He went to the local mosque in his American Army fatigues and the grocery store in his traditional Arab garb; no doubt about it, Major Nidal Malik Hassan had some serious problems. Or did he? From what we have learned from politics of identity in the post-colonial world, ”identity” is not only the sense of being; it is the perceived differentiator, it is what distinguishes us from others.
Gladly, there are very few crackheads like Major Nidal Malik Hassan. But with politics of identity so prevalent, I worry someone else may also snap. Ever since the unfortunate events of 9/11, Muslims around the world have had it really tough. They are pigeonholed by the reactionary politics of identity.
Before I go any further, here is a note of caution to my American and Western friends: Major Malik was an aberration, not the norm. My name may be Malick, but that doesn’t mean you have to hassle me at the airport, or in banks and bars.
From what I have gathered so far, it seems the mass killer Hassan was a victim of a reactionary obsession with his identity. I am no Dr. Phil, but it appears he was unable to locate himself in public culture, even though public culture provides formal, and often ample, settings for definitions and experiences of identities. Identities are defined and experienced in settings that differ from the social spaces of public culture in multiple ways. The intimacy experienced within the family or in the process of worship or watching news or playing video games are all examples of identity-forming experiences. No matter where and how identities are defined, a pathological obsession with identity is repeatedly constructed on the politics of reaction.
This is exactly what has happened to many Muslims around the world, and I can cite several personal anecdotes to prove my point. For example, my cousin grew a beard and started to pray five times a day after 9/11 and my erstwhile socialist friends built mosques in the U.S. But these are personal stories and I’m sure you have several as well; just take a look at your Facebook and you will find religion pouring out of the “info” pages of your Muslim friends.
Why have we become so hyper-sensitive? Why have we become so consumed with only one aspect of our identity at the expense of all others? Why are Muslims doing poorly in the areas of economy, education, and social work? Granted, there is a worldwide economic crisis, but the economies of 57 Islamic countries have been hit the hardest by the global financial crisis, with the real GDP growth at a historical low of 1.2 percent, according to the Islamic Development Bank. I have not seen any paradigm shift in processes, any scientific innovation, any cultural breakthroughs or enviable examples of entrepreneurship coming from the Muslim world.
Morons like Major Hassan abound; there is an abundance of suicide bombers, but Muslim scholars are few and far between. There are no conferences on science, technology and progress, but rather Mullahs and tote scholars in our country hold conferences on creationism. Now there is something they have in common with fundamentalist Christians. Come to think of it, crazy Muslims have plenty in common with crazy Christians and crazy Jews and crazy Hindus. But I digress.
One can argue that Major Hassan was mentally ill and he might have been belonged to any religion, gender, or race. Agreed! After all, none of the previous mass shootings in the U.S. were perpetrated by Muslims. Anyone can go postal, if I may use the expression.
But when a Muslim-American commits such a heinous crime, his identity has a multiplier effect. He allegedly felt harassed as a Muslim in the U.S. military, and wasn’t treated as any American and soldier should be. He wore his religion on his sleeve, wearing his military uniform to services and a cap and tunic around his apartment complex. But one day, he discovered his car keyed and his “Allah is Love” bumper sticker ripped to shreds. A fellow soldier was charged, and the apartment manager where the two lived said the serviceman had recently returned from Iraq and was upset that Hassan is Muslim.
Whatever Hassan’s complaints may have been, there is no excuse for his actions; there are thousands of Muslims in the U.S. military, and they don’t go shooting fellow soldiers. There is no exact count of Muslims in the military. The Pentagon lists 3,557 Muslims out of 1.4 million U.S. service members, but the figure is likely low because disclosure is voluntary. This nut-case psychiatrist has made it seriously difficult for all Muslims in the military; his violent deed has the potential to unravel all the work of other Muslims to be accepted as loyal, dedicated soldiers. There is a great likelihood that the reputation of every Muslim in the armed forces may be yet another casualty of Hassan’s foolish bloodshed.
I have plenty confidence in the kindness of American people and I feel any backlash will be limited. I am glad that Muslim organizations did not waste time condemning this incident. A good friend from the Islamic Circle of North America said he was praying that this reprobate will turn out to be anything but a Muslim. Unfortunately, in this particular circumstance his prayers didn’t work.
