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		<title>By: terex</title>
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		<description>Well indian communities  should ban cousin marriage  let it be south indian hindus or muslims ,since it creates congenital disorder!!

Pakistani patients are often seen in india with their little kids having heart problems!!

Moreover there is little discrimination in india against muslims !!

i being a vegeterian cant go and eat in muslim house due to their distinct food habits but we do co-exist and share common traditions ;we have enough space for every indians to prosper peacefully!!</description>
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<p>Pakistani patients are often seen in india with their little kids having heart problems!!</p>
<p>Moreover there is little discrimination in india against muslims !!</p>
<p>i being a vegeterian cant go and eat in muslim house due to their distinct food habits but we do co-exist and share common traditions ;we have enough space for every indians to prosper peacefully!!</p>
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		<title>By: terex</title>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@Ali Murtaza&lt;/b&gt;: 

you are a moron!

problems with muslim lies in enforcement of their culture and traditions on other religion by force!!</description>
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<p>you are a moron!</p>
<p>problems with muslim lies in enforcement of their culture and traditions on other religion by force!!</p>
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		<title>By: owais khan</title>
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		<description>جناب ملک صاحب، آداب
ہمارے سپریم کورٹ کو شاباشی دینے کا شکریہ
 
And now, I shift to English so that those who do not read Urdu, do not feel excluded. So, once again, thanks for patting our Supreme Court on the back.  I also appreciate your concern in improving the lot of India, of Indians and of Indian Muslims.  However, I take an EXTREMELY strong exception to what you have said.  

I say this as an Indian Muslim: We do NOT need you.  We do NOT need your support.  If we do have any problems, these are mainly because of Pakistan, and because of Pakistani mindset.  (And Pakistani mindset is not limited to Pakistanis, or even to Muslims: some non-Pakistanis and some non-muslims have it too).  

Let me tell you what I really think: You guys have no shame.  You wreck the home that was undivided India.  You are like that younger brother who claimed his share from the ancestral property, divided the home, took some children and mistreated them, left other children to be brought up by the elder brother, and then could not even keep his wife together with him in his own home.  

And now, he blames the elder brother for &#039;making him divorce&#039; his wife.  And for mistreating the children that he left behind, which his elder brother legally adopted and brought up as his own.  

Go take a hike, Mr. Malick.  India has brought me up, India has cared for me, India has loved me. All that Pakistan has ever done is obsessed with India, and made some of us doubt that India is indeed our own, and our only home &amp; well-wisher.  Your hate-filled minds have poisoned some minds in India.  And sure, we do have some of our own poison too...  but I would any day take (even unfair) disciplining by India, than sweet-talk by Pakistan, which contributed nothing to me, and is interested in nothing else, but in hurting India who is clearly, their elder brother.  

(By the way, I fail to understand why Pakistan must find it necessary to have parity with India.  I have seen one of my uncles, himself no good, but always jealous of his elder brother, who did very well.  Always obsessed with his own inferiority, he never managed to hurt the elder brother much, but only hurt himself all his life.  Pakistanis must realize that your population, as well as area is much lesser than ours.  Indeed, if you choose, you can see yourself as 4:28 to us; the number of states that each of us is constituted of.  No dishonour in being younger- everyone is younger to someone or the other)

Look around you.  Come and visit India, if you must and if you can- you will know that India is way better than Pakistan.  Once again, it is not that we do not have problems in our home- but then which home is free of problems?  Just because I feel that I have some problems in my home, does not mean that I will like to sleep in the gutter.  Clean your gutter, and then talk.

Wake up, Mr. Malick, wake up.  


You guys are so full of yourself!  You DARE find problems with India?  True we have had our communal riots; true we have had one mosque demolished.  True we had one incidence where a Chief Minister was accused of having used state apparatus to harm, or not save from harm, muslims at the time of riots.  But we have had Muslim Presidents, CJIs, Governors, Chief Ministers, chiefs of armed forces, IAS toppers…  the list is endless…

And guess what, each one of us, and I mean all Indians, not just Indian Muslims, have faced some or the other problem with the state- but we are moving towards cleaning our act.  For suspicion of killing a criminal, who happened to be a Muslim, in a fake encounter, we have put a minister in jail.  What of you?  Will you even talk of problems that plague your religious minorities?  

