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  1. mushahid
    mushahid September 30, 2009 at 5:54 pm |

    Dear Mr. Rashid- Pakistan army is capable of protecting it’s borders. We don’t need your recommendations- thanks. We don’t need drones and blackwater. and we don’t need traitors like you who only point out bad things about our country.

    Pakistan was much better under Musharaf. Everyone agrees in Pakistan that our Generals are better leaders than corrupt politicians.

    Democracy is overrated. Do you know all major military occupiers in this world are democracies: India occupies Kashmir, Israel occupies Palestine and America occupies Iraq and Afghanistan. Please stop preaching us about democracy.

  2. faisal
    faisal October 1, 2009 at 10:51 am |

    this article is crap and the author dont know a thing about pakistan his perception is full of animosity and hatred towards pakistan plz do a proper research and then some valid conclusion these type of articles are damaging pakistan image and future plz stop these kind of baseless speeches.

  3. Malik Rashid
    Malik Rashid October 1, 2009 at 1:02 pm |

    Dear Mr.Mushahid
    Thanks for your response. I am sure many Pakistanis do not agree with your fancy for the army as rulers of Pakistan. The common Pakistani, a poor person is dis-posessed, humiliated and brutalised even after 33 years of military rule of the country. Socially, english-speaking babus consider themselves above commoners. The people did not have any participation in affairs of governance because some think they are illiterate so incapable to think. Baluchistan has been ruled like occupied territory. Killing those who want people’s participation in governance and resources of the land has been a hallmark of Pakistan establishment/military. Lately the US-military contractors have been brought in to finish off the al-qaeda in FATA and the establishment lousily defends itself by saying they would not allow the territorial integrity breached. After subjugating and oppressing the people for a very long time, the distrust between Pakistan army and their US patrons has pushed a General out of power. There is a democracy in place run by the feudal lords and other politicians who have been the friends of army. If this democracy continues the people could vote the thugs out of politics and have some of their problems addressed. Removing the military from power in Pakistan could begin now. Hopefully someday every Pakistani would live with dignity without fearing for military making their family members disappear or the feudal lords forcefully taking their daughters as sex-slaves.

  4. zubair ali
    zubair ali October 1, 2009 at 6:57 pm |

    Faisal and mushahid, you do not represent popular opinion in pakistan. Malik Rashid does.

  5. Junaid
    Junaid October 2, 2009 at 1:41 am |

    I think the writer has pointed out a crucial issue…Yes indeed Pakistan Army is a potential one and they are capable of everything but cant we see that do our politician do whts their responsibilities are..?Its all coz of these politician who are not sincere with the country and in result of which Law enforcement agencies gets roam to interveen in the civil matters..

  6. Muhammad Shemyal Nisar
    Muhammad Shemyal Nisar October 2, 2009 at 5:59 am |

    I agree with mushahid on many of his point include the point that he mentions that democracy is over-rated.

    As far as the popular opinion in Pakistan is concerned the common man is just interested in having food on his table and having a respectable job to work at. he does not care if it is a democracy or a military dictatorship. this food he was more accessible for him under musharaf regime than it now.

    We must give credit for anything that anyone has done good when we sit down to criticise them. I disagree with musharaf on many policy issues but he was more successful in getting employment for people and making food relatively more accessible for them.

  7. M. Najeeb
    M. Najeeb October 2, 2009 at 6:40 am |

    I think the author is not really aware of internal politics of pakistani bureaucracy… I am very much in contact with several important offices of the pakistani bureaucracy and the armed forces… I have heard everyone complain more in this “Democracy ” than in the past dictatorship…
    It could be said that there simply was more money before and no money now. But we all know that money spent really shows… it showed in the general’s period but its not visible anywhere anymore…
    As far as America is concerned please don’t be confused they only see their own interests … they don’t care about anything else…
    Democracy is just a slogan… i has always been (and is) the right of the powerful and rich to rule over the others… no common man runs in elections.. not in Pakistan, not in Europe, not in America…

  8. Muhammad Shemyal Nisar
    Muhammad Shemyal Nisar October 2, 2009 at 6:45 am |

    I agree with Mr. M.Najeeb

    Democracy is just a slogan and we would be too naive to think that Democracy exists in western societies. they are highly controlled societies I have lived there long enough to understand this fact. There is no democracy even in America or in Europe.

  9. Malik Rashid
    Malik Rashid October 2, 2009 at 8:03 am |

    I do not see another political system that could replace liberal democracy. There is no doubting the fact that class structures breed oligarchy in democratic setup. However Chavez in Venezuela and some others are living example of the fact that the same democratic system could bring non-elite to power. This could be achieved by political participation, education and organizing of the poor.

  10. Muhammad Shemyal Nisar
    Muhammad Shemyal Nisar October 2, 2009 at 9:53 am |

    @ Malik Rashid

    I am really sorry to say that you live in a fool’s paradise.(No Offence)

    The whole point is that no matter which ever the political system anywhere can be made to perform extremely efficiently and at the same time the same system can be made to perform in worst of the ways. It is the people who are using the system is what matters.

    If people are not corrupt any system will give best of the results while if people are corrupt no political system will give results. What needs to be improved upon is the moral standards of people and the system will not matter an ounce.