Muslims are caught in a very vicious cycle of reactionary politics of identity. Coming out of it is extremely critical and will be the most challenging struggle Ummah has ever faced.
Ibrahim Sajid Malick is a Pakistani-American writer, technologist, and social entrepreneur. He has been writing on Pakistani society and politics since 1986. He has held several media, communications, and technology positions for organizations large and small. Mr. Malick graduated from New School for Social Research with a master’s degree in anthropology. He holds several technology and management certifications. He works for a leading technology firm and blogs at www.ibrahimsajidmalick.com
@Tariq Qureshi: why are u promoting a munafiq?
@Moeen: ZAK is here to watch Muslim brothers fight. he is this writers material and spritual master,
@Zameer
He gave a very succinct analysis … and he lives in that part of the west, so he knows the Anglo-American culture and mind. Just my thought.
I absolutely love you for writing this. I will not take my time to read the rest of these comments, since the first one pretty much turned me off, but regardless of what everyone else might say; I think it takes a lot of guts, and insight to deliver such a strong perspective. Being a student of psych & philosophy, I completely understood where you were coming from.
I actually wrote a whole essay about your article in this little comment box but I’ll go ahead & remove it for now, perhaps if you’re interested, I’ll deliver my commentary through an email. Again, well done.
@Shahzad: I think Shehzad u need an attitude adjustment or probably ur some Insane Idiot Indian trying to be a Muslim and I can smell that with the way u have said Sh*t about Pakistan, Its easy to say all this on internet, anyways Islam is a religion and more then a religion its a way of life for us.
As far as the writer is concerned, I am sure he should not be writing the topic as what he has written.
Anyways Worst of Luck to Him
ACTUALLY EARLIER MR IBRAHIM WAS A MONKEY TRAINER WITH ONE MONKEY.
LAST MONTH HIS MONKEY HAS DIED & HE HAS NO JOB NOW EXCEPT WRITING SUCH MAD ARTICLES…
MAY BABA IBRAHIM U & UR MONKEY’S SOUL REMAIN IN HELL FOR PROPER TREATMENT
Zameer’s comments … it could be a classic case of ‘someone’ trying to infiltrate Muslim ranks and minds, to corrupt them! Allaah knows best. Sorry Zameer, if you are not an impostor … to me it just seemed that way by reading your first two comments.
Tariq Qureshi maybe you should consider that the author Mr. Malick is also a Muslim and trying to show you that Allah does not want you to praise those who murder innocent women and children. 1
Mr. Zameer – Salam. Yes it is true I am not a Muslim and I have said this, but it does not mean I cannot give a comment on what I see happening in the name of Islam on here. I have studied Quran and even the way of Jihad and Quran only allows Jihad for certain specific circumstances and the Prophet Muhammed NEVER SAID to go and kill women and children as Mr. Hassan has said. I said kafir because you are advocating an evil which is directly against the will of Allah. It is stupid for Christians and Muslims to fight. We have a lot of shared history and belief. Why everytime a non Muslim try to speak with Muslims about Islam it is always viewed as attack? I have Muslims speak to me about my Christian faith and there is no problem, I don’t see them as demons trying to attack my faith, they are my friends. Peace upon you.
ZAID thank you for your comments. I see what you are saying and I agree. Peace be upon you.
@Tariq Qureshi
Naoozbillah! why would you sin by calling me a non-muslim? OK I maybe harsh on this writer. but there is history. look at his previous articles. he is always writing against my country, Pakistan army, ISI and every toopic that Americans, Jews and Hindus want him to write. In the name of moderation he is sell out to the devil. And that is why I am frustrated.
My problems with Islam are not so much “from the inside” where it is a largely self-consistent and beautiful idea, but when looking at Islam “from the outside” and observing a number of clashes with reality as we know it. Look at the conversation here and Islamists are supporting Nidal and it is very clear why no one in Pakistan wants to speak the truth.
Dear Ibrahim – If an alleged criminal merely happens to be a Muslim, then religion may well be immaterial. But if his crime is committed in the name of Islam, then religion serves to motivate. In that case, the suspect’s Muslim identity absolutely matters. Words, gestures and images should be analyzed – fully, openly and honestly.
@Irshad: hey, you the Irshad Manji?? Lesbo? If not, Am really sorry!!