First, you got rid of your own Hindus.  Those that are left are discriminated against.  Even in your institutions of higher learning, Muslim students do not even talk to, forget give equal respect to Hindu students!  Pakistani Christians are treated like dirt.  You still call the people that went from India by the appellation of ‘refugee’.  You harassed the Bengalis so much that they chose to secede.  

True, you blame us for that last one- but are you saying that Pakistanis are so dumb that they do not know their own good- why else would so many Pakistanis leave Pakistan and create their own homeland, and call it Bangla Desh?

Then you started inventing minorities!

You graduated to harassing Ahmadis- (I am NOT an Ahmadi, by the way) you decided that they are not Muslims!  More Muslims, I am sure, have been killed in Shia-Sunni fights in Pakistan, than in India, in Hindu-Muslim riots.  Now, you guys are not content with that, and your Wahhabis / Salafis / Purists are busy getting rid of Barelvis!

Wake up Mr. Malick, wake up!


I disagree with the Honourable Supreme Court of India.  Every school must have the freedom to inculcate whatever norms of dressing they deem fit.  If parents or the students have a problem, they can leave the school.

You say that personal freedom is paramount- that Salim’s personal freedom must prevail when it is at odds with the school discipline.  What crap, Mr. Malik!  Can you change your religion, advertise the fact and walk the streets of Pakistan?  What will happen to you, if you become a Christian tomorrow, write a column on that, and challenge everyone that it is your personal freedom which you are exercising, and kar le jisko jo karna hai?  What will happen to you and your personal freedom?  Will not devout Pakistani Muslims see it as their duty to execute upon the Shariah requirement to kill you?  

You, commenting on what you call Indian “culture of hatred”!

Trust me, mere bhai, we trust the concept of hatred way less than you do.  I am a Pakhtun, and I am NOT proud that Pakhtunwali requires revenge.  I am an Indian, and I am proud that father of our Nation requires us to follow a path of non-violence.  

Wake up Mr Malick, wake up. 


As for losing a year, Salim brought the issue upon himself.  If he was interested in studying, he should have shaved.  If he was also interested in keeping his beard, he should have changed the school.  Beard is not compulsory in Islam, but shaving it is compulsory in that school.  Simple.  Where is the confusion?  Do you think Salim or anyone in his family follows other sunnats?  Do you think he will marry as simply as Rasoolallah PBUH did?  Do you think he is that keen on education that he will go to China to study, as Rasoolallah PBUH asked Muslims to do, in the interest of advancing knowledge?  He could not even shave his beard- how he will accept the pains of living in China!

Talking of beards, both the people that are credited with creating Pakistan, Iqbal and Jinnah, did not keep beards.  And by the way, is it your portrait at the top of the page?  Forgot your beard home, did you?  Iqbal freely mixed with non-mahram women who did not wear hijab.  Which one of them offered namaaz as regularly as is expected of Muslim role-models today?  Do you?  And you applaud Salim for fighting for beard, instead of studying hard and becoming a leader in whatever line of learning he chooses.  Do you think he would have been stopped from keeping a beard, then?  His efforts at getting the rules changed, then, would have been easier and more productive.  Our Prime Minister has a beard- and he is not stopped from entering any schools.  Except, of course, I am not sure of any madarsa being run by people with your Pakistani mindset!

Mr. Malik, your slip is showing- you want the majority of Indian Muslims to wallow in their ignorance and their pitiable exhibitionist piety.  That will help you in your anti-India writings in future.  That will help your hawks in covering your own misery and interfering in our lives.

Let me ask you a question, Mr. Malik: Do you really believe in the existence of Allah?  If you do, why are you so unsure about His justice?  Why not wait?  Na ghoda duur, na maidan!  Methinks, you are so worried about the ‘identity’ of Muslims because you do not believe in Allah.  For if He exists, He needs no defence from you- and Muslims need no separate ‘identity’.   Fear the day, Mr. Malik when He will ask you why you were so doubtful about His capability to do what He wishes with all His creations: Muslim, or otherwise.

Wake up Mr. Malick, wake up.


