8:06 am
@Hassan Khan:
Well brother until then army had nothing to do and what if they helped it was their duty becoz they were just sitting and eating everything and remember who got the award jummat u dawah a terrorist party if you talk about army army is paid by govt and we can use them any where we want donot forget in musharaf regim NAB was asked to close many cases against Army personnels to save army from the bad impression. they do what ever and when ever they want is becoz they have bullets if they want to impose their ideas then come and sit and talk with people not with bullets if they use bullets then i am proud of my tribles who said fighting against Kufr and its allies is jihad and this Kalshnikov is our sword and we will not surrender out swords until Army is out of tribes they never said we will capture pakistan but now i am not sure we can make a peace deal with them. they have already faced a big lose of lives of children and women in pakistan air force bombing. and donot forget what happen to the Air chief who denied to bomb tribles and his plane crashed. actually we all fighting for the happiness of americans they place their boot on our face and twist it and we start obeying them. shame on us shame. the tribles were our defenders but we made them our enemy. we say they attack mosques see who was the first to attack mosque LAL MAsjid our army MEN went with boots inside mosque shame on them then they allowed private armies like blackwaters shame on them who ask help protect pakistan it mean they are cowards and cannot protect pakistan. shame shame shame.
So this is the reality we have to stop all there institutions bureaucracy politicians and Army but all of them are relatives with each others all three institutions have agents of America who are working openly to support their interests. our army is paid 10 million dollars per month to fight rather to kill pushtoon children women and bomb them with fighter jets. shame on you its been many months still army is in swat becoz most of the people wanted sharia. so they are not leaving the place becoz they know if they come out common people will demand sharia again. and it wud be a shame for them. it was done only becoz of America not to support any sharia. never mind the world will see sharia again and Muhammad pbuh has told us. anyways this is the topic never ending but read Quran and hadith i am university graduate worked in ngos but when i started to find truth i found all that what i said here.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:13 am
@sbhz: @sbhz:
shame on you calling loyal tribles a terrorist just shame on you
December 17th, 2009 at 6:42 am
My Good people of Pakistan, let us all be pragmatic and take things into perspective, Our Beautiful Soldiers of the Pakistan Army and Our beautiful Militia in all the provinces deems fit worthy of praise, for the simple reason, the soldiers in all these wars are not responsible, they are all paid low salaries and they are all entwined in being able to maintain their daily livliehood they have no inkling to the true reality, the fingers should be pointed to the real culprits and they too should be taken to task.
Now the only thing which can separate all of us is the fact of the manifest truth, and that ladies and gentlemen is our ALLAH. Now for those creatures who think that they are not being watched are truly deluded, for ALLAH knows what you whisper to your ownself, He knows what Man conceals in His breasts, there is no escape from the questioning of ALLAH on a day which will turn the children’s hair hoary headed.
What is transpiring in Our beloved country is a metaphysical phase in putting everything in persepctive to meet the challenges of the 21st century. The old Evil Old men who are withering away will in a while know nothing after having known, Indeed ALLAH is the All Mighty and to HIM we turn in Repentance and seek for HIS Mercy. With certainty of sight those who beleive should know that you will all be alive after your death and it is then what one will see is not magic but the true reality. The Angels will ask you that “Is this not what you see the truth?”. But it will be a hard day for the wicked ones, for they will be thrown into the blazing fire to burn therein disgraced and humilitated, this is indeed the truth, and for those who deny this should come to know by what overturning they will be overturned.
We, the citizens of Pakistan will gain victory over the wicked ones, for with certainty ALLAH protects those creatures who Bow down to Him and beg for HIS Mercy. Ladies and Gentlemen do not mind the sermon, but I fail to understand why is is so difficult for the people of Pakistan to stand up and continue to demand Justice for all, The evil Ones are still laughing, for they mock Pakistan’s Judicial system, they think that they will be able to outrun the cases by handing out bribes for their salvation, indeed they are deluded for ALLAH watches all of his Creatures vey closely, and Inshallah Pakistan Our Great Nation will welcome Good people to our country to help us build up our nation as it was supposed to be when our Quaid gave us Muslims a country to dwell in.
Truly Ladies and Gentlemen this is the only home we have, can we all be responsible people for once and protect the future lives of our children!