The biggest factor that drove people like me away from religion is the selective Islam practised by most of its preachers. In other words, there is a huge difference between what we practised and what we preach. Also, rather than explaining the philosophy behind the religion, there is an over emphasis on loyalty. I feel that humans are different; to animals whereas the latter can be drilled, humans need to be intellectually convinced. That is why the Quran constantly appeals to reason. The worst of course, is the exploitation of Islam for political gains by various individuals or groups.
And, that is why I AM AN ATHIEST… and I live in my closet in Gulberg, Lahore.
The fastest way to leave Islam is to wrongly call another person a Kafir. Waste no time debating what a good Muslim should be. Be one!
@Murad
we will find you and give u a chance to accetp Islam. brother don’t let little things bother you so much that you speak such rubbish nonesense. i know there is a good muslim in you.
I am sure the author has identity problem because he seems like Muslims but he likes to dress like Jews
Being Muslim, for me it is a sad incident, but its time to find the reasons why this happened? Why this is only happing only in America and with American ?( as u sow so shall u reap)
Every immigrant faces Identity crises because of the host nation attitude.
I have a question to every body including the author that “what do u say about Virginia Tech massacre April 16, 2007, when Seung Hui Cho a south Korean killed 33 people” was that an identity crises?
He committed suicide; can we say that was a suicide attack?
Sorry Zameer, brother, it was just a guess … no offense.
@Zak … It might be helpful to learn to understand the written english … perhaps you are the one that is trying to infiltrate muslim ranks and corrupt their minds … to enrage them for nothing and lead them into extremism.
I know exactly what the author means … you agent!
Murad: Sire, you should have read the Quran or the Hadith.. Come back to Islam.. True Islam, There is much more hope and peace.
Tariq Qureshi please calm down and speak rationally. No I am not an anti-Muslim agent or a provocateur of extremist ideology. That you would even accuse me of this based on what I said is both sad and very telling. And an ad hominem insult – I am a native English speaker/reader/writer at the university graduate level and you? You actually proved my point. I said initially we need for Muslims to be introspective and calmly analyze the problems within the faith in a constructive way (such as dealing with what Jihad really means and dealing with terrorism to name a few issues) and you give a reactionary defensive response. I do not mean any harm to Islam or any Muslims. As I said I am friends with Muslims and we have good relationships. If I am an agent it is one of Christ.
@Zak … You are still an idiot, beecauzzeee … I wrote comments in favor of the article! Your instigator!
@Zameer: If he has published a cowardly, based on assumptions article he will be questiioned. You, however, should be the better person and disregard it as piece of uninfluential mockery. I’ve read the Quran, perhaps even more times than you have..and the Quran only advocates peace and forgiveness..if you can’t stand what he wrote then argue with him on intellectual basis…don’t be ruthless and impatient because THESE characteristics aren’t fit for muslims. His account is with God, not you.
So tell him he is wrong but don’t go around condemning people to hell because you are agitated. Practice Islam before you start preaching.
@ M Shiraz… how can you be so sure that author has identity problem? May I suggest that you read this article again. He writes above:
“One can argue that Major Hassan was mentally ill and he might have been belonged to any religion, gender, or race. Agreed! After all, none of the previous mass shootings in the U.S. were perpetrated by Muslims. Anyone can go postal, if I may use the expression. ”
Virginia Tech killer was as crazy as Nidal. Difference however, is Virgina Tech killer did not yell “Allah u Akbar”. Unlike Nidal he had no political motives. Here is another quote from article above:
“But when a Muslim-American commits such a heinous crime, his identity has a multiplier effect. ”
This is such a pro Muslim article by someone who wants us to succeed. Why would you negate such an effort?
@Faisal … you are Ibrahim Said Malick or one of his friends.
Shiraz- I am in total agreement with you. This bastard is against Pakistan, Pakistan Army, ISI and most importantly Islam. Read his articles on Hafiz Saeed and ISI. He is exposed to be RAW and CIA agent.
Tariq Qureshi you are the idiot not me, because you chose to attack me and I was not objecting to your comments on the article! Please grow up and stop insulting people here who are trying to have thoughtful debate. You are the instigator.