You talk of Sachar Committee report.  Does it not occur to you that it is only in India that you can even have a Sachar Committee; it is only in India that it can find problems with the treatment of religious minorities.  What do you think Pakistan has done for its religious minorities?  Even put up a fair and fearless commission?  

It is indeed shameful that, as you say (I have not independently verified) only 4% of Indian undergrads in colleges / universities are Muslims and only 2% at PG level.  Shameful, indeed.  But it is NOT my India’s shame- it is my personal shame- as a Muslim.  

And the reason is obvious: I am more interested in keeping beard and wasting the Honourable Supreme Court’s time, than pursuing my studies.  

I have seen Indian Muslim society as an insider and I say that the problem has to do with the culture and nurture that our elders are imparting to our boys.  We are always busy congratulating ourselves that we are following the right path shown to us by Allah, and that we will get our rewards in jannat.  Quite obviously, the message is that it is not quite necessary to take any pains studying, if you are praying five times a day.  After all, back-breaking studies take care only of the next half a century; why not prepare straight for the infinity from then on.  That too, when all one seemingly needs to do is to pray five times a day and keeps a beard: neither is even a fraction as tough as excelling in studies.

Let me tell you what you are either not aware of, or do not want your readers to know.  We have (or had till recently) mandatory Board examinations at Class X and XII levels.  In the answer sheets, the students name is not written.  Even the Roll Number is replaced with different codes by some boards before the answer sheets are sent to examiners.  So, there is no way the examiner or anyone else can know the religious affiliation of the student or his parents.  So, one would expect that any results in such examinations would be free of any bias or wrong-doing.

Despite all this, the pass percentage, across regions in India, is lower for Muslims than for Hindus; and is less for Muslim boys than for Muslim girls.  There were, invariably, much fewer Muslim boys in Merit lists than their population proportion, and the preference that they get over girls in their homes, would suggest.  

In the absence of a strong family requirement of excelling in studies, Muslim boys do not do so.  Those who do somehow finish their studies, choose not to pursue their careers with the same single-minded devotion that is called for, today.  Whatever they do by omission, Pakistan is doing by commission- by sending terrorists to our country.  Now even conscientious and fair hirers are getting afraid of hiring Muslim boys: who knows which one is a Pakistani implant?  Further, many of those who are hired, then become a pain for the employer, through their intransigence, making it even tougher for boys that come after them.  I have seen all this first hand, and would be willing to testify in any court of law, or follow-on to Sachar committee.  

I have myself studied most of my life as a Govt. sponsored student, and at no point did I ever sense that I was being made to pay for having a Muslim name.  Nor during the quarter century that I worked.  No, Sir.  My whole life is a testament to India’s pluralism.  I suggest you come and see me- I will help you disabuse yourself of any notions that Pakistan can ever hold a candle to the Indian pluralism.

Further, only dumb people expect equal or better deal in places where they do struggle under a stigma.  Can you openly say, for example, that you are gay, and expect any National Award in Pakistan?  And, all said and done, it can not but be a stigma, to have claimed your own share and still unashamedly stay on in your Uncle’s house, even though your Uncle has legally adopted you and sees you as his natural child.  But then the stigma is not about the Uncle, or you- it is that your father has been an idiot incapable of taking care of his children, or his wife!  

That the two Nation theory is patently false is now obvious.  If not, how come, the two Nations chose to become three?  And why are they straining at the leash to become even more?  However, Pakistani mindset can not accept having perpetrated such a huge blunder.  That seems to be the only reason you guys continue with your false propaganda.  Stop it, please.  Look what it has done to you.  That mindset will bleed you to death, unless you stop focusing on creating trouble for India.

Wake up Mr. Malick, wake up.


You end remark is uncalled for.  Mahatma Gandhi did more good for Muslims of undivided India than Iqbal and Jinnah, put together, hurt them.  As for the Muslims of Independent India, we owe our very existence to that great man.  If it were not for him, there would be as few Muslims in India, as there are Hindus in Pakistan.

As always, people with the Pakistani mindset misread all that they do manage to read.  At no point is the Mahatma advocating giving greater importance to animals than people.  Please read your history, without the Pakistani glasses on.  In the aftermath of the Chauri Chaura killing of 23 policemen of the British Raj, the Mahatma accepted his culpability, though he was nowhere present, performed penance and withdrew the Non-cooperation movement.