    Therefore, it in turn does also mean that neither democracy nor dictatorship are worth fighting for, it is the goals and principles for which wars are fought. I have never heard more off a bull-shit comment than “Died for Democracy”. I this is just used to move emotions of people in favour of those who have vested interests in the wars.

  11. Malik Rashid
    Malik Rashid October 2, 2009 at 10:37 am |

    Mr. Shemyal Nisar
    The argument that dictatorship could build an efficient state could be demolished by the collapse of Soviet Union and re-vitalised by the example of China. However the Chinese communist leadership is looking for ways to incorporate democracy under a socialist rule. Lack of individual liberty could be a factor in the collapse of Soviet Union and similar aspiration of the Chinese people could lead to democratization. Democracy is important for participation of the people in governance specially when there are deep-rooted divisions and complaints. Military dictatorship with all its brutality failed to eliminate the Baluch movement. Inclusive democracy could address such issues. Brazil is a shining example of democrtic process shedding-off traditional hierarchy at the top. Democracy is a tool of governance with many imperfections but inclusiveness and participation is an exercise in social development of a people unlike dictatorship that tends to stunt social-growth by excluding them from decision making. Peace.

  12. Jawad
    Jawad October 2, 2009 at 1:31 pm |

    Reading this article was pretty much a waste of time. I think people like the author and other proponents of democracy sitting comfortably in their arm-chairs need to go out and feel the pain of the masses.

    They should open their eyes and see the black and white difference between democratic rule in Pakistan and Musharraf’s 8 years, during which unparalleled development took place in Pakistan. During this time not once have I heard Musharraf say that we needed foreign aid or donations from the IMF to run the country, contrary to that, unprecedented projects were initiated including the telecom industry, new TV channels, dams and educational institutions.

    It may be true that democracy can grow and make a system work, but only if on a distant planet like Mars, where it is free from foreign intervention. Democracy-mongerers in Pakistan forget that there is a country called the U.S in this world that is wrecking havoc all around and makes sure its plans are implemented in the guise of democracy. If only people wake-up to this fact, we may have a chance of surviving the New World Order…

  13. arshad
    arshad October 2, 2009 at 9:39 pm |

    @mushahid:

    Pakistan was not better under Musharraf. He was a curse and is a curse for Pakistan. How can he be better than politicians? He sold people of Pakistan. What would have been your observation regarding him if Dr. Afia was your daughter? Missing persons phenomenon appeared in Musharraf’s era. People like you should realize the realities. I am not a fan of present government or that of Shujaat or Sharif, but the fact remains that they all are still better than Musharraf, Zia or Ayub or Yahya.

  14. Muhammad Shemyal Nisar
    Muhammad Shemyal Nisar October 3, 2009 at 4:01 am |

    @ Malik Rashid

    I never argued that dictatorship can give an efficient state. I said any form of governemnt can give an efficient state if the people are honest to the state. It does not matter what form of government it is.

    Secondly, can you give me one example in the world where democracy is functioning? NO, because it is not functioning anywhere in the world. even in those states which are said to saviours of democracy. These are just empty slogans.

    Not to mention what my friend Sigmund Freud said: “Democracy can never give a stable government and hence the state.”

    As far as Baloch problem is concerned it is a perfect example of political opportunism. I agree that there are grievances of the people as well but the main reason is political opportunism and heavy involvement from India, Afghanistan, Israel and US.

    @Mushahid

    Instead of making empty claims that the democratic periods were better it would be highly appreciated if you could substantiate your claims because I am affraid statistics tell otherwise. As far selling of national pride is concerned, I think you would agree that present democratic government has broken all past record of subordination to US and compromising the national pride. The drone attack are still being pursued by Americans on our territories and this regime has made an addition to the previous problems by introduction of Blackwaters in the streets of Islamabad. Hail this democracy.

    I think it is high time for you to come out of state of mind that only democracy will solve our problems, any system of government will work if people in the system will work honestly plus will remain honest to the state.

  15. Muqtida Ahsan Siddiqui
    Muqtida Ahsan Siddiqui October 3, 2009 at 4:06 am |

    If Musharaff sold the people of Pakistan what do you call the current “democratic” government. For the assholes who think that Pakistan would have survived the Axis of evil differentiation point back in 2001. Wake up! We had nothing back then, yeah today we could have fended off India’s animosity but that was the reason why Musharaff was ousted. They want a f****d up Pakistan like ganja and 10% represent, not one that can withstand the test of time.

  16. Malik Rashid
    Malik Rashid October 3, 2009 at 5:02 am |

    Shemyal Nisar
    I think democracy is necessary for existence of Pakistan. Only democracy has the potential to turn Pakistan into a liveable, dignified state. This potential cannot be materialized without deliberate efforts. Accepting grievances of the Baluch and accusing them as forein agents does not reflect much understanding of the problem.

  17. Khalid Mumtaz Ansari
    Khalid Mumtaz Ansari October 27, 2009 at 1:09 pm |

    The key element for the exixtense of a vibrant state is the participation of the people. After all governments are only supposed to act for furthering the interests of the ‘people’. Unfortunately democracy in Pakistan is akin to what we are seeing under UN observation in Afghanistan today. I wonder what the results would be in Pakistan if a real election was held by honest people. The current state of elections is a selection by any standards.The official corruption has reached such a state that even a census cannot be conducted! The solution would be an election which is actually free and fair. There is no other substitute to human dignity and progress.

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