Fact of the matter is… This article makes complete sense… The question of Muslim identity has become a very problematic one… Each such incident drags us further back… The reactionary backlash helps swell the ranks of extremists by luring lost and troubled teenagers to the “Islamic cause”…
What depresses me is the comments by many of the people here… Acting like little children… They refuse to believe anything that doesn’t fit in with their paranoid version of the world… Mercy on us all if these idiots get their way… They’ll be the death of us all…
Above, I said: “As to the reason why: ‘there is an abundance of suicide bombers, but Muslim scholars are few and far between. There are no conferences on science, technology and progress, but rather Mullahs and tote scholars in our country hold conferences on creationism,’ it’s because fundamentalists want to impose sharia law on us all. And for that to happen, they need to keep us compliant, ignorant, stupid and superstitious.
“Progress, thought, education, knowledge and tolerance are the enemies.”
_________________
Yes, the fundamental extremists do need to keep the rest of us “compliant, ignorant, stupid and superstitious,” but I left out what is probably the most important thing. They need to keep us afraid. Scared, frightened, even terrified.
That’s the reason people like Zameer want to know how to find Ibrahim Malick. They want to threaten him and intimidate him in order to shut him up.
I actually feel a little bit sorry for Zameer. It must be very difficult to believe in something that you don’t think is strong enough or valid enough to stand up to even the slightest bit of open debate and discussion.
And it’s such a shame. The whole world would be better off if we could introduce them to true Islam – a religion of peace, enlightenment, scholarship, and knowledge.
Instead of the Islam of Zameer and his ilk – a backward religion of violence, threats and intimidation.
@ Mustaffa…. U didnt read what i wrote…. I didnt put a statement on anyone… and I didnt say who is having a house in Heaven and who is not… so either u read some eles’ comment or u r to busy guessing who is going where… where each of us go rest in our own hands, what we do in this world for it counts… here u n me dnt even know who is having a house in Heaven and u r talking about my father or Mr. Malick. Read my earlier comment again and then reply…. NO HARD FEELINGS…
ASSALAM O ALIKUM
“O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you – then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.” [al Maidah 51]
No matter how much you try to be their friend Mr Malik, how much you try to be like them, adopt their values, they can never be your friends. Major Hasan had no issues! He knew clearly what he did. He killed American Soldiers that were to be deployed in Iraq/Afghanistan to kill Innocent Muslim Men, Women and Children. He saved many lives and may Allah swt reward him for this InshAllah. I hope that All Muslim soldiers in the US Army follow the example that has been set. Attack the enemy from within.
This article makes no sense whatsoever. Nidal had grievence and he settled it. Why blame Muslims when we are treated so badly. Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and Kashmir are occupied by infidels. What should the Muslims do? Rollover?
Mr. writer- you son of a bitch you will go to hell. STOP WRITING BS
If Irshad Manji is lesbo I wish I was a woman. She is hot… super hot! is she pakistani? for her I will leave any religion, join any cult..
It is important for every Muslim to know that Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran warned us from the Muslim hypocrites. Not everyone who claims to be a Muslim like this writer is one. Muslims must stay away from the Muslim hypocrites and never listen to them:
“O Prophet! Fear God, and hearken not to the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites: verily God is full of Knowledge and Wisdom. (The Holy Quran, 33:1)”
The punishment of the hypocrites in Hell:
“The Hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of the Fire: no helper wilt thou find for them; (The Noble Quran, 4:145)”
“To the Hypocrites give the glad tidings that there is for them (but) a grievous penalty; (The Noble Quran, 4:138)”
“O Prophet! strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed. (The Noble Quran, 9:73)”
“And that He may punish the Hypocrites, men and women, and the Polytheists men and women, who imagine an evil opinion of God. On them is a round of Evil: the Wrath of God is on them: He has cursed them and got Hell ready for them: and evil is it for a destination. (The Noble Quran, 48:6)”
“One Day will the Hypocrites- men and women – say to the Believers: “Wait for us! Let us borrow (a Light) from your Light!” It will be said: “Turn ye back to your rear! then seek a Light (where ye can)!” So a wall will be put up betwixt them, with a gate therein. Within it will be Mercy throughout, and without it, all alongside, will be (Wrath and) Punishment! (The Noble Quran, 57:13)”
According to the Noble Verses above, the hypocrites from among the Muslims will receive the most painful punishment in Hell. And, Insha Allah Ibrahim Sajid Malick will be among those who will brun in hell.