If that is how he treated his enemies, how do you think he would feel about people that were with him, that were his fellow countrymen?  It is indeed sad that you allow yourself to be so swayed by your own propaganda and your own policy of hate, that you cannot even give credit where it is due.

I pray to almighty Allah to show you siraate mustaqeem, and have you stop hating India so much.  Remember, hate burns you from the inside.

I further pray that the Almighty makes you, and others with Pakistani mindset, to start understanding that one’s primary responsibility lies towards improving himself, and not fighting with the world.  It makes way more sense to cover your feet with leather, to protect them, than to demand that all the roads you travel be so covered.  Khudi ko buland karna hai to khud to buland kijiye, doosron ko neecha dikhane ki koshish nahin.

And now, having objected to you so vehemently, I must again thank you for another good thing that you have done.  You have complimented Salim on not taking recourse to violence.  It indeed heartens me to note that you do not approve of violent methods.

You will be, indeed, I am myself wondering why I invested so much time in this response.  I guess it is because I have a special interest in this case since I have lived in Sironj (the town where the said school runs), when I was a kid, and still have interests there.  I, therefore, find it important to debunk the myths that you are so intent on creating, using that incidence. 

Anyway, wishing you better understanding of the realities around you, 
Wassalam, An Indian Muslim,
owaisINDIAkhan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>جناب ملک صاحب، آداب<br />
ہمارے سپریم کورٹ کو شاباشی دینے کا شکریہ</p>
<p>And now, I shift to English so that those who do not read Urdu, do not feel excluded. So, once again, thanks for patting our Supreme Court on the back.  I also appreciate your concern in improving the lot of India, of Indians and of Indian Muslims.  However, I take an EXTREMELY strong exception to what you have said.  </p>
<p>I say this as an Indian Muslim: We do NOT need you.  We do NOT need your support.  If we do have any problems, these are mainly because of Pakistan, and because of Pakistani mindset.  (And Pakistani mindset is not limited to Pakistanis, or even to Muslims: some non-Pakistanis and some non-muslims have it too).  </p>
<p>Let me tell you what I really think: You guys have no shame.  You wreck the home that was undivided India.  You are like that younger brother who claimed his share from the ancestral property, divided the home, took some children and mistreated them, left other children to be brought up by the elder brother, and then could not even keep his wife together with him in his own home.  </p>
<p>And now, he blames the elder brother for &#8216;making him divorce&#8217; his wife.  And for mistreating the children that he left behind, which his elder brother legally adopted and brought up as his own.  </p>
<p>Go take a hike, Mr. Malick.  India has brought me up, India has cared for me, India has loved me. All that Pakistan has ever done is obsessed with India, and made some of us doubt that India is indeed our own, and our only home &amp; well-wisher.  Your hate-filled minds have poisoned some minds in India.  And sure, we do have some of our own poison too&#8230;  but I would any day take (even unfair) disciplining by India, than sweet-talk by Pakistan, which contributed nothing to me, and is interested in nothing else, but in hurting India who is clearly, their elder brother.  </p>
<p>(By the way, I fail to understand why Pakistan must find it necessary to have parity with India.  I have seen one of my uncles, himself no good, but always jealous of his elder brother, who did very well.  Always obsessed with his own inferiority, he never managed to hurt the elder brother much, but only hurt himself all his life.  Pakistanis must realize that your population, as well as area is much lesser than ours.  Indeed, if you choose, you can see yourself as 4:28 to us; the number of states that each of us is constituted of.  No dishonour in being younger- everyone is younger to someone or the other)</p>
<p>Look around you.  Come and visit India, if you must and if you can- you will know that India is way better than Pakistan.  Once again, it is not that we do not have problems in our home- but then which home is free of problems?  Just because I feel that I have some problems in my home, does not mean that I will like to sleep in the gutter.  Clean your gutter, and then talk.</p>
<p>Wake up, Mr. Malick, wake up.  </p>
<p>You guys are so full of yourself!  You DARE find problems with India?  True we have had our communal riots; true we have had one mosque demolished.  True we had one incidence where a Chief Minister was accused of having used state apparatus to harm, or not save from harm, muslims at the time of riots.  But we have had Muslim Presidents, CJIs, Governors, Chief Ministers, chiefs of armed forces, IAS toppers…  the list is endless…</p>
<p>And guess what, each one of us, and I mean all Indians, not just Indian Muslims, have faced some or the other problem with the state- but we are moving towards cleaning our act.  For suspicion of killing a criminal, who happened to be a Muslim, in a fake encounter, we have put a minister in jail.  What of you?  Will you even talk of problems that plague your religious minorities?  </p>
<p>First, you got rid of your own Hindus.  Those that are left are discriminated against.  Even in your institutions of higher learning, Muslim students do not even talk to, forget give equal respect to Hindu students!  Pakistani Christians are treated like dirt.  You still call the people that went from India by the appellation of ‘refugee’.  You harassed the Bengalis so much that they chose to secede.  </p>