Well there’s no harm in presenting a different point of view like this, I it’s healthy to have different people with different views and in the end it does help…
Nice Article, Keep it Up.
Emphasizing on the religion of the person doesn’t really help in these type of crimes… Onething which is not presented is that he was dealing with a lot of American Psychos and that must have gradually made him like one of those… He was their psychiatrist and must have been absorbing everything from his American Psycho Soldier Patients…
Zameer = Thanks for understanding my point !
Faisal = you better wake you, cause just because of soft Conner people like you, makes American think that their policies about Muslims are right! Which is not good.
Cho was American like Maj.Hassan , both of them faced same discrimination from their working environment, Nidal was harassed is Army for being Arab-Muslim!
And this is what u respect of your religion that u use word “Yell” with “Allah-hu-Akber”
Nidal is born American! A graduate from Virginia Tech, don’t U forget that , what he did with his country men is America’s internal matter, DON’T U OR any other dame Author blame this to Muslims.
Nidal is Palestinian, a man from Holy land, Being a Muslim DO U KNOW what is happing in Palestine?
Maj.Nidal incident is a natural reaction against all that injustice that America is responsible.
Islaam, in America, will not be spread by people like Maj. Hassan. It will be spread by people who show patience and persevere and “do not do injustice to other”. What our brother Hassaan did, was injustice to 14 creations of Allaah (swt). He killed innocent people!! Does anyone care to remind me of the punishment to that, and I mean punishment from Allaah subhanahu wa t’ala.
This article takes and develops only one angle of the story … perhaps “the” most important angle of the story … that we need to stop being reactionaries! Sure, there is a lot that needs to be fixed from Anglo-American behemoth, but what about us the muslims correcting us first!
There is absolutely no justification in what Br. Hassaan did. I only hope that he meets his punishment of death penalty … that is his only chance of being forgiven in the hereafter by Allaah … and Allaah knows best.
@Tariq Qureshi
He did not kill innocent people!. He killed AMERICAN SOLDIERS who are responsible for the killing of millions of innocent men, women and children all over the world. WAKE UP! How is the US ARMY innocent. I just can’t believe what you’re writing. OPEN YOUR EYES! WAKE UP!STOP SLEEPING!
@Br. Shamyl, now look at the implications of what you just said. So, now somehow it becomes okay for American Muslim soldiers to kill American soldiers ….
Yes my friend, life for Muslims is not hell enough in United States as is … please do your utmost to make it the most miserable that you can … just so the right can go on touting comments like yours … Oh look, they believe it is okay to kill fellow American soldiers! Ya .. lets burn down the remaining mosques in the US, why not … yaaahhh … lets ransack the muslim homes even more, why not … yaahhh … lets rip her off of her hijaab, the muslim lady that is on our campus … yaahhh … why not!
Quote from above post by Tariq Qureshi:
“Yes my friend, life for Muslims is not hell enough in United States as is … please do your utmost to make it the most miserable that you can ”
Life for muslims in US is better in quality than life for muslims in Saudi Arab, Pakistan or India. It is for this better quality of life that muslims from all around the world migrate to US and other ‘western’ countries. After Nidal was neutralised of his shooting rampage, he was provided medical assistance. His family was not threatened nor attacked unlike the christian families burned alive and beaten to death in Gojra, Pakistan. Muslim women and children were not hounded and murdered like they were in Gujrat, India nor the muslims in US are subjected to discrimination and humiliation they undergo in Saudi Arabia on a daily basis. A point worth noting for the self-righteous.
@Malik Rashid,
Absolutely, have seen life in Saudi Arabia for decades and have seen life in US as well … true.
But then again … it is also worth noting that life *has* become a bit difficult for the Muslims after 9/11, be it for crazy stuff like this.
Tariq Qureshi and Malik Rashid – Salam brothers. It is refreshing to read your comments. The sad truth is that the #1 persecutor, murderer, rapist, imprisoner and torturer of Christians in the world are Muslims
Yet Christian imams ask us to forgive and follow peace. Why do so many Muslim imams, mullahs and madras teachers call for violence and foster hatred? Do they think this actually pleases Allah? Allah is not some warlord sits back in pleasure as we soldiers fight against each other in His Name. It is frightening we live in 21st century and a lot of people seem to have 7th century mindset. The majority of Muslims in Afghanistan were being oppressed by a minority of Muslims there – the Taliban. They will only accept a very strict Muslim theology which makes almost anything illegal. In Pakistan you see the extremist ideology of the Jihadists causing much turmoil, in Lebanon you see it, in Iraq too. Al Qaeda has killed more Muslims than any Jews or Christians did yet, they are looked at as mujahadeen? There is nothing holy about their savage barbarism. The Muslim who is taught to rejoice when a fellow Muslim or a Christian is murdered is being taught nothing but hatred and this is from Satan not Allah. Who killed the most Muslims in modern times – it was Iraq and Iran fighting each other – two Muslim nations. Everytime a Muslim is upset at the slightest criticism of Islam (even from Muslim imams and scholars) it makes me cringe because I see my Christian brothers and sisters enduring much worse oppression and true discrimination and brutality every day at the hands of so-called Muslims (they are not behaving as true Muslims doing the will of Allah). Please consider this. And when Muslims were being murdered, falsely imprisoned, raped and executed in Iraq for decades why did not a single Muslim nation come force or a single prominent Muslim leader and say we must stop this? Yet every one will speak out against the Palestine situation. This is hypocrisy. In Saudi Arabia there is no freedom for Muslims. Every Muslim should support a revolution there to free their Muslim brothers but no one says anything because the oil money keeps flowing. Christians of the USA have died in Muslim lands while protecting Muslim people. The kafir Talbin and Al Qaeda even murder Red Cross nurses and doctors and UN aid workers trying to make the Muslim countries better! I will stop speaking out against this when I no longer need to do so. When the majority of Muslim religious leaders, teachers, political leaders, scholars and intellectuals will do so. Peace upon you.
Dear World. Please accept this fact that American Army is the world’s no 1 terrorist in uniform. They have killed million of innocent civilians in Iraq just to find fake WMDs as barked by America. It was bullshit as fake drama by Americans only to invade an oil rich country.
Another drama was also formulated by Americans where their own Jew establishment was involved in 9/11 incident and a sub-agency of CIA claimed its responsibility i.e. Al-Qaida.
Seeing all this Nidal as a true muslim tried to refrain himself to involve in such terrorism as American Army but he was harassed in Army for being Arab-Muslim!
Maj.Nidal incident is a natural reaction against all that injustice that America is responsible. He is innocent and a true gallant as he killed these terrorists in uniform.
@ Yasser Ali Khan – finally a voice of reason and justice. May Allah (SWT) protect us all.
@Zak – stop your Christian crusade and world will be a better place for all of us. You drop bomb on our heads and ask us to be polite? You kill our brothers and rape our sisters and wonder why we revenge?
@ Zak
Just read a couple of lines of your comment … did not feel like reading the rest, as I am sure it would veer the discussion off topic. But … after reading the first few lines, I had to put down a few thoughts. A case in point is the comparison of American soldiers versus the taliban. Taliban capture women … women themselves provide the testimony that they were treated with utmost dignity and respect! American soldiers enter muslim homes and insult women (and I do not need to mention specifics). Now where did you get this fantasy that muslims are raping in torturing christians?
It is the mind set and they psyche that leads to certain behaviors, example: Marines practicing deployment to Iraq on the backdrop of “Burn mother f***r burn” … is that what the soldiers are there to do … humiliate the muslims? Muslims kill people while fighting, but do not disrespect and rape the women! … So, what is the point in having your soldiers enter homes of muslims and insult women and men and children, while you preach peace on the podium? Pointless.
But … I felt like adding my comments to the article, because the author did a fantastic job in explaining a certain angle to the story … and quite frankly, from a muslim perspective … we ought to correct our behavior to the utmost, before pointing fingers … it is this that we lack in Paakistaan as well … to put our own house in order. If your kids are naughty, don’t go our fighting the neighbors! and that is the extent to which I would like to limit my comments to.
Someone already mentioned Alex Jones’ http://www.infowars.com, please also have a look at John Perkins site at http://www.johnperkins.org … for those who are interested.