<p>True, you blame us for that last one- but are you saying that Pakistanis are so dumb that they do not know their own good- why else would so many Pakistanis leave Pakistan and create their own homeland, and call it Bangla Desh?</p>
<p>Then you started inventing minorities!</p>
<p>You graduated to harassing Ahmadis- (I am NOT an Ahmadi, by the way) you decided that they are not Muslims!  More Muslims, I am sure, have been killed in Shia-Sunni fights in Pakistan, than in India, in Hindu-Muslim riots.  Now, you guys are not content with that, and your Wahhabis / Salafis / Purists are busy getting rid of Barelvis!</p>
<p>Wake up Mr. Malick, wake up!</p>
<p>I disagree with the Honourable Supreme Court of India.  Every school must have the freedom to inculcate whatever norms of dressing they deem fit.  If parents or the students have a problem, they can leave the school.</p>
<p>You say that personal freedom is paramount- that Salim’s personal freedom must prevail when it is at odds with the school discipline.  What crap, Mr. Malik!  Can you change your religion, advertise the fact and walk the streets of Pakistan?  What will happen to you, if you become a Christian tomorrow, write a column on that, and challenge everyone that it is your personal freedom which you are exercising, and kar le jisko jo karna hai?  What will happen to you and your personal freedom?  Will not devout Pakistani Muslims see it as their duty to execute upon the Shariah requirement to kill you?  </p>
<p>You, commenting on what you call Indian “culture of hatred”!</p>
<p>Trust me, mere bhai, we trust the concept of hatred way less than you do.  I am a Pakhtun, and I am NOT proud that Pakhtunwali requires revenge.  I am an Indian, and I am proud that father of our Nation requires us to follow a path of non-violence.  </p>
<p>Wake up Mr Malick, wake up. </p>
<p>As for losing a year, Salim brought the issue upon himself.  If he was interested in studying, he should have shaved.  If he was also interested in keeping his beard, he should have changed the school.  Beard is not compulsory in Islam, but shaving it is compulsory in that school.  Simple.  Where is the confusion?  Do you think Salim or anyone in his family follows other sunnats?  Do you think he will marry as simply as Rasoolallah PBUH did?  Do you think he is that keen on education that he will go to China to study, as Rasoolallah PBUH asked Muslims to do, in the interest of advancing knowledge?  He could not even shave his beard- how he will accept the pains of living in China!</p>
<p>Talking of beards, both the people that are credited with creating Pakistan, Iqbal and Jinnah, did not keep beards.  And by the way, is it your portrait at the top of the page?  Forgot your beard home, did you?  Iqbal freely mixed with non-mahram women who did not wear hijab.  Which one of them offered namaaz as regularly as is expected of Muslim role-models today?  Do you?  And you applaud Salim for fighting for beard, instead of studying hard and becoming a leader in whatever line of learning he chooses.  Do you think he would have been stopped from keeping a beard, then?  His efforts at getting the rules changed, then, would have been easier and more productive.  Our Prime Minister has a beard- and he is not stopped from entering any schools.  Except, of course, I am not sure of any madarsa being run by people with your Pakistani mindset!</p>
<p>Mr. Malik, your slip is showing- you want the majority of Indian Muslims to wallow in their ignorance and their pitiable exhibitionist piety.  That will help you in your anti-India writings in future.  That will help your hawks in covering your own misery and interfering in our lives.</p>
<p>Let me ask you a question, Mr. Malik: Do you really believe in the existence of Allah?  If you do, why are you so unsure about His justice?  Why not wait?  Na ghoda duur, na maidan!  Methinks, you are so worried about the ‘identity’ of Muslims because you do not believe in Allah.  For if He exists, He needs no defence from you- and Muslims need no separate ‘identity’.   Fear the day, Mr. Malik when He will ask you why you were so doubtful about His capability to do what He wishes with all His creations: Muslim, or otherwise.</p>
<p>Wake up Mr. Malick, wake up.</p>
<p>You talk of Sachar Committee report.  Does it not occur to you that it is only in India that you can even have a Sachar Committee; it is only in India that it can find problems with the treatment of religious minorities.  What do you think Pakistan has done for its religious minorities?  Even put up a fair and fearless commission?  </p>
<p>It is indeed shameful that, as you say (I have not independently verified) only 4% of Indian undergrads in colleges / universities are Muslims and only 2% at PG level.  Shameful, indeed.  But it is NOT my India’s shame- it is my personal shame- as a Muslim.  </p>
<p>And the reason is obvious: I am more interested in keeping beard and wasting the Honourable Supreme Court’s time, than pursuing my studies.  </p>
<p>I have seen Indian Muslim society as an insider and I say that the problem has to do with the culture and nurture that our elders are imparting to our boys.  We are always busy congratulating ourselves that we are following the right path shown to us by Allah, and that we will get our rewards in jannat.  Quite obviously, the message is that it is not quite necessary to take any pains studying, if you are praying five times a day.  After all, back-breaking studies take care only of the next half a century; why not prepare straight for the infinity from then on.  That too, when all one seemingly needs to do is to pray five times a day and keeps a beard: neither is even a fraction as tough as excelling in studies.</p>