Zameer I am in no crusade. This is 2009 not 1209. There is a growing movement in Islam to have the ummah establish worldwide caliphate and kill anyone who resists. But of course you would be against that right? Stop reading propaganda. The statistics prove what I said. For every Muslim harassed by a Christian there is maybe 10 Christians being harassed by a Muslim. But that is not the main topic we discuss.
Yasser if you believe everything you said there is no reaching you with reason. Only Allah can reach you.
@Zak: stop wasting your time with a**holes like zameer and yasser. they are npt true pakistani representation. mostly pakistanis are fair, moderate and tolerant people.
Here is an article by another NON Muslim and agent of America, CIA and Mosad- Mr. Hussain Haqqani. He is now the Ambassador of Pakistan and he sold out our country to the Americans in Kerry Lugar Bill. Here is what writes:
===============================
“Although listed among the U.S. allies in the war on terrorism, Pakistan cannot easily be characterized as either friend or foe. Indeed, Pakistan has become a major center of radical Islamist ideas and groups, largely because of its past policies toward India and Afghanistan. Pakistan supported Islamist militants fighting Indian rule in the disputed territory of Jammu and Kashmir and backed the Taliban in its pursuit of a client regime in Afghanistan. Since the September 11 attacks, however, the selective cooperation of Pakistan’s president and military ruler, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, in sharing intelligence with the United States and apprehending Al Qaeda members has led to the assumption that Pakistan might be ready to give up its long-standing ties with radical Islam.
download here: http://www.twq.com/05winter/docs/05winter_haqqani.pdf
=================
He is just like this stupid writer and ready to sell-off our Pakistan which was created for Islam.
we should be proud of journalists like ibrahim sajid and hussain haqqani. if our country has any hope of rebounding it is because of people like these.
@Tariq Qureshi,
The things that you’ve mentioned (“lets burn down the remaining mosques in the US, why not … yaaahhh … lets ransack the muslim homes even more, why not … yaahhh … lets rip her off of her hijaab, the muslim lady that is on our campus”) are already happening in Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine and now even in Pakistan. Your only concern is your own selfish American Life! Ask the Muslims that are suffering in these countries at the hands of these american soldiers. Sooner or later they will do it you as well, unless you stand up to them and let them know that we are not people who can be messed with. We know how to fight back!
@Malik Rashid
Mr Malik, you just can’t seem to see what is happening in Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Chechnya, Sudan, Somalia. All you care about is your “Comfortable and better quality life” in the US. How selfish! There is no persecution in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia, maybe for people like you, who have no morals, no values but their only concern is Money and Selfishness! If you fear for your life so much go back to Pakistan.
Either you live as an American Muslim “Third graded citizen” harrassed everywhere after events like Fort Hood and 9/11, or go back to Pakistan or Saudi Arabia and live a nice life practicing Islam.
@Zak
Yet Christian imams ask us to forgive and follow peace. ”
“The #1 persecutor, murderer, rapist, imprisoner and torturer of Christians in the world are Muslims
I think you live on Pluto! Get your stats and your facts right!
“The majority of Muslims in Afghanistan were being oppressed by a minority of Muslims there – the Taliban. They will only accept a very strict Muslim theology which makes almost anything illegal”
Absolutely wrong again. What a stupid point. Just a handful of people were able to control the whole of Afghanistan and suppress them and everyone was against them and yet the superpower of the time is unable to Control even Kabul. You can only conrol a country if you have the support of the people. That’s what the Taliban had. If US had the support of the people do you think it would be getting such a sound beating by Taliban right now? Hah! Dude, stop watching CNN and FoX news! There is a thing called “Internet”. Go online and find the facts!
The biggest hypocrite and the biggest oppresser is US. Who used atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Muslims? Who killed millions in Vietnam? Muslims? Who killed millions of children in Iraq by putting sanctions? Muslims? By the way who killed thousands of Jews in world war 2? Muslims? Was Hitler a Muslim? Interesting Question… Who invaded Iraq and Afghanistan Illegally? Muslims?
Everyone has the right to defend himslef. That is what Taliban are doing in Afghanistan, Mujahideen in Kashmir, Palestine, Chechnya, Somalia. If christians are persecuted somewhere they have the right to defend themselves we totally agree.! But try to understand, in today’s times, who is the persecutor and the persecuted.