<p>Let me tell you what you are either not aware of, or do not want your readers to know.  We have (or had till recently) mandatory Board examinations at Class X and XII levels.  In the answer sheets, the students name is not written.  Even the Roll Number is replaced with different codes by some boards before the answer sheets are sent to examiners.  So, there is no way the examiner or anyone else can know the religious affiliation of the student or his parents.  So, one would expect that any results in such examinations would be free of any bias or wrong-doing.</p>
<p>Despite all this, the pass percentage, across regions in India, is lower for Muslims than for Hindus; and is less for Muslim boys than for Muslim girls.  There were, invariably, much fewer Muslim boys in Merit lists than their population proportion, and the preference that they get over girls in their homes, would suggest.  </p>
<p>In the absence of a strong family requirement of excelling in studies, Muslim boys do not do so.  Those who do somehow finish their studies, choose not to pursue their careers with the same single-minded devotion that is called for, today.  Whatever they do by omission, Pakistan is doing by commission- by sending terrorists to our country.  Now even conscientious and fair hirers are getting afraid of hiring Muslim boys: who knows which one is a Pakistani implant?  Further, many of those who are hired, then become a pain for the employer, through their intransigence, making it even tougher for boys that come after them.  I have seen all this first hand, and would be willing to testify in any court of law, or follow-on to Sachar committee.  </p>
<p>I have myself studied most of my life as a Govt. sponsored student, and at no point did I ever sense that I was being made to pay for having a Muslim name.  Nor during the quarter century that I worked.  No, Sir.  My whole life is a testament to India’s pluralism.  I suggest you come and see me- I will help you disabuse yourself of any notions that Pakistan can ever hold a candle to the Indian pluralism.</p>
<p>Further, only dumb people expect equal or better deal in places where they do struggle under a stigma.  Can you openly say, for example, that you are gay, and expect any National Award in Pakistan?  And, all said and done, it can not but be a stigma, to have claimed your own share and still unashamedly stay on in your Uncle’s house, even though your Uncle has legally adopted you and sees you as his natural child.  But then the stigma is not about the Uncle, or you- it is that your father has been an idiot incapable of taking care of his children, or his wife!  </p>
<p>That the two Nation theory is patently false is now obvious.  If not, how come, the two Nations chose to become three?  And why are they straining at the leash to become even more?  However, Pakistani mindset can not accept having perpetrated such a huge blunder.  That seems to be the only reason you guys continue with your false propaganda.  Stop it, please.  Look what it has done to you.  That mindset will bleed you to death, unless you stop focusing on creating trouble for India.</p>
<p>Wake up Mr. Malick, wake up.</p>
<p>You end remark is uncalled for.  Mahatma Gandhi did more good for Muslims of undivided India than Iqbal and Jinnah, put together, hurt them.  As for the Muslims of Independent India, we owe our very existence to that great man.  If it were not for him, there would be as few Muslims in India, as there are Hindus in Pakistan.</p>
<p>As always, people with the Pakistani mindset misread all that they do manage to read.  At no point is the Mahatma advocating giving greater importance to animals than people.  Please read your history, without the Pakistani glasses on.  In the aftermath of the Chauri Chaura killing of 23 policemen of the British Raj, the Mahatma accepted his culpability, though he was nowhere present, performed penance and withdrew the Non-cooperation movement.</p>
<p>If that is how he treated his enemies, how do you think he would feel about people that were with him, that were his fellow countrymen?  It is indeed sad that you allow yourself to be so swayed by your own propaganda and your own policy of hate, that you cannot even give credit where it is due.</p>
<p>I pray to almighty Allah to show you siraate mustaqeem, and have you stop hating India so much.  Remember, hate burns you from the inside.</p>
<p>I further pray that the Almighty makes you, and others with Pakistani mindset, to start understanding that one’s primary responsibility lies towards improving himself, and not fighting with the world.  It makes way more sense to cover your feet with leather, to protect them, than to demand that all the roads you travel be so covered.  Khudi ko buland karna hai to khud to buland kijiye, doosron ko neecha dikhane ki koshish nahin.</p>
<p>And now, having objected to you so vehemently, I must again thank you for another good thing that you have done.  You have complimented Salim on not taking recourse to violence.  It indeed heartens me to note that you do not approve of violent methods.</p>
<p>You will be, indeed, I am myself wondering why I invested so much time in this response.  I guess it is because I have a special interest in this case since I have lived in Sironj (the town where the said school runs), when I was a kid, and still have interests there.  I, therefore, find it important to debunk the myths that you are so intent on creating, using that incidence. </p>
<p>Anyway, wishing you better understanding of the realities around you,<br />
Wassalam, An Indian Muslim,<br />
owaisINDIAkhan</p>
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<p>Check this video:</p>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@Ali Murtaza&lt;/b&gt;: 

Terrorists like you and the freak buggermonger who wrote this blog are a blight on humanity. You guys dont like it in India, then BUZZ OFF to whereever you came from - like Terroristan err I mean Pakistan.</description>
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<p>Terrorists like you and the freak buggermonger who wrote this blog are a blight on humanity. You guys dont like it in India, then BUZZ OFF to whereever you came from &#8211; like Terroristan err I mean Pakistan.</p>
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		<description>Looks like this article is written by another hateful Paki. Pakis are born to hate and cause terrorism. They are the right hand man of The Devil. If you look into a Pakis eyes, you will see it burning with hatered. They want to kill and maim people of other religions. From the time of their birth, Pakistanis are taught at home and in school how to hate, terrorize and kill people of other religions. It is any surprise this Paki who wrote this article is also a hateful Gandoo ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like this article is written by another hateful Paki. Pakis are born to hate and cause terrorism. They are the right hand man of The Devil. If you look into a Pakis eyes, you will see it burning with hatered. They want to kill and maim people of other religions. From the time of their birth, Pakistanis are taught at home and in school how to hate, terrorize and kill people of other religions. It is any surprise this Paki who wrote this article is also a hateful Gandoo ?</p>
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		<description>I think India is an open example of religious Pluralism. India is country only for those who can plunder the wealth of poor people. I think Indian Governemnt is making their Ordinary Public fool and are Pouring Wealth in their Personal Bank Accounts in the name of enmity with Pakistan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think India is an open example of religious Pluralism. India is country only for those who can plunder the wealth of poor people. I think Indian Governemnt is making their Ordinary Public fool and are Pouring Wealth in their Personal Bank Accounts in the name of enmity with Pakistan</p>
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		<description>@Sagheer ..

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<p>His movies are running houseful &#8230; this happens only in INDIA .. !</p>
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		<description>@Sandip Dev:
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